extrahammer Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) Hello fellow Bills fans, welcome to my question of the day, I hope you all are well and moving on from the recent Diggs stuff. I was reading this ESPN article that came out today about Belichick and him not being hired or even considered in this last NFL coaching job carousel - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39955777/how-patriots-legend-bill-belichick-end-nfl-job Is it at all possible for McD to have a similar career path? My gut overwhelmingly tells me no, but I do wonder.... Let me know your thoughts and why! Edited April 17 by extrahammer belichick is questionable as offensive "guru" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 what was yesterday's question? 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Man you got me so excited when I glanced at your title thread and saw Vacation and McD. I was like “thank you Lord! Now he can’t screw up the draft making Beane take more defensive duds” Man I hope he stay out of the draft room this year 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 4 minutes ago, extrahammer said: Belichick was a defensive coordinator who became an offensive guru. What? 1 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: What? possibly a slight exaggeration but i feel like there are worse exaggerations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 10 minutes ago, extrahammer said: Hello fellow Bills fans, welcome to my question of the day, I hope you all are well and moving on from the recent Diggs stuff. I was reading this ESPN article that came out today about Belichick and him not being hired or even considered in this last NFL coaching job carousel - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39955777/how-patriots-legend-bill-belichick-end-nfl-job Belichick was a defensive coordinator who became an offensive guru. Is it at all possible for McD to have a similar career path? My gut overwhelmingly tells me no, but I do wonder.... Let me know your thoughts and why! "hello fellow Bills fans" Who do you work for??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Can you define this career path? You are saying that Belichick became an offensive guru (which he didn't. His offensive coordinators always ran the offenses), so is that your question? Or do you mean will McDermott win as many superbowls? Or do you mean leave the team in 20 years and not be able to get a job? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, extrahammer said: Belichick was a defensive coordinator who became an offensive guru. You been drinkin' on this vacation? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 BB’s defense were often MONEY when it counted. McD’s usually aren’t even pocket change. I’ll worry about his Offensive prowess after he demonstrates some of the Defensive variety in the playoffs. Which , I’m guessing, is never. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 (edited) 1 minute ago, Bruffalo said: You been drinkin' on this vacation? si senor! okay I'll take out the offensive guru part. i still think belichick could call a better game than any OC that worked for him and most in the NFL. Edited April 17 by extrahammer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) Belichick is a control freak...... easy for an owner to reluctantly put up with his arrogance when he is winning as evidenced by N.E. making it to the AFC Championship game 13 times from 2001-2018. as soon as the winning stops....out the door......then kraft happily sabotaging his future McClappity isn't on that level and likely never will be Edited April 17 by papazoid 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Don’t laugh? I can’t stop. This is humor at its best. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 Just now, papazoid said: easy for an owner to reluctantly put up with his arrogance when he is winning as evidenced by N.E. making it to the AFC Championship game 13 times from 2011-2018. that was an insane run, i remember it like it was yesterday. but you know who beat his a** in the regular season in 2011?! A nickel back named Drayton Florence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, extrahammer said: that was an insane run, i remember it like it was yesterday. but you know who beat his a** in the regular season in 2011?! A nickel back named Drayton Florence. ** 2001 - 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 Just now, papazoid said: ** 2001 - 2018 no i liked "2011 to 2018" because it definitely felt like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 show me an elite level head coach who did it without an elite level QB don't bother looking the hoodie should have swallowed his pride and rode brady til his arm fell off. the bigger mistake was thinking you could do it without replacing him with an elite level QB.....thats where his arrogance cost em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 (edited) he's trying to rebrand himself see!! Edited April 17 by extrahammer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Belichick's career path was an outstanding DC who went on to become a great HC. I would love McDermott to follow that path. Belichick's failure to secure a new job after his NE stint ended, has more to do with his having total control in NE for 24 years and how he's perceived as relating to his players than to his being a primarily defensive HC. Most owners don't want a GM/HC although a few teams still use this model. They want a GM and HC to work together rather than competing for supremacy. I think that Belichick's perceived image is of a master manipulator and win-at-all-costs guy who doesn't tolerate mistakes, calls out anybody and everybody, etc. I don't know if that's a true image or not, but I think when fans think of Belichick, that's a lot of what they think. I think McDermott projects a much different image, one of a HC who cares for his players as people, is a patient teacher, is more encouraging coach than a disciplarian, and a HC who works well with others. Again, I don't know that that's an accurate image, either, but several media analysts have speculated that many owners are looking for HCAs who work well with today's players -- and that would be kinder, gentler guys than Belichick and more like McDermott. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Mcd couldn't lick Belichecks jock strap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Mcd couldn't lick Belichecks jock strap That’s okay, it’s probably not high on his priority list. Belichick showed who he was without Brady, and he’s the one who wanted all the control. They might have a better roster if Belichick had let Nick Caserio build a team like he has in Houston, but Belichick thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. 