Ladd McConkey

[dollars 2 donuts]

On 2/14/2025 at 6:05 PM, 3rdand12 said:

Should we expect McBeanes to take care of this problem this year ? and how ? I think we all agree its in the top 3 priorities

Some one mentioned Higgins wouldn't come here to play in Brady's offense...
 Well that leaves out Adams etc.

Whats the solution when Bills need an impact player outside the Ravens will respect ?

 

On 8/13/2025 at 9:23 PM, finn said:

First I head anything like this. Is Brady's offense somehow unappealing to some receivers? If so, how? 

 

On 8/14/2025 at 8:21 AM, DCofNC said:

Unappealing to all WRs so far, it’s 50% run plays and no one alpha gets all the targets.  Why would any WR want to come here and lose Money for themselves?

 

 

Absolutely, positively what DC said, and if we start doing some mathing and some simple logic we can kind of see why an already surly Diggs got surlier.

 

Apparently, the logic at One Bills Drive all along was if you have a GOAT under center instead of having a second all pro WR why not just have no all pros and let everybody eat.

 

BTW, it hasn't come up recently but did it over the summer...can we throw away the posts that claimed that this Bills team was better than the 4 Super Bowl team, if for no other reason than that team was prancing along with not one, but two future Hall of Famers just at the WR position and this team has no WR in any danger of even being a pro bowl alternate.

 

We were 13-4 last year, running up 30 point games and I will die on the hill that I was never that impressed and I could have not only lived with no Brady after the season, but for the first time ever I felt the inkling that McBeane as a tandem had to prove something to me for them to stay.

 

...just an inkling, mind you.  Nothing knee jerk yet.

 

Go Bills.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by dollars 2 donuts

[Billl]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

 

He’s jUsT a slOt gUy 

 

 

McConkey is a stud, but this chart is meaningless.  Roman Wilson is a complete bust to this point, and he charts as elite.

[oldmanfan]

Do teams regret not drafting Shakir earlier every time he has a good game?  Or Cook? Or Kincaid?  And on.  And on.  And on.  You can play this kind of hindsight game with virtually any player in the league, so I don’t get it myself.

[dollars 2 donuts]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Do teams regret not drafting Shakir earlier every time he has a good game?  Or Cook? Or Kincaid?  And on.  And on.  And on.  You can play this kind of hindsight game with virtually any player in the league, so I don’t get it myself.

 

 

The are really good players, OMF, and actually great at times.

 

...but no, I don't think they regret it.  They think it would be nice, but I doubt they regret it.  

 

I wanted Ladd, badly, regardless of the similarity to other players.

 

...I wanted DK Metcalf, as well.  

 

Neither of these were hindsight. 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by dollars 2 donuts

[Blank Stare]

This team stinks at WR evaluations and commitment. Same with defensive line, though I still think Groot has growth left to realize in his game (i.e., mostly on the consistency side vs anything additional athletically), and, like Kramer, may have fallen ass backwards into money with the Deonte Walker pick. 

[CNYfan]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Do teams regret not drafting Shakir earlier every time he has a good game?  Or Cook? Or Kincaid?  And on.  And on.  And on.  You can play this kind of hindsight game with virtually any player in the league, so I don’t get it myself.

I think there was a Wide Receiver thread that spanned from the combine to the night of the draft.  This thread was stuffed with statistics, scouting reports and videos of the top 10 to 12 WRS in that talented draft. 

The consensus was "don't draft Coleman".     People had their favorites but it was near unanimous that Keon couldn't separate, was slow and had only fair hands catching.   My memory is, and it was certainly my opinion, that Buffalo should not draft Coleman.

That is why presently most posters are so upset, whether it be by Worthy or McConkey.

Edited 12 hours ago by CNYfan

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

This team stinks at WR evaluations and commitment. Same with defensive line, though I still think Groot has growth left to realize in his game (i.e., mostly on the consistency side vs anything additional athletically), and, like Kramer, may have fallen ass backwards into money with the Deonte Walker pick. 

 

Dear Blank Stare,

 

You have no idea what you are talking about.  You are out of your depth, so you should just avoid commenting.

 

Good Day.

 

Sincerely,

 

Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones

 

😁

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I think there was a Wide Receiver thread that spanned from the combine to the night of the draft.  This thread was stuffed with statistics, scouting reports and videos of the top 10 to 1 WRS in that talented draft. 

The consensus was "don't draft Coleman".     People had their favorites but it was near unanimous that Keon couldn't separate, was slow and had only fair hands catching.   My memory is, and it was certainly my opinion, that Buffalo should not draft Coleman.

That is why presently, most posters are so upset, whether it be by Worthy or McConkey.

 

CNY, yep.  

 

Absolutely.

 

[Walking Tall]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not "just" a slot guy. But he IS a slot guy. He is at 63% slot percentage again this year and his production is slanted towards the slot again as well. He isn't Khalil Shakir (who is JUST a slot guy) he can play snaps for you outside, but can't play as a down in and down out outside receiver. The Chargers tried to use him outside a little more earlier in the year and his production dipped. 

I don’t give a damn if his production “dipped” while he was slotted outside. Without looking, I bet it’s still amazingly better than Keon Coleman’s production on the outside.. 

[Brandon]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Do teams regret not drafting Shakir earlier every time he has a good game?  Or Cook? Or Kincaid?  And on.  And on.  And on.  You can play this kind of hindsight game with virtually any player in the league, so I don’t get it myself.

 

It's not hindsight if my position has been consistent from the 2024 draft process until now.  I was sold on drafting McConkey for about a month prior to the draft.  

[DCOrange]

30 minutes ago, Billl said:

McConkey is a stud, but this chart is meaningless.  Roman Wilson is a complete bust to this point, and he charts as elite.

