OZBILLS Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Offensively we're ok. Could be better. Defensively we're a disgrace. The only thing keeping me going is the hope that Richie Cunningham gets fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Ya Digg? said: You don’t think there’s any reason for any optimism?? No we just had the best opportunity yet again id we were going to beat the chiefs and go to the championship game at least - last night was it Their offense was a shell of itself all season and they still walked right up and down the field on us i know the crowd was fantastic but he didn’t seem to care - they were prepared for it. I’m sure we got under their skin a little but… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Drew21PA said: No we just had the best opportunity yet again id we were going to beat the chiefs and go to the championship game at least - last night was it Their offense was a shell of itself all season and they still walked right up and down the field on us i know the crowd was fantastic but he didn’t seem to care - they were prepared for it. I’m sure we got under their skin a little but… Wasn't our defense a shell of itself also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Success said: Wasn't our defense a shell of itself also? Maybe but you can’t tell me that KC didn’t have their way - consistently when they were HORRIBLE (to their standards) this year averaging 2o a game and Mahomes had 24 in his first 5 drives bo third downs or rarely a third down - got lucky down inside the 1 on the fumble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said: I wonder if we had Nacua, if he would have even seen the field (much). McD takes his sweet time with skill players. We don't even have any idea what we have in Shorter, the WR we drafted in the fifth round instead of Nacua... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, mannc said: We don't even have any idea what we have in Shorter, the WR we drafted in the fifth round instead of Nacua... I have no faith that we'll know next year either. It would be great to find out though. Training camp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I think this team could take a step back actually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, stuvian said: How do the Rams find guys like Nacua and Kupp? The same way we found Shakir is my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The WR room needs a major fix. The defense is getting older. Milano and Tre White can’t stay healthy. I think we are headed for a light rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Me too. Optimistic that is. Josh is playing great. Kincaid, cook and shakir are all very good and potentially great playmakers on rookie contracts. Our OL is finally good and should be intact. I think we’re set at CB and LB just need S, DL and WR. the fact that we were able to have a sustainable offense without having a WR1 play like a WR1 gives me even more hope. I do worry about the Diggs situation. He has no room to pout or be a diva after his 2nd half of the season performance. Hopefully he’ll be humbled some and realize we need him to get back to himself the best he can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Nope. Our offense has been Super Bowl-worthy going on four years now. The thing that has held us back in the playoffs is our defense. Our defense has been absolutely pathetic in every single game we've been eliminated in over the past four years. Yes, Mahomes and Burrow are two of the game's best, but we provided almost zero resistance against them in those games. At one point in the 4th quarter last night, we were giving up 9.6 yards per play (think this was right before the fumble through the endzone). We were essentially giving up a 1st down on every single snap. So long as McDermott is at the helm of the defense against teams like the Chiefs and Bengals in the playoffs, I have very little hope of ever making a Super Bowl outside of a GOAT type of performance from Josh Allen (which we basically got back in the 13 seconds game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, stuvian said: How do the Rams find guys like Nacua and Kupp? How do the Chiefs draft busts like Hardman and Skyy Moore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, stuvian said: How do the Rams find guys like Nacua and Kupp? I'll see your Nacua and raise you a Benford Bills have done it too. That's the downside of the Elam situation. Posters blast him that was beat out by a 6th rounder. Reality is Benford is just one of these guys who fell through the small school crack. Doesn't make Elam bad, just makes Benford very very good! Granted if Elam again this coming year does nothing, then a different story. But right now was beat out by Benford as a rookie, just shows how good Benford was, year two he was either playing hurt or on IR most of season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 hours ago, HaldimandBills said: I may be overly optimistic. I may be a fool. I do believe the Bills as they transition to the second stage of Josh Allen's career are not going to see the drop off and chaos that other teams deal with when having to release players due to pricing themselves out of the salary cap. My reasoning is I think the Bills and more importantly Brandon Beane discovered something this year observing the team and the NFL as a whole. The Bills have definitely shown a greater focus towards adding talent to the defense and it has come at the expense of the offense. As we see a lot of the veteran defensive players age out and move on, it sets up a unique opportunity for the Bills to shift more cap towards offensive weapons. I think at the very least this season we saw McDermott show he can do more with a lot less talent on defense. (I am aware a lot of you want him gone. I don't think he is going anywhere) Under Beane we saw numerous drafts where we spent high end picks on the defense and tried to make do with players drafted in the later rounds on the offense. Beane must realize after witnessing the poor play of our outside