2 hours ago, extrahammer said: si senor! okay I'll take out the offensive guru part. i still think belichick could call a better game than any OC that worked for him and most in the NFL. Well, that is on Belichick then. He’s the one who picked the OC’s, and he even put a DC in the role of OC. Brady was the magic on offense. I’ll give Belichick credit for having been a defensive genius, a guy who stole a SB from us because Kelly wouldn’t just keep handing the ball to Thurman. . Edited April 17 by Augie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 hours ago, extrahammer said: he's trying to rebrand himself see!! Meh it's not like they pulled the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 If Belichick was the dark overlord of the NFL, McDermott can be the light overlord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 I think the OP hurt himself thinking up this topic 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 "Vacation" = Day Drinking Cheers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 7 hours ago, nucci said: what was yesterday's question? I’m ☠️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 7 hours ago, papazoid said: Belichick is a control freak...... easy for an owner to reluctantly put up with his arrogance when he is winning as evidenced by N.E. making it to the AFC Championship game 13 times from 2001-2018. as soon as the winning stops....out the door......then kraft happily sabotaging his future McClappity isn't on that level and likely never will be Nah. Bellichick definitely had no business coaching those last few years, but got a pass due to his past titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 12 hours ago, Augie said: That’s okay, it’s probably not high on his priority list. Belichick showed who he was without Brady, and he’s the one who wanted all the control. They might have a better roster if Belichick had let Nick Caserio build a team like he has in Houston, but Belichick thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. Well, that is on Belichick then. He’s the one who picked the OC’s, and he even put a DC in the role of OC. Brady was the magic on offense. I’ll give Belichick credit for having been a defensive genius, a guy who stole a SB from us because Kelly wouldn’t just keep handing the ball to Thurman. . Mcd has not even come close to winning a afccg with the best qb to ever play for Buffalo. He needs to go 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 17 hours ago, Bruffalo said: You been drinkin' on this vacation? I thought that with the original post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) By similar path, do you mean coaching for a couple of years longer than optimal, then finding no further HC interest in the league? Or do you mean winning many super bowls with a top notch QB on your team. At this point one these outcomes seems more likely than the other outcome. Edited April 18 by Chaos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 18 hours ago, extrahammer said: Hello fellow Bills fans, welcome to my question of the day, I hope you all are well and moving on from the recent Diggs stuff. I was reading this ESPN article that came out today about Belichick and him not being hired or even considered in this last NFL coaching job carousel - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39955777/how-patriots-legend-bill-belichick-end-nfl-job Is it at all possible for McD to have a similar career path? My gut overwhelmingly tells me no, but I do wonder.... Let me know your thoughts and why! Yes, in the sense that at some point, Pegula might no longer fall for McDermott's "process" scam, realize that McDermott should not be running this team, and tell fellow owners that he is a farce and a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 17 hours ago, Augie said: That’s okay, it’s probably not high on his priority list. Belichick showed who he was without Brady, and he’s the one who wanted all the control. They might have a better roster if Belichick had let Nick Caserio build a team like he has in Houston, but Belichick thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. Well, that is on Belichick then. He’s the one who picked the OC’s, and he even put a DC in the role of OC. Brady was the magic on offense. I’ll give Belichick credit for having been a defensive genius, a guy who stole a SB from us because Kelly wouldn’t just keep handing the ball to Thurman. . Same for Lombardi without Starr. Dungy without Manning. Payton without Brees........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 19 hours ago, papazoid said: show me an elite level head coach who did it without an elite level QB don't bother looking the hoodie should have swallowed his pride and rode brady til his arm fell off. the bigger mistake was thinking you could do it without replacing him with an elite level QB.....thats where his arrogance cost em Joe Gibbs with Doug Williams as his QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Gregg said: Joe Gibbs with Doug Williams as his QB. not bad, but is that about the best one anyone can come up with ?...... Williams had only started 2 regular season games in 1987 when he went 3-0 in the playoffs. The following season he only started 10. so does that really count ?.....lots of backups had brief success. Edited April 18 by papazoid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repulsif Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 29 minutes ago, Gregg said: Joe Gibbs with Doug Williams as his QB. Ravens 1st win and Buccaneers 1st win, also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) BB won a Super Bowl by age fifty, while McD is busy underachieving with an all time talent at QB at the same point in his career. Edited April 18 by SirAndrew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 4 minutes ago, papazoid said: not bad, but is that about the best one anyone can come up with ?...... Williams had only started 2 regular season games in 1987 when he went 3-0 in the playoffs. The following season he only started 10. so does that really count ?.....lots of backups had brief success. Gibbs with Williams is the one that stands out to me. What about Harbaugh with Flacco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Same for Lombardi without Starr. Dungy without Manning. Payton without Brees........ You forgot the future “McDermott without Allen” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: You forgot the future “McDermott without Allen” no rings, no future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Same for Lombardi without Starr. Dungy without Manning. Payton without Brees........ Lombardi was ~60 years ago, when passing was relatively rare and Payton was also bad with Brees. (I tend to think he’s a bit overrated.) But Tony Dungy had very competitive teams without Manning, unlike Belichick who is last in the division without Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 5 minutes ago, Augie said: Lombardi was ~60 years ago, when passing was relatively rare and Payton was also bad with Brees. (I tend to think he’s a bit overrated.) But Tony Dungy had very competitive teams without Manning, unlike Belichick who is last in the division without Brady. Dungy won 2 playoff games in 6 years in Tampa. BB inherited a 3-13 teams and ultimately got to the playoff and won a game with Vinny Testaverde... Bill Walsh was a genius because he retired before he had to coach again without a HOF QB (he was 8-24 with Steve DeBerg) It's always a pretty weak argument to point out a HOF HC couldn't match the success he had without his HOF QB.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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