Gabe Davis released

[nuklz2594]

nope. epitome of famous quote....what we have here, is a failure to communicate....cool hand luke

[Kaenon]

The continuing trend of players leaving Buffalo's system and not doing much of anything.

 

Goes to show you how much of an MVP Allen really is. Should win it every season, lol.

[ProcessTruster]

don't really care.  we are set at WR.   so, whatever.   we are trying to get faster with guys who can seperate; Gabe can't do either

[We Billieve #1]

No thanks...  There's a reason Beane let him go... he should go play with Diggs in NE... 🤪

[FLFan]

10 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Where do you get this sh!t? Gabe was a lot of things but lazy is not one of them. And this is coming from someone who doesn’t want Gabe back

Beane and McDermott in fact both praised his work ethic.  That is certainly not his issue.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

nope. epitome of famous quote....what we have here, is a failure to communicate....cool hand luke

How does that apply? What are we miss communicating on? The guy went to get more money and it didn’t work out. Nobody ever works out for them. The jaguars destroy careers. If I was Hunter I’d be very concerned. He will be a bust because of the team he went to. Gabe can fit into a role we really missed out on here. The downfield passing attack. He was a very good bill and a great locker room guy. Absolutely bring him back 

[Mat68]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

One - there is 0% chance to be WR3.  Our top 3 guys are without question Keon, Palmer, and Shakir.  Only injuries could change that.  
 

Two - We aren’t likely keeping 6 WR, and if we do it would be to keep a ST player only like Shenault as a returner. Especially with all the new guys brought in for the secondary and DL.  So to bring him means at least Moore would be gone.
 

He would be a backup here playing more as a WR4/5 with Samuel at best.  And we still have Kincaid and the RBs (who all 3 RBs catch and made up 20% of Allen’s target last year).  That means Davis would be coming here for a role that is destined for 10-30 catches at best without injuries creating more opportunities.  
 

Do you really think Davis is going to choose that minimal role over a team where he could compete to start or at least be an actual WR3?  Seems less likely to me than him going to a team with a bigger need and potential role like Giants, Steelers, Pats, Ravens, Sea, SF, etc.  

 

1. Injuries are always a factor in football.  
 

2.  Moore has earned nothing.  His signing is similar to Dane Jackson at db.  He wins a job or doesn't.  
 

2a. Davis was most efficient and effective in the wr 4 role early in his career.  Can back up multiple positions and is suited for the dirty aspects of the position Samuel, Moore and even Shakir are not.  Ideally, Coleman takes that over.  Again Coleman has to prove it.

 

Im not saying this is the best situation for Gabe.  Im looking at is a fan of the Bills.  I would ask Gabe is 30 catches from Josh Allen passes equal or better than 50 catches from any Giants Qb or any Pittsburgh Qb?  I think an argument could be made they are.  If any of Coleman, Shakir or Palmer don't make the progress we hope Davis has produced with Allen.  Samuel and Moore are anything but sure things at this point. In football competition rises the floor.  Davis puts everyone in the room in an earn it mind set.  How as a Bills fan is that not a good thing?  No one is going to pay him more than 11 mil.  Thats what he is making from Jacksonville so he would be on a minimum deal from Buffalo while Jax covers the other 10 mil.  Maybe Gabe is shot from the injuries and doesnt make it.  Its cost the Bills nothing. 

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

He’s go good that the jags decided not to take on his 6.9M cap hit.  They’d rather eat 20M in dead cap to get rid of him.  Basically gave him 1 year 39m.  🤣 

 

His total payout was not 39 million--it was basically his guarantee 24.7.  But yes, by all means lets look to the JAGS as the standard fro FA signings (or any FO competence at all), lol.  Tebow! Bortles! Foles!

 

Bills carried 30 million to get rid of Diggs.  

 

 

[JP51]

I am in the been there done that crowd... did not like his last year here in terms of being that true 2... maybe because he was injured... Bills didnt think he warranted that money... Jags did... off he goes... did not see anything last year with Jags to make me think his last year with the Bills was an aberration... maybe because he was injured...   I just don't see how revisiting Gabe changes what I have seen in the past two years...  that said... they bring him back on a Super low prove it deal to compete... almost like they did Tre...  I am certainly not going to complain... I am nostalgic to a fault... just a fault of mine... maybe he works out maybe he doesnt.. but the thought of committing even solid money to him as a player... I am not sure you get the juice out of that squeeze, I would look to deploy that cash capital elsewhere because I dont think he changes you WR room a ton... he certainly isnt the speedster I think he is more in the Shakir mold...  maybe with a bit of Coleman down field with contested catches...  Bottom line I am not rooting for this... but for the right money sure give him a kick at it and see what happens... but I wouldnt wrap up guaranteed money... so, I think this means if you do get him he will test the market a bit and if he is not getting bites he may be back.. 

