Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Prospector said: You could actually use both 'then' and 'than' in this sentence, and it still would make sense... funny I rather talk football than worry about grammar. I rather talk football than worry about grammar. Well it was a joke. This makes it an even better joke. At least to me. 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I see your takes as bad as your ability to use your native language 🤣 My takes are better than yours. See I’m learning. Thank you. Wait, should there be a comma between see and I’m? Edited February 5 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 1/29/2024 at 3:39 PM, Buffalo619 said: Factory of sadness. Where careers go to die… Careful now, although you're not totally wrong. Since they came back in 1999, definitely a struggle for Cleveland. Two horrible ownership groups (Lerner, Haslam). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: He and Stefanski are "working through who calls the plays still" Not many freshly hired OCs would walk into a situation with this statement. A bit odd. When you get hired, you'd think they'd have OC role's scope pinned down. Poor Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Happy for Ken Dorsey but he's got the mission impossible there. Watson will get fat and literally sit back and collect paychecks. He got paid, and that's all he cares about. He will give the Browns a September/October of games and then it is on to Operation Shutdown_2024. It wasn't Alex Van Pelt's fault that Watson is an oft-injured mediocre quarterback. That's the entire plan. Edited February 5 by dpberr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I rather talk football than worry about grammar. I'd rather talk football than worry about grammar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I'd rather talk football than worry about grammar. apparently not, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 1/28/2024 at 6:22 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: That’s fine. He’s still a better offensive coordinator then Joe Brady. How do you explain the immediate and dramatic turn around to the offense the game after Dorsey was fired? And the fact that it was not just a one game turn around, but that it continued for the rest of the season? Looking forward to hearing your take, the facts surrounding the change, and why YOU think the extremely positive changes occurred so quickly and continued AD, to the end of the season.. 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I rather talk football than worry about grammar. "I'd rather talk football..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: How do you explain the immediate and dramatic turn around to the offense the game after Dorsey was fired? And the fact that it was not just a one game turn around, but that it continued for the rest of the season? Looking forward to hearing your take, the facts surrounding the change, and why YOU think the extremely positive changes occurred so quickly and continued AD, to the end of the season.. Bills have slumped before and turned it around. In fact I predicted it. Obviously I didn’t predict Dorsey would be fired but I thought they’d get out of the funk and that Josh would run again when it’s crunch time. They obviously called the game differently. Brady called the game like we had zero WR talent and couldn’t run an NFL passing offense. Dorsey called it like we had an elite all pro QB and elite passing weapons. I prefer Dorsey’s approach. We’ll see what happens. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills have slumped before and turned it around. In fact I predicted it. Obviously I didn’t predict Dorsey would be fired but I thought they’d get out of the funk and that Josh would run again when it’s crunch time. They obviously called the game differently. Brady called the game like we had zero WR talent and couldn’t run an NFL passing offense. Dorsey called it like we had an elite all pro QB and elite passing weapons. I prefer Dorsey’s approach. We’ll see what happens. Statistically, Dorsey's offense did everything right. It was a Swiss timepiece. The problem is that when a single gear stopped working, the whole thing shut down. I do not hate the system that Dorsey implemented (though it seems like most Daboll's scheme), but I screamed at shotgun draws on 2nd and 3rd and long, whole quarters where the offense just didn't show up. Do we forget the first Jets game? People want to slam Brady for the short passes, WR screens, but Dorsey had Josh throwing the ball behind the line and the Jets were just smacking our players at the line vs Brady who was actually moving the ball vs the Chiefs. Are you forgetting when the Bills didn't score until the 4th quarter against the Giants? Three points in the first half against the Patriots, one of the worst teams in the league? When things didn't go right for Brady (and they went wrong) he would stop trying anything fancy and pound it to see what it got and most of the time it worked. The Bills are a Chris Jones hitting Josh as he throws, and Tyler Bass making a chip shot away from the Bills putting 27 or 31 points on one the best defenses this year. (take the crosser to Diggs Josh) Because he exploited the Chief's run defense, and when they overcompensated to adjust he drew up beautiful blitz beaters. We NEVER saw that from Dorsey this year. When things went wrong, it was a wrench in a GM Assembly plant. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponch Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 In other news…. jFK has been shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 @26CornerBlitz We took the wrong Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I heard Jim Kelly retired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Mister Defense said: How do you explain the immediate and dramatic turn around to the offense the game after Dorsey was fired? We won more, but the offense averaged about the same amount of points per game. 27.1 with Brady and 26.2 with Brady. Definitely a better mix of run/pass though. Though I think we ran a bit too much at times with Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShakAttack Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Statistically, Dorsey's offense did everything right. It was a Swiss timepiece. The problem is that when a single gear stopped working, the whole thing shut down. I do not hate the system that Dorsey implemented (though it seems like most Daboll's scheme), but I screamed at shotgun draws on 2nd and 3rd and long, whole quarters where the offense just didn't show up. Do we forget the first Jets game? People want to slam Brady for the short passes, WR screens, but Dorsey had Josh throwing the ball behind the line and the Jets were just smacking our players at the line vs Brady who was actually moving the ball vs the Chiefs. Are you forgetting when the Bills didn't score until the 4th quarter against the Giants? Three points in the first half against the Patriots, one of the