Shaw66 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 4 minutes ago, Gregg said: This is true but the winner has arguably the greatest TE to ever play the game and a true game changer for Mahomes to rely on. With Diggs in Houston the Bills need a #1 WR to help take the pressure of Kincaid and give Allen another weapon to work with. I'm barging in here and not even sure about the details you guys have been talking about, but this point about Kelce is something I've been thinking about lately. Yes, it's true that Kelce is super special, but I think it's important to recognize that he doesn't succeed with physical dominance. He doesn't have great speed, he isn't a great run after catch guy - he isn't extraordinary at breaking tackles. His RAC comes from being wide open. I'm not sure I'd call Kelce a game changer, altho I won't argue that point. What he is is an excellent scheme fit. Kelce is an excellent tight end with good hands and brains, playing in great scheme with a QB who can execute the scheme. The important point for this discussion is brains, scheme, and a QB who executes is what makes a great passing game in the current NFL. I think, in fact, that receivers are becoming a dime a dozen, just like running backs. Successful teams don't need a top-five running back, and I think the passing game already has evolved to the point that they don't need a top-five receiver. I mean, they'll have a guy who is top-five in the stats, but he'll get there by being a scheme fit rather than being a great receiver. I think that's exactly what we've seen in Kansas City. And it's what we've seen in LA and Detroit and SF. The Bills need a wideout, for sure. But I no longer think it's important to have the stud you might find in the top of the draft. There are a lot guys who can become part of an excellent passing attack in Buffalo, probably a half-dozen in the draft, and guys who will be available in September. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Got it. Now I have to think about how many ricochets is it good for! lol I’ve fallen victim to the sarcasm ricochet a couple times, no shame, it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: A few draft picks will be sufficient. This is exactly why we hoard all of those 6th and 7th rounders. 🤷♂️ . Edited April 24 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Joe B from The Athletic: 7. Buffalo Bills (from Titans*): Rome Odunze, WR, Washington Titans trade Nos. 7 and 106 to Bills for Nos. 28, 60, 133, 160 and a 2025 first-rounder. General manager Brandon Beane did his best last week to say he doesn’t think wide receiver is a glaring hole, but with only Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins as their top three, logic screams otherwise. Beane stressed last week that he wants receivers who are “smart, selfless and versatile,” and that perfectly sums up Odunze, who has the talent to be Josh Allen’s long-term No. 1 receiver. He also has the leadership the Bills covet and the versatility to start at X receiver but play across the formation. Having Minnesota’s potentially early 2025 second-round pick next year helps Beane justify sending away a major asset like their 2025 first-rounder. — Joe Buscaglia Interesting that Joe B had us moving up to #7 previously for Nabers. Now it’s Odunze 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, finn said: Wow, just 27% of WRs are signed to a second contract. Does this argue for moving up or NOT moving up? No imo There's a lot more to getting a second contract from the team that drafted you than whether you performed well or not 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, finn said: Wow, just 27% of WRs are signed to a second contract. Does this argue for moving up or NOT moving up? by the drafting team....this tweet implies therefore they are not "hits", but, that may not reflect each player's actual career or contributions Example: 2000 draft 1st round WR Peter Warrick (#4) -> played 5 years for Cincy, 1 year FA contract with Seattle Plaxico Burress (#8) -> played 5 years for Pittsburgh, signed a 6 year $25M contract with NYG, big $$ for that time Neither signed a 2nd contract with their drafting team, so both aren't "hits" by the criteria of this tweet But Warrick's best year was 79 catches 819 yds and his FA deal was his last year in the league Burress had 4 - 1000+ yds seasons and finished his "careerus interruptus" with 8500 yds and 553 receptions Very different career trajectories 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 31 minutes ago, njbuff said: Well, the Bills D has a built in excuse for their latest failure against the Chiefs in the playoffs. 