Warriorspikes51 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 MVS despite his flaws is absolutely an upgrade from Sherfield being on the field 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Just now, JerseyBills said: MVS had a solid 22 season and was the back to back SB winners WR2/3 He'll be our WR 4/5 and paying him 80% less, I like the move alot, add more competition for the final 3 WR spots, see who rises to the top and we can cut the others with no strain on the cap.. Yeah MVS is washed up but him being a complementary piece isn't the issue. The issue is not having a WR1 or even an established, proven WR2. How it pertains to MVS is that the strategy appears to be "hoping" that 4 veteran receivers who are all coming off seasons where their season's production declined will combine with a low usage vet and second round pick to "in-aggregate" be a sustitute for Diggs and Davis and then some. As has been said before...........hope is not a strategy. 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: Regardless of what you were replying to your point that the HC was willing to lean on his defense is completely wrong. They were attempting the exact opposite by trying to win it with no time left. So trying to score a TD with 1:55 or so left on the clock was trying to win it with no time left? Wtf are you talking about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah MVS is washed up but him being a complementary piece isn't the issue. The issue is not having a WR1 or even an established, proven WR2. How it pertains to MVS is that the strategy appears to be "hoping" that 4 veteran receivers who are all coming off seasons where their season's production declined will combine with a low usage vet and second round pick to "in-aggregate" be a sustitute for Diggs and Davis and then some. As has been said before...........hope is not a strategy. So trying to score a TD with 1:55 or so left on the clock was trying to win it with no time left? Wtf are you talking about? I like our WR room if Coleman is as good as I think he'll be. Shakir has stud potential, Samuel could easily have his best year, a Beez/John Brown type year when they came in 19 Kincaid has stud potential. Knox is a great TE2 Probably the best TE combo in the game I mean we certainly upgraded our WR 4-6 depth, we had Andy Isabella playing a ton of snaps in the divisional round,🤮, I'd take MVS, Claypool, Hollins possibly Shorter shows something after a red shirt year I see alot of potential Edited May 15 by JerseyBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah MVS is washed up but him being a complementary piece isn't the issue. The issue is not having a WR1 or even an established, proven WR2. How it pertains to MVS is that the strategy appears to be "hoping" that 4 veteran receivers who are all coming off seasons where their season's production declined will combine with a low usage vet and second round pick to "in-aggregate" be a sustitute for Diggs and Davis and then some. As has been said before...........hope is not a strategy. So trying to score a TD with 1:55 or so left on the clock was trying to win it with no time left? Wtf are you talking about? They could bring Hopkins in and you’d say he’s old and no longer whatever a WR#1or 2 is. Your shtick is old and tired. This season depends on Brady’s play design and Josh getting the ball to the right guy. One WR will not make or break this season. 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They could bring Hopkins in and you’d say he’s old and no longer whatever a WR#1or 2 is. Your shtick is old and tired. You don't seem to keep up with the regular conversations held on this board. Hopkins was the discussion of the offseason last year. @BADOLBILZ firmly wanted us to sign him. Earlier in the thread you said people aren't naming specific WRs they wanted us to draft. You're just way out of the loop. Which is obviously fine, but it's weird to have strong opinions on this stuff when you're not really paying attention to the discussion. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah MVS is washed up but him being a complementary piece isn't the issue. The issue is not having a WR1 or even an established, proven WR2. How it pertains to MVS is that the strategy appears to be "hoping" that 4 veteran receivers who are all coming off seasons where their season's production declined will combine with a low usage vet and second round pick to "in-aggregate" be a sustitute for Diggs and Davis and then some. As has been said before...........hope is not a strategy. So trying to score a TD with 1:55 or so left on the clock was trying to win it with no time left? Wtf are you talking about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 28 