Bruffalo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 23 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm cool with it, but I'm going to just keep screaming this into the void: Double up on WR. The hit rate is not high, hedge your bets and take 2 high WR prospects if you're not moving up for one of the "sure things". 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 25 minutes ago, HappyDays said: It's not really hard to read that tea leaf. The Bills have met with him a bunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) On 4/11/2024 at 12:18 PM, HappyDays said: Seems like a convergence of interest there, if the Bills can get back a 3rd there should be a sweet spot to land a safety. I love the idea of a trade-back to the top of the 2nd to get an early 3rd, leveraging the value of the 5th year option on their 1st if they have several guys they'd be comfortable with for WR at that slot. It dawned on me doing mocks that the Bills 2nd (60OA) should still be a premium position addressed - WR, OT, CB, Edge. I keep having Travares Tillman flashbacks reaching for a safety. A guy who keeping dropping into that 60 range is Kingsley Suamataia for the reason that he's so young and raw that he may not be ready to start this year, but has a perfect opportunity to redshirt with the Bills behind Dawkins and Brown, and with Brown's contract coming up it's sensible to get a developmental guy this year. His athletic traits are as good as anyone, but the teams taking OT are taking them to start Day 1. It's suboptimal to spend that R2 on a guy who isn't playing this year, but the ceiling is sky-high and the position is as critical as anything non-QB. Getting a R3 in a trade-back makes that possible. Edited April 15 by Ralonzo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 28 minutes ago, HappyDays said: While I think BTJ is likely a safer choice, if I am waiting to 28, I think Franklin is my guy. "But he's an X receiver" Yes, at least to start. He's slender and has some knocks. But the team's most consistent success came last year when they spread the ball around instead of force feeding Diggs. Between Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel and Cook the team already the players who can make tough contested catches over the middle, or dominate in the slot, or be a backfield run/pass option threat and can win a lot of one on one matchups that way. But if defenses compress coverage and the Bills have no reliable way to stretch the field, we get what we saw whenever Gabe wasn't clicking. If it's Franklin at 28, I'm happy. If it's Franklin at somwhere in the 30s I'll be over the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Adam says it so confidently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I like his route running. It's not elite but good enough for someone with his speed. The concern on him is hands and frame. Im concerned that his frame is thin and it means he has to dig deeper when he changes directions. I’m concerned about the handier cornerbacks like Sauce Gardner shutting him down easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/13/2024 at 8:15 AM, BuffaloBillyG said: You know, it's really funny to me that when people yell about MHJ, they can't help the narrative about his "bloodlines". I fall guilty of that as well. It indicates absolutely nothing. Many people don't even realize that Jerry Rice's son is in the draft as well....he's projected as a 4th rounder. Rice Jr's scouting report sounds a bit like Gabe Davis. I'd take that on one of the Bills' 4th rounders. I don't think we want the Bills to use 28 AND 60 on the one position and I hope Beane learned that lesson, but right around there should be the range where a Rice or Javon Baker get tapped... maybe even Tez or Burton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Adam says it so confidently. Cowboys will take him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: If they traded back a bit and took Franklin like in the latest TSW mock (maybe not as far as #41) I'd be happier than taking him at #28. Any WR we're talking about at #28 I would feel better taking after a trade down (I know you like Legette enough to just take him at #28). But at the same time I think we just have to be willing to accept maybe not getting a 100% perfect value at #28. Let's say no teams wants to trade up with us. If it comes down to slightly reaching for a WR or taking another position entirely I will still take the WR and in my mind it's not even a contest. Edited April 15 by HappyDays 4 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Any WR we're talking about at #28 I would feel better taking after a trade down (I know you like Legette enough to just take him at #28). But at the same time I think we just have to be willing to accept maybe not getting a 100% perfect value at #28. Let's say no teams wants to trade up with us. If it comes down to slightly reaching for a WR or taking another position entirely I will still take the WR and in my mind it's not even a contest. I like Legette too, but I've done dozens of mock drafts and he's always available at 35-40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 A first round receiver to me NEEDS to be a WR1. I don’t want a Skyy Moore or a Laquon Treadwell. That’s why I’m low on Troy Franklin, I simply don’t see him as an elite WR1 prospect. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: A first round receiver to me NEEDS to be a WR1. I don’t want a Skyy Moore or a Laquon Treadwell. That’s why I’m low on Troy Franklin, I simply don’t see him as an elite WR1 prospect. What about him makes you think he can’t be a WR1, or at least a lesser chance than the other receivers that may be available when we are there at 28? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 43 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Any WR we're talking about at #28 I would feel better taking after a trade down (I know you like Legette enough to just take him at #28). But at the same time I think we just have to be willing to accept maybe not getting a 100% perfect value at #28. Let's say no teams wants to trade up with us. If it comes down to slightly reaching for a WR or taking another position entirely I will still take the WR and in my mind it's not even a contest. I agree with the premise but have you seen the run of WR needy teams at the top of round 2? I think there are 5 of them between 33-38 so trading back behind those teams seems very sub optimal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 24 minutes ago, LEBills said: What about him makes you think he can’t be a WR1, or at least a lesser chance than the other receivers that may be available when we are there at 28? I don’t see it with the physical tools TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 52 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Any WR we're talking about at #28 I would feel better taking after a trade down (I know you like Legette enough to just take him at #28). But at the same time I think we just have to be willing to accept maybe not getting a 100% perfect value at #28. Let's say no teams wants to trade up with us. If it comes down to slightly reaching for a WR or taking another position entirely I will still take the WR and in my mind it's not even a contest. To me it depends how far I'm reaching. I want them to draft a WR at #28, I wanted them to go receiver in round 1 the last two years. I think Mitchell and Worthy are slight reaches by my board, but I'd do it. Franklin feels like just too much of a reach to me. Especially if I'm leaving top end prospects on the board at OT, CB or Edge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/11/2024 at 3:24 PM, jahnyc said: I don't think Collins can be counted on to play full-time or to be an adequate replacement for Brown for a full season. I don't think L'ol Collins can be counted on to make the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/11/2024 at 1:06 PM, SoonerBillsFan said: I am betting we trade 28 to Carllina for 33 and a 3rd. 1st pick of the 2nd round which gives us tons of ammo. I'm thinking trading back for Washington's Pick #40 and #78 or Washington's Pick #36 and #100. I think Washington would want to get back into the 1st round. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 59 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm thinking trading back for Washington's Pick #40 and #78 or Washington's Pick #36 and #100. I think Washington would want to get back into the 1st round. I can see that. 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Adam says it so confidently. Cosell said this a couple weeks ago. 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: IF this has truly been leaked from inside the building, then Beane wanted it to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 3 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I like Legette too, but I've done dozens of mock drafts and he's always available at 35-40. Of course that has no bearing on whether he will be or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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