😁 The fact is the Bills D stopped KC's last 3 drives. The Bills Offense had 3 chances for a TD. 0 for 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: by the drafting team....this tweet implies therefore they are not "hits", but, that may not reflect each player's actual career or contributions Example: 2000 draft 1st round WR Peter Warrick (#4) -> played 5 years for Cincy, 1 year FA contract with Seattle Plaxico Burress (#8) -> played 5 years for Pittsburgh, signed a 6 year $25M contract with NYG, big $$ for that time Neither signed a 2nd contract with their drafting team, so both aren't "hits" by the criteria of this tweet But Warrick's best year was 79 catches 819 yds and his FA deal was his last year in the league Burress had 4 - 1000+ yds seasons and finished his "careerus interruptus" with 8500 yds and 553 receptions Very different career trajectories I agree with the thrust of what you're saying, but it might be similar for other positions too outside of QB (that is, no team is letting a good QB get away). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 31 minutes ago, Gregg said: This is true but the winner has arguably the greatest TE to ever play the game and a true game changer for Mahomes to rely on. With Diggs in Houston the Bills need a #1 WR to help take the pressure of Kincaid and give Allen another weapon to work with. If you could trade for any receiver in the league now, would you trade what it takes to get Odunze or higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Joe B from The Athletic: 7. Buffalo Bills (from Titans*): Rome Odunze, WR, Washington Titans trade Nos. 7 and 106 to Bills for Nos. 28, 60, 133, 160 and a 2025 first-rounder. General manager Brandon Beane did his best last week to say he doesn’t think wide receiver is a glaring hole, but with only Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins as their top three, logic screams otherwise. Beane stressed last week that he wants receivers who are “smart, selfless and versatile,” and that perfectly sums up Odunze, who has the talent to be Josh Allen’s long-term No. 1 receiver. He also has the leadership the Bills covet and the versatility to start at X receiver but play across the formation. Having Minnesota’s potentially early 2025 second-round pick next year helps Beane justify sending away a major asset like their 2025 first-rounder. — Joe Buscaglia Interesting that Joe B had us moving up to #7 previously for Nabers. Now it’s Odunze I don’t know how all the points work out and all that stuff, but it makes me feel a little better that the Viking’s 2nd rounder shouldn’t be that much lower than the 1st we’d lose. I hate giving up the future, but that would take some of the sting out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Joe B from The Athletic: 7. Buffalo Bills (from Titans*): Rome Odunze, WR, Washington Titans trade Nos. 7 and 106 to Bills for Nos. 28, 60, 133, 160 and a 2025 first-rounder. General manager Brandon Beane did his best last week to say he doesn’t think wide receiver is a glaring hole, but with only Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins as their top three, logic screams otherwise. Beane stressed last week that he wants receivers who are “smart, selfless and versatile,” and that perfectly sums up Odunze, who has the talent to be Josh Allen’s long-term No. 1 receiver. He also has the leadership the Bills covet and the versatility to start at X receiver but play across the formation. Having Minnesota’s potentially early 2025 second-round pick next year helps Beane justify sending away a major asset like their 2025 first-rounder. — Joe Buscaglia Interesting that Joe B had us moving up to #7 previously for Nabers. Now it’s Odunze Gave up 60 … you would hate it .. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Pete said: The fact is the Bills D stopped KC's last 3 drives. The Bills Offense had 3 chances for a TD. 0 for 3. No we didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Joe B from The Athletic: 7. Buffalo Bills (from Titans*): Rome Odunze, WR, Washington Titans trade Nos. 7 and 106 to Bills for Nos. 28, 60, 133, 160 and a 2025 first-rounder. General manager Brandon Beane did his best last week to say he doesn’t think wide receiver is a glaring hole, but with only Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins as their top three, logic screams otherwise. Beane stressed last week that he wants receivers who are “smart, selfless and versatile,” and that perfectly sums up Odunze, who has the talent to be Josh Allen’s long-term No. 1 receiver. He also has the leadership the Bills covet and the versatility to start at X receiver but play across the formation. Having Minnesota’s potentially early 2025 second-round pick next year helps Beane justify sending away a major asset like their 2025 first-rounder. — Joe Buscaglia Interesting that Joe B had us moving up to #7 previously for Nabers. Now it’s Odunze I think he probably thought about it and realized Nabers falling to 7 is unrealistic. It would require 4 QB's going in the Top 5 plus another team taking a player than the highest rated player on the board at a position of need for them. I would be shocked if either Harrison or Nabers were on the board at 7. Between Arizona, Los Angeles, and New York - at least 2 of those teams are going to take WR or trade out to someone who will. Edited April 24 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I agree with the thrust of what you're saying, but it might be similar for other positions too outside of QB (that is, no team is letting a good QB get away). It absolutely is. My initial example in my response to the tweet was Tremaine Edmunds, who started 82 games in 5 seasons for the Bills. He didn't not get a 2nd contract from the Bills. He had his detractors on TBD, but he didn't get signed to a 4 year, $72M contract with $50M guaranteed from the Bears because league-wide GMs thought he wasn't a "hit" as a draft pick. To the contrary, he was regarded well enough that he priced the Bills out of his market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Joe B from The Athletic: 7. Buffalo Bills (from Titans*): Rome Odunze, WR, Washington Titans trade Nos. 7 and 106 to Bills for Nos. 28, 60, 133, 160 and a 2025 first-rounder. General manager Brandon Beane did his best last week to say he doesn’t think wide receiver is a glaring hole, but with only Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins as their top three, logic screams otherwise. Beane stressed last week that he wants receivers who are “smart, selfless and versatile,” and that perfectly sums up Odunze, who has the talent to be Josh Allen’s long-term No. 1 receiver. He also has the leadership the Bills covet and the versatility to start at X receiver but play across the formation. Having Minnesota’s potentially early 2025 second-round pick next year helps Beane justify sending away a major asset like their 2025 first-rounder. — Joe Buscaglia Interesting that Joe B had us moving up to #7 previously for Nabers. Now it’s Odunze that whole athletic mock draft was kind of unrealistic. If they do anything like this for a WR he had better be among the leagues top wr in year one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 9 minutes ago, Pete said: The fact is the Bills D stopped KC's last 3 drives. The Bills Offense had 3 chances for a TD. 0 for 3. Other than the end of game drive, last 3 drives were a TD, a fumble, and a punt. So, No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: No we didnt KC-Bills D gave O 3 chances to win 12:53BUF 320:44231Fumble 10:45KC 432:2258Punt 1:43KC 341:4358Game Bills offense 0-3 14:20BUF 251:2747Downs 12:09BUF 201:243-2Punt 8:23BUF 206:401654FG Miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 This past month to six weeks .. Joe B has literally made his living out of predicting the Bills to trade up to the Top 10… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) It's funny to read such strong opinions on which WRs are gonna make it after we went over the JA thread form 6 years ago. Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas The buzz surrounding Worthy exploded after he broke the NFL Combine's 40-yard dash record in 2024, blazing a 4.21-second time to break the record set by John Ross in 2017 by 0.01 seconds. Worthy dominated the rest of the NFL Combine, as well, posting a 41-inch vertical jump and a 10-11 broad jump to establish himself as one of the most athletic receivers in the 2024 NFL Draft class. That pushed him into first-round consideration given that he was productive during his career at Texas. What's the issue with Worthy? He's small. It's not so much the 5-11 frame that could be a problem, but he weighed in at just 160 pounds for the 2024 NFL Combine. Maintaining that playing weight would make him one of the lightest players in the NFL and could cause him to become injury-prone if he doesn't bulk up. Worthy played in 39 games during his three seasons with the Longhorns, so some will point to DeVonta Smith's success at 6-0, 170 pounds as a reason the Texas product could end up OK. Others can look to Hollywood Brown (5-9, 180 pounds) and his history of nagging injuries as a reason Worthy could struggle to make a consistent impact in the NFL. Perhaps the best comparison for Worthy is Tank Dell, as noted by NFL.com's Lance Zierlein. The Texans' playmaker (5-10, 165 pounds) enjoyed an excellent rookie season, making 47 catches for 709 yards and seven touchdowns in 11 games, but he missed six games with a fractured fibula. That serves as a cautionary tale for the team that drafts Worthy. He could develop into a true No. 1 receiver and speed demon at the next level, but his size makes his durability a question mark. As the cliché goes, the best ability in the NFL is availability. Edited April 24 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, Pete said: KC-Bills D gave O 3 chances to win 12:53BUF 320:44231Fumble 10:45KC 432:2258Punt 1:43KC 341:4358Game Bills offense 0-3 14:20BUF 251:2747Downs 12:09BUF 201:243-2Punt 8:23BUF 206:401654FG Miss Lol how does giving up the game sealing drive give you a chance to win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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