receivers that this team isn't going too far unless they add legit top end talent to the offensive side of the ball. He has a phenomenal start with Cook, Kincaid, Shakir an offensive line that should be together another 5 seasons. Minus Morse. Find guys later in the draft that McDermott can turn into capable starters on the defensive side of the ball. Start giving Josh outside weapons and guys who put pressure on the secondary and beat zone consistently on all three levels and man coverage. The future isn't shot. The Bills haven't come close to maximizing Josh's talent on offense. For all the money we have poured into the defense it still hasn't come close to having key stops when we have needed it in the playoffs. Let's just build a juggernaut on offense instead of a Josh Allen Superman show on offense. Offense wins in this league. Not surprising Mahomes best seasons were with Hill and a younger Kelce. That Lamar is having his best year when the Ravens went and got him reciever talent. That Burrow has been the only QB to beat Mahomes with insane reciever talent. To win you need a top flight QB and a great cast of reciever talent around him. Bills have never surrounded Josh with top reciever talent outside Diggs. Time to get on that. Starting this off season. This is a good post. You'll get downvoted because the average fan is a slave to their emotions and will make this place insufferable all offseason. We lost a heavyweight slugging match the other night. It happens. So the negatives become magnified. The thought process should be....who do we need to get rid of that's holding us back. The emotional fans say McDermott, but I don't think that's the answer. Bass needs to go, Gabe needs to go, and we need to look around for OCs besides Brady. Sign him if there's nobody better, but we should shop around. Another poster mentioned a new system for Allen that's far different from the Daboll system. I think that's a great idea and the first place we should look. Start adding top notch offensive talent and these close losses will turn into comfortable wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Beane has his hands full this offseason. Aging defense and an overall below average WR group under contract. It's going to be interesting to see what Beane does this offseason. A lot of pressure on him with the draft. With their cap situation I don't expect the Bills to be major players in FA, so he is going to have to hit a HR in the draft to improve this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaldimandBills Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 Just now, Gregg said: It's going to be interesting to see what Beane does this offseason. A lot of pressure on him with the draft. With their cap situation I don't expect the Bills to be major players in FA, so he is going to have to hit a HR in the draft to improve this team. I think this offseason starts and ends with adding premium offensive talent and finding guys to fill in the gaps on defense who can be developed. Bills need to seriously consider releasing White, Morse, and trading Diggs. This season is the reset season for the cap. I fall firmly in the camp that the Bills must use 2 of their first 3 picks on a receiver. Bills can't afford to mess around with this position group anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I think any coach could get us into the playoffs w/ Allens talent tbh. Weve seen time and time again Mcdermott get outcoached by the better coaches. Rather try someone new knowing Allen can pretty much mask our inefficiencies. You have to take a risk to raise the standard. If everyone played it safe, nobody would have drafted Allen or Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said: I think this offseason starts and ends with adding premium offensive talent and finding guys to fill in the gaps on defense who can be developed. Bills need to seriously consider releasing White, Morse, and trading Diggs. This season is the reset season for the cap. I fall firmly in the camp that the Bills must use 2 of their first 3 picks on a receiver. Bills can't afford to mess around with this position group anymore. I think White's days as a Bill are over. Coming back from two ACL's has to be tough. Who knows if he can come back and be close to the player he used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, Gregg said: I think White's days as a Bill are over. Coming back from two ACL's has to be tough. Who knows if he can come back and be close to the player he used to be. I think that it is likely the Bills move on. The big issue is that to keep Tre the Bills will have to bet $10.4M on him returning to form. $1.5M of that is due by 3/17. 16 hours ago, stuvian said: How do the Rams find guys like Nacua and Kupp? Nacua was injured a lot in college. He had some great tape, but tested for crap due to coming off injury. He’s the kind of player you live to roll the dice on come day 3 of the draft. Big hit or obvious flame out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Nope. Our offense has been Super Bowl-worthy going on four years now. The thing that has held us back in the playoffs is our defense. Our defense has been absolutely pathetic in every single game we've been eliminated in over the past four years. Yes, Mahomes and Burrow are two of the game's best, but we provided almost zero resistance against them in those games. True, they've struggled badly. The reason Cincinnati beat KC and got to a SB is because the Bengals defense forced Mahomes into the worst half of his playoff life. You need offense, and with Allen the Bills will have good offense. Josh Allen's career playoff stats are better than his regular season stats in a lot of area. He elevates his game. The D and special teams unfortunately shrinks,,,in part due to schemes, coaching, injuries, playing against world class QBs....Pick a reason, they shrink against Mahomes and Burrow. But truthfully, Mahomes just might be the best ever and does it to a lot of teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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