Warriorspikes51 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, HappyDays said: Eh the Bills get dangled as bait in a lot of these trade discussions. But the trades we end up pulling off are never the ones we're rumored to be in on. Nobody had us trading for Diggs. Nobody has us trading up for Elam or Kincaid. We tried trading for Von Miller before the Rams did - nobody reported this until after fact. I would wager the 49ers are dangling the Bills and/or Patriots as potential trade partners to incentivize the real trade partners to increase their offer. I could actually see the Pats making this move, it makes sense for them. Maybe the 49ers are putting it out there that their division rival with a slightly higher 2nd round pick is also in the conversation. I would just be really surprised if us trying to trade for Deebo Samuel or any player leaked into the media because it's never happened. So JJ then, cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Hahahahaha another self proclaimed cap expert on WGR telling everyone “definitively” the Bills can’t trade for Deebo or Aiyuk They um...can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I don't understand how NFL analysts, all of NFL twitter, and four pages worth of posts on this thread don't seem to be acknowledging the following: The Bills CAN'T trade for Deebo. Literally cannot do it. The only way it would work is if San Fran said "we'll pay most of his salary this year", which...why would they do that? Failing that unlikely scenario, the Bills' salary cap situation makes it literally impossible for them to trade for Samuel, Aiyuk, or Higgins right now. They can't afford it. but it was on the internet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, Logic said: They um...can't. Like how they couldn't trade diggs right 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, GoBills808 said: Like how they couldn't trade diggs right Gotta have a short term memory to be an elite poster 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Hahahahaha another self proclaimed cap expert on WGR telling everyone “definitively” the Bills can’t trade for Deebo or Aiyuk You seem to question the NFL cap rules, so providing this as education to all. https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement Go to article 13 in the above. Section 2 is plain and simple, and you can read other parts of the document for additional clarification on salary cap. We have to be under the cap during the league year, which started March 13th EDIT: as @Warriorspikes51 would like it, we'd trade for Deebo then have to immediately release him because we would then be over the cap. Sounds like a great plan to give up a free 2nd rounder right? Edited April 26 by MasterStrategist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) I dunno if the NFL rules allow for this, but for the Bills to get Deebo or Aiyuk they'd have to get an extension in place prior to the trade so they don't break the cap when they take on their contract. Aiyuk is much more likely as his on his 5th year Edited April 26 by appoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 47 minutes ago, psuscott16 said: I know there is always a way, but with what cap space? The underlying issue — cap space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Eh the Bills get dangled as bait in a lot of these trade discussions. But the trades we end up pulling off are never the ones we're rumored to be in on. Nobody had us trading for Diggs. Nobody has us trading up for Elam or Kincaid. We tried trading for Von Miller before the Rams did - nobody reported this until after fact. I would wager the 49ers are dangling the Bills and/or Patriots as potential trade partners to incentivize the real trade partners to increase their offer. I could actually see the Pats making this move, it makes sense for them. Maybe the 49ers are putting it out there that their division rival with a slightly higher 2nd round pick is also in the conversation. I would just be really surprised if us trying to trade for Deebo Samuel or any player leaked into the media because it's never happened. NE has $57.3 million in cap space and the Diggs example shows that it’s not a bad idea to get your new franchise qb a quality vet receiver. But as I said elsewhere, they don’t have a left tackle, and that seems more pressing to me. Only slightly, though, because their receivers are of course terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Like how they couldn't trade diggs right Nope. That was different. That instance of saying "can't" was people overstating the unlikelihood of trading Diggs because of the dead cap it would create. THIS instance of saying "can't" is because they LITERALLY CAN'T. Teams HAVE to be cap compliant at this point in the year. The Bills, by trading for any of the veteran receivers with high cap hits, would be over the cap. You can't negotiate with a player while he's on another team. A trade submitted to the league where the acquiring team would be put over the salary cap by the acquisition will be declined. I'm not saying it's unlikely. I'm saying that NFL rules make it literally impossible. Significant difference. 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Gotta have a short term memory to be an elite poster Or just an understanding of league rules. 2 minutes ago, appoo said: I dunno if the NFL rules allow for this, but for the Bills to get Deebo or Aiyuk they'd have to get an extension in place prior to the trade so they don't break the cap when they take on their contract. Aiyuk is much more likely as his on his 5th year NFL rules do NOT allow this. Edited April 26 by Logic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Maybe for one of the 4ths, certainly not for pick 33, Beane’s not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 This thread is gonna go on for 11 more pages even though this trade would be literally impossible due to league salary cap rules, isn't it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Logic said: Nope. That was different. That instance of saying "can't" was people overstating the unlikelihood of trading Diggs because of the dead cap it would create. THIS instance of saying "can't" is because they LITERALLY CAN'T. Teams HAVE to be cap compliant at this point in the year. The Bills, by trading for any of the veteran receivers with high cap hits, would be over the cap. You can't negotiate with a player while he's on another team. A trade submitted to the league where the acquiring team would be put over the salary cap by the acquisition will be declined. I'm not saying it's unlikely. I'm saying that NFL rules make it literally impossible. Significant difference. Or just an understanding of league rules. NFL rules do NOT allow this. Are we allowed to restructure Josh again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, Logic said: They um...can't. I think Deebo they technically could because he's on a normal contract, not the 5th year option, so the 49ers could theoretically (I think) agree to retain most or all of his salary. Nor sure on the particulars though. We have just over $3M in cap space right now and we need room to sign our draft picks so while maybe not technically impossible, it feels like a massively unlikely prospect. Aiyuk on the other hand is literally impossible as far as I know. His 5th year option cap hit can't be retained. We would need to free up more cap space than we have the ability to just to put him on our roster even if only temporarily while we work out an extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 This makes no sense to me during a historic wr draft when you are right on cap. Pick two tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Could we trade for him and then flip him for 13 5th rounders before it "hits the cap"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Logic said: This thread is gonna go on for 11 more pages even though this trade would be literally impossible due to league salary cap rules, isn't it? What rule are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I think Deebo they technically could because he's on a normal contract, not the 5th year option, so the 49ers could theoretically (I think) agree to retain most or all of his salary. Nor sure on the particulars though. We have just over $3M in cap space right now and we need room to sign our draft picks so while maybe not technically impossible, it feels like a massively unlikely prospect. Aiyuk on the other hand is literally impossible as far as I know. His 5th year option cap hit can't be retained. We would need to free up more cap space than we have the ability to just to put him on our roster even if only temporarily while we work out an extension. 100% agree and getting the 49ers to convert Deebos $20m base salary ( or most of it) to bonus (then take on as dead cap in a trade), is likely costing more than a 2nd round pick. Somehow shout this from the rooftops, or hope a reporter asks Beane this question. @Warriorspikes51 might lose it tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Are we allowed to restructure Josh again? we’re not allowed to do anything per _____ expert TBD poster _______ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I think Deebo they technically could because he's on a normal contract, not the 5th year option, so the 49ers could theoretically (I think) agree to retain most or all of his salary. Nor sure on the particulars though. We have just over $3M in cap space right now and we need room to sign our draft picks so while maybe not technically impossible, it feels like a massively unlikely prospect. Aiyuk on the other hand is literally impossible as far as I know. His 5th year option cap hit can't be retained. We would need to free up more cap space than we have the ability to just to put him on our roster even if only temporarily while we work out an extension. I think Greg Thompsett showed where we can make it work for Aiyuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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