[Alphadawg7]

58 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

 

1. Injuries are always a factor in football.  
 

2.  Moore has earned nothing.  His signing is similar to Dane Jackson at db.  He wins a job or doesn't.  
 

2a. Davis was most efficient and effective in the wr 4 role early in his career.  Can back up multiple positions and is suited for the dirty aspects of the position Samuel, Moore and even Shakir are not.  Ideally, Coleman takes that over.  Again Coleman has to prove it.

 

Im not saying this is the best situation for Gabe.  Im looking at is a fan of the Bills.  I would ask Gabe is 30 catches from Josh Allen passes equal or better than 50 catches from any Giants Qb or any Pittsburgh Qb?  I think an argument could be made they are.  If any of Coleman, Shakir or Palmer don't make the progress we hope Davis has produced with Allen.  Samuel and Moore are anything but sure things at this point. In football competition rises the floor.  Davis puts everyone in the room in an earn it mind set.  How as a Bills fan is that not a good thing?  No one is going to pay him more than 11 mil.  Thats what he is making from Jacksonville so he would be on a minimum deal from Buffalo while Jax covers the other 10 mil.  Maybe Gabe is shot from the injuries and doesnt make it.  Its cost the Bills nothing. 

Im not arguing against bringing him in…Ive said since my first post I am good bringing him back, I only don’t like him as a starter to depend on, but depth I’m good with it.  
 

What I am saying is it makes little sense for Gabe, really no sense, if he’s got opportunities to be WR2/3 elsewhere because he’s not going to get much action here to reset his career and look for a next contract.  Not to mention, any contract he gets here is also going to be much smaller and probably just 1 year.  
 

So as I said before, it feels unlikely for the main reason that we don’t have a consistent role for him here unless someone gets hurt.  And at this stage of his career I would think he’s more focused on re-establishing himself again as more than just a depth player.  Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I would think would in the best interest of his career and future earnings.
 

But if his market is cold, teams aren’t offering much better of an opportunity, then sure I can see coming back here being more attractive especially to try and get a ring (although Bills still have to be interested too).  I just expect several teams to be interested that offer him a bigger chance to compete for a lot more targets.

[Brand J]

I remember when I feared losing Gabe Davis to free agency because the FO might try to prioritize re-signing Tremaine Edmunds. Fun times. 

[RyanC883]

If he is okay with a WR #5 role or whatever, I'd be on board (assuming he can play ST).  We all assume that the current WR room stays healthy.  I hope it does, but if we hit injuries, Gabe Davis coming off the bench is likely much better than what most teams have.  

17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Im not arguing against bringing him in…Ive said since my first post I am good bringing him back, I only don’t like him as a starter to depend on, but depth I’m good with it.  
 

What I am saying is it makes little sense for Gabe, really no sense, if he’s got opportunities to be WR2/3 elsewhere because he’s not going to get much action here to reset his career and look for a next contract.  Not to mention, any contract he gets here is also going to be much smaller and probably just 1 year.  
 

So as I said before, it feels unlikely for the main reason that we don’t have a consistent role for him here unless someone gets hurt.  And at this stage of his career I would think he’s more focused on re-establishing himself again as more than just a depth player.  Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I would think would in the best interest of his career and future earnings.
 

But if his market is cold, teams aren’t offering much better of an opportunity, then sure I can see coming back here being more attractive especially to try and get a ring (although Bills still have to be interested too).  I just expect several teams to be interested that offer him a bigger chance to compete for a lot more targets.

 

Agree with this.  Bills side: bring him in as depth.  Other teams may want to bring him in, but will it be enough money for him?  Would the Steelers do it now that they need a WR2?  If the pay is comporable, he likely goes to be a #2.  But if he is a 3 somewhere, being 5 here may be more appealing to get his stats back up.  

[Alphadawg7]

Gabe Davis was our WR2 and now many of you want to bring him back as our WR5 (which I am fine with if they do).  And yet somehow to many of those same people have been yelling non stop that we haven't improved the WR room the past 2 years even though our former WR2 would be a WR5 here now? 

 

Um...ok.  lol

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Alphadawg7

[RoscoeParrish]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Gabe Davis was our WR2 and now many of you want to bring him back as our WR5 (which I am fine with if they do).  And yet somehow to many of those same people have been yelling non stop that we haven't improved the WR room the past 2 years even though our former WR2 would be a WR5 here now? 

 

Um...ok.  lol

 

I don’t think Brandon Beane would envision a Gabe reunion as adding a WR5. Jmo.

[Mat68]

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Im not arguing against bringing him in…Ive said since my first post I am good bringing him back, I only don’t like him as a starter to depend on, but depth I’m good with it.  
 

What I am saying is it makes little sense for Gabe, really no sense, if he’s got opportunities to be WR2/3 elsewhere because he’s not going to get much action here to reset his career and look for a next contract.  Not to mention, any contract he gets here is also going to be much smaller and probably just 1 year.  
 

