nosejob Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 8 hours ago, Process said: I doubt Latu falling to the second round is actually realistic but if he does Bills should make a move up to take him. We need a starting DE and he'd be our best shot to get one past round 1. Worth the risk. If Thomas is gone and he makes it to 24-26, we gotta make the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 8 hours ago, SCBills said: I have to back up what is said about Coleman. I know his testing has him down in the eyes of many, and I'm not sure I love the idea of taking him in RD1, but it's hard to square his testing numbers with how he looked on the field. They don't match up. He might be good with a QB like Tom Brady, but not so much with Josh…Allen needs guys who separate…👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 19 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: "HANGING" is the proper word to describe how DBs defend him. You can also use the words grabbing and clutching. He WAS the best player on the field that game and that includes Nabers, Thomas and Daniels It would be so “Billsy” to acknowledge you need to get more explosive on offense, only to draft someone slower than Gabe Davis…😉 Edited April 12 by JaCrispy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) Just repeating what c 42 minutes ago, boyst said: Huh? Just repeating what Charlie Campbell said as a “rumor”… Edited April 12 by ControllerOfPlanetX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: Just repeating what c Just repeating what Charlie Campbell said.. Really?!?! Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 9 hours ago, H2o said: Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE. Please educate me: why not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 9 hours ago, msw2112 said: What a shocker. They release their two veteran former all-pro caliber starting safeties, replacing them with only 2 mid-tier veterans without a ton of starting experience (one of whom was already on the roster), and have 11 draft picks, and they're "considering" safety help in the draft. Stop the presses. I think it's worth considering how the Bills acquired their all-pro caliber starting safeties. Green Bay had 5th round pick Micah Hyde playing nickel corner and backup at safety - couldn't really decide what he was. He bounced between nickelback and starting at free or strong safety when a starter was injured. He played out his rookie contract, and they let him walk. The Eagles released 7th round pick Poyer and the Browns picked him up as a backup safety. It took 3 years for him to work his way into the starting lineup, then he lacerated his kidney, they IR'd him, and let him walk. I think Beane has a lot of confidence in their ability to identify talent at DB in later rounds. Whether that's "good enough", I don't know. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 10 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Please educate me: why not? Some folks have written extensively pro and con. I can't do them justice briefly. Since I am in the opposition to Coleman, at least at #28, the case against is that historically, WRs with 4.6 forty times have a low rate of success. He doesn't give you explosiveness or separation. He wins contested balls, and he may have a harder time doing that in the pros when the dbs are bigger and faster. Those who like him think he would thrive with Allen, and like that he can bulldoze players on the other side of the ball. We don't have that now, unless Shorter emerges as a player, I guess. Some analyses suggest that players with his size and relative lack of speed may do well as a big slot, but I don't want a WR that needs to take snaps from Kincaid to be successful. Overall, I prefer Legette if we don't make an expensive play for a big 3 WR or Thomas. I also prefer Mitchell, even though he probably has as many detractors as those who don't want Coleman. And naturally, if we do take him, I hope he will be a smashing success. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: It would be so “Billsy” to acknowledge you need to get more explosive on offense, only to draft someone slower that Gabe Davis…😉 At least he would CATCH THE BALL!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: Well this is just flat out not true. Even his critics would say those are his two best traits. I would on the YAC. I wouldn't on the hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 7 hours ago, Beck Water said: Please educate me: why not? 16 hours ago, H2o said: I, personally, don't like him because of the same things KDIGGZ was talking about. He doesn't really separate. He's not really going to give you anything after the catch. He basically uses his body to box out smaller DB's. It worked in college to a certain extent, and it's not bad to have in the Red Zone, but it's not 1st Round, #28 worthy in hopes that he is going to become a legit boundary threat in the NFL. He'll be average at best. A 3rd or 4th WR. More than 1/3 of his season yardage totals and TD's came in 2 games, LSU and against Syracuse. He played in 10 others to the tune of 396 yards and 7 TD's. He's the college version of what Gabe Davis was for us in the NFL. I'd be extremely disappointed if Beane turned in that card. If you read through the thread, you will see my short discussion with mannc on this topic. We need that go-to, game breaker WR. Not a guy who is on fire 2 weeks out of 12. We just had one of those, the NFL version. That's a pass from me. Edited April 12 by H2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 13 minutes ago, H2o said: If you read through the thread, you will see my short discussion with mannc on this topic. We need that go-to, game breaker WR. Not a guy who is on fire 2 weeks out of 12. We just had one of those, the NFL version. That's a pass from me. My comp for Keon is a slightly better Gabe Davis. That is who I see. And if you think back to his rookie year when Gabe played some big slot as well as some boundary receiver you saw some of the ways you can move Coleman around and use the bigger body. I think Keon does have better hands than Gabe and I think he give you more YAC potential with the ball in his hands. But in terms of his limitations as a separator and a route runner and the inconsistency you see in contested catch scenarios on his tape.... it is very Gabe to me. I had a 3rd on Gabe back in 2020, I have a higher grade on Keon (a late 2nd) - I do think he'd be an upgrade on Gabe - but I don't think he has anything like #1 receiver potential. He is a solid #2 as his ceiling IMO. That isn't worth a first round pick. I've mentioned it before and I mocked it in my v1.0 two rounder but I really like the fit with the Saints where I think his skillset is the perfect compliment for Chris Olave. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokes84 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 18 hours ago, H2o said: Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE. I love the pre-draft hot takes. I remember A LOT that looked just like this about Josh Allen. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stokes84 said: I love the pre-draft hot takes. I remember A LOT that looked just like this about Josh Allen. Did you just compare Keon Coleman to JA17 in a roundabout way? I don't think I've heard anyone say Keon has the "potential" to be the generational talent like they did with Josh at the QB position. You saw the flashes of brilliance with Josh. I can't say that there is anything "generational" I have seen from Coleman. It's not a hot take, it's what you see on film. He has trouble separating. He also is not very consistent like GB mentions above in his route running and whatnot. A lot of the times you see the hand-fighting and push-offs so he can have enough separation to get the ball at the catch point. Now does he do well with the ball in the air, and contested catches? Yes. But we need a guy who can shake free and get loose from any defender, who is also more than what Keon Coleman is. GB says late 2nd, but I wouldn't spend anything higher than a 3rd. We don't have a 3rd (thanks NFL). Now take into account, this below is a "highlight reel" so it doesn't show the disappearing act that would take place. It doesn't show him being locked down by opposing DB's or him not being able to shake coverage. But even in the highlights, you see what I'm talking about. Edited April 12 by H2o 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 12 hours ago, HappyDays said: Well this is just flat out not true. Even his critics would say those are his two best traits. Not from what I’ve studied. And just because YAC is his best trait doesn’t mean he’s good at it. I’ve said all along the last 6 months, Coleman is Gabe Davis 2.0 Edited April 12 by DJB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Stokes84 said: I love the pre-draft hot takes. I remember A LOT that looked just like this about Josh Allen. That doesn't mean anything other than the future is an unknown, and the draft an uncertain science. Some folks think you should never trade up for WR because Sammy Watkins, and others counter with Julio Jones. A lot of it has to do with particular fit with what a team needs, and the coaching staff available, injury luck, for a WR the QB in place. Coleman runs a 4.6, doesn't have explosive separation, needs to play in a big slot probably to be successful, so he would take snaps from Kincaid. You want to make a case for other side, have at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 The more i think about it, i think we should just let the board fall to us or even trade back, get a couple extra picks and make a splash in the 2nd and 3rd (if we end up getting a 3rd round pick with trades). 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 17 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I am betting we trade 28 to Carllina for 33 and a 3rd. 1st pick of the 2nd round which gives us tons of ammo. I’m betting that doesn’t happen. It would be a massive overpay by Carolina. A move from 33 to 28 would be worth less than their fourth round pick at 101. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I’m betting that doesn’t happen. It would be a massive overpay by Carolina. A move from 33 to 28 would be worth less than their fourth round pick at 101. I got to thinking about that. We would have to toss in some lower picks, but it would be worth it. If not, I think Washington as 2 picks in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds. 10 hours ago, Beck Water said: I think it's worth considering how the Bills acquired their all-pro caliber starting safeties. Green Bay had 5th round pick Micah Hyde playing nickel corner and backup at safety - couldn't really decide what he was. He bounced between nickelback and starting at free or strong safety when a starter was injured. He played out his rookie contract, and they let him walk. The Eagles released 7th round pick Poyer and the Browns picked him up as a backup safety. It took 3 years for him to work his way into the starting lineup, then he lacerated his kidney, they IR'd him, and let him walk. I think Beane has a lot of confidence in their ability to identify talent at DB in later rounds. Whether that's "good enough", I don't know. We can grab safeties in the 4th - 7th rounds and let them develop. Edited April 12 by SoonerBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 30 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I’m betting that doesn’t happen. It would be a massive overpay by Carolina. A move from 33 to 28 would be worth less than their fourth round pick at 101. Have we decided if it’s better or worse to have a first round pick (along with the 5th year option) vs an early second? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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