I wouldn't say meaningless, but yeah, everyone knew Coleman's metrics were terrible in college; the idea was that he could turn into a difference maker despite not being one in the moment. These are the same types of charts that everyone used to argue that Josh Allen shouldn't have been anywhere near the first round.

 

Would also point out Xavier Worthy and Jalen McMillan, two guys that people have argued we should have drafted, are also in the bottom left corner with Keon.

[KOKBILLS]

McConkey lining up outside and just roasting the CB for a 27 yd TD pass last night...

Bills fans who know...

[BuffaloBillyG]

35 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I think there was a Wide Receiver thread that spanned from the combine to the night of the draft.  This thread was stuffed with statistics, scouting reports and videos of the top 10 to 12 WRS in that talented draft. 

The consensus was "don't draft Coleman".     People had their favorites but it was near unanimous that Keon couldn't separate, was slow and had only fair hands catching.   My memory is, and it was certainly my opinion, that Buffalo should not draft Coleman.

That is why presently most posters are so upset, whether it be by Worthy or McConkey.

I agree with you. I remember a lot of people on the "anyone but Coleman" wagon. I was one of them as well. 

 

The problem, I believe, was that there was one person that not only wasn't on the "No Coleman" wagon...but he led the Coleman Please train. And that was Josh Allen. For whatever reason, Allen wanted him and when he was there when we picked Beane made his QB happy. In my own mind, Beane not wanting to rock the boat with Josh is what led to him trading back twice. I believe he was hoping someone else would grab Coleman.

[Billl]

14 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I wouldn't say meaningless, but yeah, everyone knew Coleman's metrics were terrible in college; the idea was that he could turn into a difference maker despite not being one in the moment. These are the same types of charts that everyone used to argue that Josh Allen shouldn't have been anywhere near the first round.

 

Would also point out Xavier Worthy and Jalen McMillan, two guys that people have argued we should have drafted, are also in the bottom left corner with Keon.

It’s 100% meaningless.  There is literally zero value in this chart.  You want proof?  Take a look at Cornelius Johnson on the center left.  He’s never played a snap in the NFL.  Tahj Washington is next to Malik Nabors.  Tahj has played 3 career snaps and has never recorded a stat.  This chart has no value whatsoever.

Edited 11 hours ago by Billl

[zow2]

It's laughable in hindsight,  not picking Ladd was such a swing and miss, that Beane corkscrewed himself into the earth.

[Brandon]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree with you. I remember a lot of people on the "anyone but Coleman" wagon. I was one of them as well. 

 

The problem, I believe, was that there was one person that not only wasn't on the "No Coleman" wagon...but he led the Coleman Please train. And that was Josh Allen. For whatever reason, Allen wanted him and when he was there when we picked Beane made his QB happy. In my own mind, Beane not wanting to rock the boat with Josh is what led to him trading back twice. I believe he was hoping someone else would grab Coleman.

 

Agreed,  and I said it at the time,  but this is why the QB should not have direct influence over draft picks.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Walking Tall said:

I don’t give a damn if his production “dipped” while he was slotted outside. Without looking, I bet it’s still amazingly better than Keon Coleman’s production on the outside.. 

 

I'm not here defending Keon. I am on record as thinking he was a bad pick. You can read my scouting reports on him from before the slow combine let alone before the Bills picked him. He was one of the first players I watched in January 2024 when I started my process for that draft and every game I put the film of on I ended up knocking his grade down even further. But if you think you could draft Ladd McConkey and use him primarily as an X, that's for the birds.

Edited 11 hours ago by GunnerBill

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree with you. I remember a lot of people on the "anyone but Coleman" wagon. I was one of them as well. 

 

The problem, I believe, was that there was one person that not only wasn't on the "No Coleman" wagon...but he led the Coleman Please train. And that was Josh Allen. For whatever reason, Allen wanted him and when he was there when we picked Beane made his QB happy. In my own mind, Beane not wanting to rock the boat with Josh is what led to him trading back twice. I believe he was hoping someone else would grab Coleman.

What evidence do you have of this?  

[Brandon]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

What evidence do you have of this?  

 

If memory serves,  Beane asked Allen which WR he wanted and Allen said Coleman.  I think Beane confirmed that in one of the post draft press conferences. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Brandon

[tigerthelion]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree with you. I remember a lot of people on the "anyone but Coleman" wagon. I was one of them as well. 

 

The problem, I believe, was that there was one person that not only wasn't on the "No Coleman" wagon...but he led the Coleman Please train. And that was Josh Allen. For whatever reason, Allen wanted him and when he was there when we picked Beane made his QB happy. In my own mind, Beane not wanting to rock the boat with Josh is what led to him trading back twice. I believe he was hoping someone else would grab Coleman.

You could be right, but  I have my doubts about Josh Allen banging the table for him.  I would say that it is more likely that the Buffalo media team were trying to sell Coleman to the fanbase, and Josh went along with it (and maybe even convinced himself that Keon was gonna be great after the pick was made).   It's possible that he really wanted Keon, but I think it's more probable that after the pick was made, there was a full on team media push that Keon was gonna be great and he was handpicked by Josh Allen, etc....

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Brandon said:

 

If memory serves,  Beane asked Allen which WR he wanted and Allen said Coleman.  

And your evidence that this mattered in Bean making the pick is?  Sure AFTER they drafted Coleman word got out that Allen "wanted" Coleman.  What else was Allen supposed to say?  

 

Now did Allen talk to McBean about getting a big physical WR that could open up the boundary and turn 50/50 balls into 80/20?  That I could buy. But whether Bean traded the pick to sign a vet or move up in the draft as opposed to moving down to secure Coleman was all on Bean.  There were a number of ways Bean could have secured what Allen likely expressed an interest in getting at WR.