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They could bring Hopkins in and you’d say he’s old and no longer whatever a WR#1or 2 is. Your shtick is old and tired. This season depends on Brady’s play design and Josh getting the ball to the right guy. One WR will not make or break this season. your brand of pathological condescension is really tough to read and makes this a worse place just fyi 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They could bring Hopkins in and you’d say he’s old and no longer whatever a WR#1or 2 is. Your shtick is old and tired. This season depends on Brady’s play design and Josh getting the ball to the right guy. One WR will not make or break this season. I disagree. We could be a juggernaut if everything goes as planned, but we have a lot of what-ifs right now on Offense due to a lack of a true WR1. If we traded for Aiyuk or Metcalf, I honestly don’t know how anyone stops this Offense. I firmly believe we will have a Top 12 OL. Kromer is one of the best in the biz and we have a lot of talented pieces & guys who have been in the system for multiple years on the Offensive Line. You give Allen the following: RB1 - Cook RB2 - Davis RB3 - Johnson TE1 - Kincaid TE2 - Knox TE3 - Morris FB - Gilliam WR1 - DK Metcalf WR2 - Keon Coleman WR3 - Curtis Samuel WR4 - Khalil Shakir WR5 - MVS Sheesh… Good Luck 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 We found Diggs and Davis replacements last year. We just phased out being an outside receiver focused offense. We got more production out of our TE's and RB's and slot WR than any other time since Beasley left. Running game was a force also. Most people probably can't even name the guys who started at outside WR for the Pats on any of the SB teams. Same with the Eagles that beat the Pats and give it a year or two no one will know who started at outside WR for the Chiefs the last two years either. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: The issue is not having a WR1 or even an established, proven WR2. Yeah, it's like the Bills think having 5 WR 3/4s is the equivalent of having one WR1 and one WR2. Do they also think dating two 5's is the equivalent of dating a 10? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) Tell me exactly what having a WR1 means and then tell me how it helped us in the playoffs so that I know the difference between last year when we had one and now that we don't. What is it that we will miss? Edited May 15 by Maine-iac 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 29 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: your brand of pathological condescension is really tough to read and makes this a worse place just fyi His brand of condescension is nothing special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: We found Diggs and Davis replacements last year. We just phased out being an outside receiver focused offense. We got more production out of our TE's and RB's and slot WR than any other time since Beasley left. Running game was a force also. Most people probably can't even name the guys who started at outside WR for the Pats on any of the SB teams. Same with the Eagles that beat the Pats and give it a year or two no one will know who started at outside WR for the Chiefs the last two years either. This. Main thing is the Bills feel comfortable with Kincaid as the primary read and focal point of the passing game. Shakir, Samuel and Coleman will be Wr getting most of the target share. Buffalo feels comfortable with this. They like Coleman and Shakirs potential. The Superbowl Champions primary weapons. Kelce, Pacheco, Rice, Watson and MVS. Kincaid, Cook, Shakir, Coleman and Samuel is much worst? Kelce is turning 35, Rice missing time, Hollywood Brown, and Worthy doesnt blow your doors off. Buffalo does not have the top skill grouping in the NFL. In its totality they are middle of the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Tell me exactly what having a WR1 means and then tell me how it helped us in the playoffs so that I know the difference between last year when we had one and now that we don't. What is it that we will miss? We didn't have a WR1 in the playoffs last year and it was a severe handicap in our season ending loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: We didn't have a WR1 in the playoffs last year and it was a severe handicap in our season ending loss. We did, but he dropped passes, including one late in the game that could have led to the win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mat68 said: This. Main thing is the Bills feel comfortable with Kincaid as the primary read and focal point of the passing game. Shakir, Samuel and Coleman will be Wr getting most of the target share. Buffalo feels comfortable