worst teams in the league? When things didn't go right for Brady (and they went wrong) he would stop trying anything fancy and pound it to see what it got and most of the time it worked. The Bills are a Chris Jones hitting Josh as he throws, and Tyler Bass making a chip shot away from the Bills putting 27 or 31 points on one the best defenses this year. (take the crosser to Diggs Josh) Because he exploited the Chief's run defense, and when they overcompensated to adjust he drew up beautiful blitz beaters. We NEVER saw that from Dorsey this year. When things went wrong, it was a wrench in a GM Assembly plant. Just when I thought I had made it through the first 24-hour period (since the KC game) without a flashback to this play. Thank you for that. And I agree btw, which is why I had such an insanely difficult time with it when it happened. I was yelling & pointing frantically at my TV "DIGGS!!! HE'S WIDE OPEN!!!!!" and when Allen released the ball, I was certain it was going to Diggs. Smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills have slumped before and turned it around. In fact I predicted it. Obviously I didn’t predict Dorsey would be fired but I thought they’d get out of the funk and that Josh would run again when it’s crunch time. They obviously called the game differently. Brady called the game like we had zero WR talent and couldn’t run an NFL passing offense. Dorsey called it like we had an elite all pro QB and elite passing weapons. I prefer Dorsey’s approach. We’ll see what happens. Ok, but didn't we already see that this year, the outcome of the change? Anyone watching the games would likely agree it was a much improved offense, and so, overall team, IMMEDIATELY after the change--and to the end of the year. It would seem that these last months, rather than what occurs in the future, would be the measuring stick. But I think we can assume that with an off season to actually implement much more of his scheme and processes, it will look even better next year. Too bad Dorsey will not actually be the OC, not call the plays for the Browns, but just act as an assistant. Looking forward to what happens there, how long he lasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 hours ago, Einstein said: We won more, but the offense averaged about the same amount of points per game. 27.1 with Brady and 26.2 with Brady. Definitely a better mix of run/pass though. Though I think we ran a bit too much at times with Brady. Okay, but you have to admit the offense was dying on the vine in the month+ leading up to his firing--shut out for most of the first half, often, and then always struggling to come back after being in a hole. The Denver game, his last, was more of the same, though better than some games--at least they scored a touchdown int the first half! They were starting almost every game unable to move the ball, get first downs, get into a rhythm--and score points. Clearly unprepared. Then, that all changed immediately--and stayed that way. Like Josh said, "it had to be done". He is not the kind of guy who says things like that unless he really believes there were fundamental problems with the way Dorsey ran the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Statistically, Dorsey's offense did everything right. It was a Swiss timepiece. The problem is that when a single gear stopped working, the whole thing shut down. I do not hate the system that Dorsey implemented (though it seems like most Daboll's scheme), but I screamed at shotgun draws on 2nd and 3rd and long, whole quarters where the offense just didn't show up. Do we forget the first Jets game? People want to slam Brady for the short passes, WR screens, but Dorsey had Josh throwing the ball behind the line and the Jets were just smacking our players at the line vs Brady who was actually moving the ball vs the Chiefs. Are you forgetting when the Bills didn't score until the 4th quarter against the Giants? Three points in the first half against the Patriots, one of the worst teams in the league? When things didn't go right for Brady (and they went wrong) he would stop trying anything fancy and pound it to see what it got and most of the time it worked. The Bills are a Chris Jones hitting Josh as he throws, and Tyler Bass making a chip shot away from the Bills putting 27 or 31 points on one the best defenses this year. (take the crosser to Diggs Josh) Because he exploited the Chief's run defense, and when they overcompensated to adjust he drew up beautiful blitz beaters. We NEVER saw that from Dorsey this year. When things went wrong, it was a wrench in a GM Assembly plant. yes, in way way over his head, in game planning, preparing the team during the week, in game changes, scheming to get players open, designing a running game, calling plays.... other than those minor things, he was great! The Bills had to be almost perfect, as you imply, for things to work out. So, though extremely distorted by the defenders of Dorsey, it was often about execution--if every aspect of the Bills' execution was not flawless, they broke down. Josh Allen kept them afloat the last few years under that ditz, but even that slowly declined to the point where their offense died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 52 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Ok, but didn't we already see that this year, the outcome of the change? Anyone watching the games would likely agree it was a much improved offense, and so, overall team, IMMEDIATELY after the change--and to the end of the year. It would seem that these last months, rather than what occurs in the future, would be the measuring stick. But I think we can assume that with an off season to actually implement much more of his scheme and processes, it will look even better next year. Too bad Dorsey will not actually be the OC, not call the plays for the Browns, but just act as an assistant. Looking forward to what happens there, how long he lasts. We ran the ball down teams throats. Literally something fans and local media feared our offense doing. All I heard during Daboll’s and Dorsey’s time as OC was McDermott wants to run the football more than pass it. Well that is the Joe Brady offense so far. It definitely worked. The passing game was more horizontal and short. If this is what fans want then it’s a surprise to me. It’s the exact opposite of what they’ve been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills have slumped before and turned it around. In fact I predicted it. Obviously I didn’t predict Dorsey would be fired but I thought they’d get out of the funk and that Josh would run again when it’s crunch time. They obviously called the game differently. Brady called the game like we had zero WR talent and couldn’t run an NFL passing offense. Dorsey called it like we had an elite all pro QB and elite passing weapons. I prefer Dorsey’s approach. We’ll see what happens. I think we could have found a better oc than Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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