QB Bills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) The Chiefs faced third down only 5 times throughout the game. Did a quick google check and that's only happened 9 other times in the last 25 years. And the crazy thing is, they only converted one of those 5. There are individual drives that have 5 third downs on the regular. Just an epic meltdown on the defensive side of the ball. Not meaning to make this another fire McDermott thread, but he got absolutely schooled yet again in the playoffs. Yes they had injuries, but not nearly enough to excuse this level of futility. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/which-team-has-the-fewest-3rd-down-attempts-in-a-game Edited January 22 by QB Bills removed the 4th down stat 4 1 1 14 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, QB Bills said: The Chiefs faced third down only 5 times throughout the game and did not face a 4th down. Did a quick google check and that's only happened 7 other times in the last 25 years. And the crazy thing is, they only converted one of those 5. There are individual drives that have 5 third downs on the regular. Just an epic meltdown on the defensive side of the ball. Not meaning to make this another fire McDermott thread, but he got absolutely schooled yet again in the playoffs. Yes they had injuries, but not nearly enough to excuse this level of futility. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/which-team-has-the-fewest-3rd-down-attempts-in-a-game They faced a fourth down with 8+ minutes to go in the fourth. They punted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhh9327 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Fully agree. The first 5 offensive drives we score 24 points without the benefit of any short fields against a healthy top 3 defense that only gave up 24 points or more in an entire game twice the whole year. Yet when the offense comes back out for drive number 6 we are behind by 3. The D simply had to do better and that is on McDermott. Yes, they were important injuries, but the Dolphins defense was decimated even more than ours and did a better job last week. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Actually I think the injuries were a pretty good excuse. Our MLB shouldn't even be in the NFL, no team wanted him. Losing 2 great mlb, Douglass didn't look 100%, obviously missed Benford, Von not close to 100%. Injuries were significant. Rapp out was significant as Hyde and Poyer are finished. Edited January 22 by klos63 5 1 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They faced a fourth down with 8+ minutes to go in the fourth. They punted. You're right. I had to check that myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, jhh9327 said: Fully agree. The first 5 offensive drives we score 24 points without the benefit of any short fields against a healthy top 3 defense that only gave up 24 points or more in an entire game twice the whole year. Yet when the offense comes back out for drive number 6 we are behind by 3. The D simply had to do better and that is on McDermott. Yes, they were important injuries, but the Dolphins defense was decimated even more than ours and did a better job last week. But it wasn't missing guys in the middle that plays right into the Chiefs strengths. It is about matchups. Their two best offensive players this year - Kelce and Pacheco - operate exactly in the area the Bills were shorn of talent. 4 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: They faced a fourth down with 8+ minutes to go in the fourth. They punted. You are correct. I meant a 4th down that they attempted to convert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 They were horrible, yes. Unfortunately, I fully expect that Beane and McDermott will overreact to it and heavily prioritize defense again this offseason, with the same futile results. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Not nearly enough injuries? Are you kidding? I am actually impressed McDermott did what he did with what he had the last 6 weeks. This game was not going to be a defensive battle given the QB we were facing. Allen had the ball and game in his hands and I am not saying he is not good or can't do it or anything, but he botched it as bad as Bass botched the field goal. He had the opportunity and missed. That's not on the defense, they gave us the opportunity with two huge stops at the end. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Actually I think the injuries were a pretty good excuse. Our MLB shouldn't even be in the NFL, no team wanted him. Losing 2 great mlb, Douglass didn't look 100%, obviously missed Benford, Von not close to 100%. Injuries were significant. Then why did we wait to have Neal in the game? Excuses were good until we tried too late to find the answer. ... And guess what? It worked. Neal 1 on 1 at the line with Kelce. In pregame they mentioned it with Kelce being upset early in the season and screaming at Reid on the sideline. Kelce needs a clean release for his timing and for his ability to scheme himself open based on the defense. It's clear Kelce doesn't adapt well when a wrench is thrown at him. At the earliest signs we should have thrown the wrench: Neal. Sure the Chiefs would have probably run for a little more but so what? Running wasn't winning the game for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhh9327 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: But it wasn't missing guys in the middle that plays right into the Chiefs strengths. It is about matchups. Their two best offensive players this year - Kelce and Pacheco - operate exactly in the area the Bills were shorn of talent. Except that isn't true. The Dolphins lost 3 linebackers for the season in week 18 against us. The Dolphins were truly decimated on D outside of Ramsay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Brandon said: They were horrible, yes. Unfortunately, I fully expect that Beane and McDermott will overreact to it and heavily prioritize defense again this offseason, with the same futile results. What should they prioritize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Reid is better than McDermott There were no injuries on the DL and they gutted us in the run game. How do you draft a LB in the third round and he's not able to play? Klein was terrible all game long and yet a young athletic LB only rarely saw the field. Hate McDermott. He's ruined the best years of Allen. 2 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Running with 3rd-string linebackers and without any depth left at safety or corner to use as the additional big-nickel, what did you expect. The Bills were simply decimated in the back seven. No coaching can fix that. And that's a ton of pressure to put on a front four. You had to know that going in. But yeah... fire the coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 What is puzzling to me, is that the LBs and secondary were banged up bad, and thus we could expect a Kelce and passing fest from KC. Instead, the healthy DLine, and backup LBs that are good against the run, got destroyed on the ground. The Bills run offense also destroyed KC's defense but they had more stops. I think KC had 7 plays of 20+ yards and the Bills.... ZERO. These dropped passes of course matter but still, that was the difference. Even if the Bills outgained KC on the ground, and had lots of 7-8 yards gainers, they also had 0 yarders, while KC seem to run at will, even at the very end when it was obvious they would. I just can't understand why the Bills run defense was again awful as in the recent past. Is it the schemes or the players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, klos63 said: What should they prioritize? Wide receiver. The same thing they should have the last two offseasons. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, klos63 said: What should they prioritize? Actual Wrs, and a HC to develop them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, QB Bills said: Yes they had injuries, but not nearly enough to excuse this level of futility. They went in Defensively, resigned to the fact they couldn’t compete. Zero energy, zero want to….. just defeated. From the Defensive Master himself? He will never win in a big game where the other coach is good to great. Josh is being wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86poker Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Can't wait for the all-22 footage to come out for this game. I don't think we chipped Kelce with a DE off the LOS at all tonight(we did in the regular season game, but not in this game). We didn't generate a pass rush, why not at the very least disrupt the timing of there #1 target (especially in the redzone) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, boyst said: Then why did we wait to have Neal in the game? Excuses were good until we tried too late to find the answer. ... And guess what? It worked. Neal 1 on 1 at the line with Kelce. In pregame they mentioned it with Kelce being upset early in the season and screaming at Reid on the sideline. Kelce needs a clean release for his timing and for his ability to scheme himself open based on the defense. It's clear Kelce doesn't adapt well when a wrench is thrown at him. At the earliest signs we should have thrown the wrench: Neal. Sure the Chiefs would have probably run for a little more but so what? Running wasn't winning the game for them. I stated early in game when it was clear that Klein is not athletic enough to do what was needed that we should needed a better athlete on the field, I suggested Elam but Neal is a great athlete also. I am not sure if we win anyways but the current guy was not getting it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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