So as I said before, it feels unlikely for the main reason that we don’t have a consistent role for him here unless someone gets hurt.  And at this stage of his career I would think he’s more focused on re-establishing himself again as more than just a depth player.  Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I would think would in the best interest of his career and future earnings.
 

But if his market is cold, teams aren’t offering much better of an opportunity, then sure I can see coming back here being more attractive especially to try and get a ring (although Bills still have to be interested too).  I just expect several teams to be interested that offer him a bigger chance to compete for a lot more targets.

Im looking from the Bills perspective.  Unless Allen says no (miscommunication issues) I think it’s an easy answer.  Gabe may have better options but rooting against it is bizarre to me.  The lowlights for Palmer, Moore, Samuel, Coleman, Shakir are not great either.  Not sure any of them have better highlights than Davis. The whole flip on him is very odd.  

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I don’t think Brandon Beane would envision a Gabe reunion as adding a WR5. Jmo.

No different than bringing in White.  Yeas past getting Lawson and Phillips on the cheap.  They were solid rotational pieces on the dline.  I think Davis would be that at wr. Not the primary target but will make his fair share of plays.  

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

His $11m guaranteed this year from Jacksonville has offsets so we could pay him the vet minimum ($1.17m) and Jacksonville has to foot the rest of the bill.  There's no incentive for Gabe to sign above the vet minimum.  The question now just becomes if both sides are interested in a reunion.

 

Other teams may offer Gabe more than vet minimum.  He can decide where to go.  He may want a team that can offer a higher snap count.

I'm sure anywhere he signs will have incentives included.

[RoscoeParrish]

11 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

No different than bringing in White.  Yeas past getting Lawson and Phillips on the cheap.  They were solid rotational pieces on the dline.  I think Davis would be that at wr. Not the primary target but will make his fair share of plays.  

Oh no I’m sorry I wasn’t clear.

 

I was responding to @Alphadawg7’s assertion that bringing back Gabe as a WR5 means the WR’s are much better. 
 

The issue with that comment is that it conflates the opinions of the fans with the opinion of the GM.

 

Brandon Beane clearly felt like Gabe Davis was good enough to be a WR2 two years ago. He may even still today, there’s some reporting in this topic of how much he loved Gabe.

 

I didn’t love Gabe much at all. I thought he was a limited boundary WR with questionable hands but big game potential. And at the time he walked, I didn’t want the Bills to keep him and Diggs.

 

I’m not sure Beane felt the same way, but arrived at the same conclusion of letting him walk. And a year later, signed a similar player in Palmer in that role. 

 

So, in conclusion, I would take Gabe Davis back in a reduced rotational role because l didn’t think he was good enough as a full time WR2 but I think you can do far worse, and I’m not convinced that anyone on the depth chart not named Shakir is definitively much better and suspect that some of them may be much worse.
 

I’m not sure if the Bills and Beane agree. Beane may think Gabe should be our #1 boundary WR target by a mile. I think that would be a mistake.

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Other teams may offer Gabe more than vet minimum.  He can decide where to go.  He may want a team that can offer a higher snap count.

I'm sure anywhere he signs will have incentives included.

I think his point was that a team offering Gabe $10M this season wouldn’t change how much Gabe makes this season.

Edited 43 minutes ago by RoscoeParrish

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Gabe Davis was our WR2 and now many of you want to bring him back as our WR5 (which I am fine with if they do).  And yet somehow to many of those same people have been yelling non stop that we haven't improved the WR room the past 2 years even though our former WR2 would be a WR5 here now? 

 

Um...ok.  lol

 

 

 

Gabe Davis was a failure as a WR2 in Buffalo and a disaster as WR2 in Jacksonville.

 

Bad hands, a route tree that got figured out quickly once they handed him the job, a propensity for mental errors that resulted in a ton of interceptions and critical incompletions in key moments after he became the starter.   Wrong way Gabe.

 

On top of that Gabe Davis finished his career in Buffalo injured and left Jacksonville injured.   You act like he's healthy in his prime and hasn't put two straight years of sh!t on tape.  

 

If it's hard for you to understand you haven't thought it thru.

 

What they need are WR1 and WR2 types.    

 

They failed to get that done but in lieu of that the logical thing to do was to draft someone on day 2 or early day 3 to develop on a 4 year rookie contract so they don't have to keep overspending for Curtis Samuel and Josh Palmer types in perpetuity.

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Other teams may offer Gabe more than vet minimum.  He can decide where to go.  He may want a team that can offer a higher snap count.

I'm sure anywhere he signs will have incentives included.

Unless they pay him more than $11m it doesn't matter how much another team pays below that.  The Jaguars have to pay the rest of his $11m guaranteed.  Pittsburgh only had to pay the veteran minimum for Wilson last year ($1.2m).  The Broncos had to foot the rest of the bill and pay $37.9m to get to his guaranteed salary of $39m.