with this. They like Coleman and Shakirs potential. The Superbowl Champions primary weapons. Kelce, Pacheco, Rice, Watson and MVS. Kincaid, Cook, Shakir, Coleman and Samuel is much worst? Kelce is turning 35, Rice missing time, Hollywood Brown, and Worthy doesnt blow your doors off. Buffalo does not have the top skill grouping in the NFL. In its totality they are middle of the road. Come playoff time, we have no reason (yet) to think Kelce won't be anything but Kelce. Rice will be back when it matters. Brown & Worthy don't blow anyone's doors off, no, but they do play well off Kelce & Rice who operate in the short/intermediate. That skill group isn't elite, but Kelce is proven elite / Kincaid is not, yet.. Rice has flashed WR1 potential / Shakir is good, but probably more of a complimentary WR .. Brown and Samuel are similar players with different skill sets.. And both teams are depending on a rookie Worthy / Coleman. Edited May 15 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: We didn't have a WR1 in the playoffs last year and it was a severe handicap in our season ending loss. We held the ball for 37 minutes and almost beat the SB champs with Klein as our starting MLB. The offense was fine without a WR1. I'm not saying we don't need guys to make plays but there's a long history of teams winning championships without Megatron playing WR for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: We held the ball for 37 minutes and almost beat the SB champs with Klein as our starting MLB. The offense was fine without a WR1. I'm not saying we don't need guys to make plays but there's a long history of teams winning championships without Megatron playing WR for them. if we hold the ball for 38 mins we likely win similarly if Diggs comes down w that catch we likely win both those are addressed by having a legit wr1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 33 minutes ago, SCBills said: I disagree. We could be a juggernaut if everything goes as planned, but we have a lot of what-ifs right now on Offense due to a lack of a true WR1. If we traded for Aiyuk or Metcalf, I honestly don’t know how anyone stops this Offense. I firmly believe we will have a Top 12 OL. Kromer is one of the best in the biz and we have a lot of talented pieces & guys who have been in the system for multiple years on the Offensive Line. You give Allen the following: RB1 - Cook RB2 - Davis RB3 - Johnson TE1 - Kincaid TE2 - Knox TE3 - Morris FB - Gilliam WR1 - DK Metcalf WR2 - Keon Coleman WR3 - Curtis Samuel WR4 - Khalil Shakir WR5 - MVS Sheesh… Good Luck First, I don't want Metcalf. He's a talent, yes, but he's never been the kind of #1 I'd like to have. I don't think he creates opportunities - I think he's a big strong fast guy who catches a lot of balls because he's targeted a lot. His catch percentage is not great, and neither is his yards per target. Aiyuk, on the other hand, would be great. However, even with Aiyuk, it's going to be about what Brady does and what Allen does. It's just the nature of modern football - if you don't have right schemes, guys aren't getting open. And even with the right schemes, you need the QB to find the right guy and deliver the ball accurately. And I'd suggest that even without Metcalf or AIyuk. it's a great lineup. Move up Shakir or MVS into a starting role, or Claypool if somehow he can be resurrected, and I like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 28 minutes ago, SCBills said: I disagree. We could be a juggernaut if everything goes as planned, but we have a lot of what-ifs right now on Offense due to a lack of a true WR1. If we traded for Aiyuk or Metcalf, I honestly don’t know how anyone stops this Offense. I firmly believe we will have a Top 12 OL. Kromer is one of the best in the biz and we have a lot of talented pieces & guys who have been in the system for multiple years on the Offensive Line. You give Allen the following: RB1 - Cook RB2 - Davis RB3 - Johnson TE1 - Kincaid TE2 - Knox TE3 - Morris FB - Gilliam WR1 - DK Metcalf WR2 - Keon Coleman WR3 - Curtis Samuel WR4 - Khalil Shakir WR5 - MVS Sheesh… Good Luck Maybe it's the homer in me, but that does look like one helluva roster... It's unclear if we even have the capital to land either of those guys. If we did, it would surely be steep, and our cap situation is not the best. Is spending that much on a single player (and I assume the cost would be considerably higher than what we paid for Von Miller?) a sound strategy? The Bills aren't the only team that might covet players like Metcalf, and Aiyuk. And neither of them have moved. Of course, there is that June 1st, Tre White cut coming up... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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