BillsFanForever19 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Below is the complete list of players that we have under contract next season, by position. Players in italics have an out in their contract after this season: QB: Josh Allen RB: James Cook Nyheim Hines FB: Reggie Gilliam WR: Stefon Diggs Khalil Shakir Deonte Harty Justin Shorter Andy Isabella K.J. Hamler Tyrell Shavers Bryan Thompson TE: Dalton Kincaid Dawson Knox Zach Davidson Tre Mc'Kitty OL: Dion Dawkins Connor McGovern Mitch Morse O'Cyrus Torrence Spencer Brown - Ryan Bates Ryan Van Demark Tommy Doyle Alec Anderson Richard Gouraige Kevin Jarvis DE: Von Miller Greg Rousseau Kingsley Jonathan Kameron Cline DT: Ed Oliver LB: Matt Milano Terrel Bernard Dorian Williams Baylon Spector CB: Rasul Douglas Christian Benford Tre'Davious White Taron Johnson Kaiir Elam Siran Neal Ja'Marcus Ingram Kyron Brown S: Jordan Poyer Damar Hamlin Kendall Williamson ST: Tyler Bass Sam Martin Reid Ferguson We currently sit $41.4 million over the cap. I'm sure Beane has different restructure and cut plans in place already to get us under. But there is a lot of work to be done. Though it is good to see so much of our core in place. EDIT: Here's the list of guys who will be Free Agents, by position (Practice Squad players not included) - QB: Kyle Allen RB: Damien Harris Latavius Murray Ty Johnson WR: Gabe Davis Trent Sherfield TE: Quintin Morris (ERFA) OL: David Edwards DE: Leonard Floyd A.J. Epenesa Shaq Lawson DT: Daquan Jones Jordan Phillips Linval Joseph Tim Settle Poona Ford LB: Tyrel Dodson Tyler Matakevitch CB: Dane Jackson Cam Lewis S: Micah Hyde Taylor Rapp Edited January 22 by BillsFanForever19 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 This will be Poyer and Tre Whites last year in Buffalo 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 27 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: This will be Poyer and Tre Whites last year in Buffalo Agreed. It's sad White will go out this way. But there's no way we can pay him in 2024 and 2025 what we're scheduled to pay him in the condition he's in. Being injured, it will have to come in the form of a settlement. But in the situation we're in, we need space anywhere we can get it and with the injuries he sustained, we can't continue to pay him what we signed him to before those injuries happened. And we've already replaced him in the Starting Lineup and are in relatively good shape at CB as a whole. Poyer is a little trickier. Releasing him would leave us absolutely nowhere at Safety. But he has a 7.5m cap hit next season and I don't think he's playing to that and we can likely find a better option cheaper and save some cap on top of it. I think Harty and Bates are probably gone as well. Though with Bates, maybe we can restructure his deal or he'd take a pay cut. He is very important depth. Martin has performed well at times, but his release could save a little in 2024 and another 2.28 in 2025 and it is only the Punter position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Good thing we have 9 draft picks this year..... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Poyer is a little trickier. Releasing him would leave us absolutely nowhere at Safety. But he has a 7.5m cap hit next season and I don't think he's playing to that and we can likely find a better option cheaper and save some cap on top of it. I think Harty and Bates are probably gone as well. Though with Bates, maybe we can restructure his deal or he'd take a pay cut. He is very important depth. They are cash strapped so moving on from Morse could be an option iMO … he ain’t getting any younger .. If they go the other way and keep Morse 1 more year ..then Bates actually has some trade value in my view … he can start at a variety of positions and his contract value is low for two years … Poyer may stay anither year given the Safety room is bare and they love having a veteran in every position group … I would have liked them to replace him this year to be honest … Harty has been one of the biggest disappointments of the season and is gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Trade QB1 for Skelton 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 The most important question: can Elam play safety? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 15 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: The most important question: can Elam play safety? Wonder if Bedford is the best to move to S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 (edited) On 1/3/2024 at 10:26 PM, BuffBillsForLife said: The most important question: can Elam play safety? We require a lot out of our Safeties in McDermott's Defense. And I don't see them going from thinking "he's not one of our Top 4 Outside CB's" to "we can covert him into a Starting Safety". On 1/3/2024 at 10:42 PM, freddyjj said: Wonder if Bedford is the best to move to S? That ship sailed when he beat out Elam and Jackson to become unquestioned starter at CB and White being injured and most likely moved on from. Benford is now entrenched as a long term starter opposite Rasul Douglas. We're not going to move a very good young starting CB to Safety. Easier and cheaper to replace a hole at Safety than it is to replace a competent starting CB. Edited January 6 by BillsFanForever19 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisWatson#21 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, BuffBillsForLife said: The most important question: can Elam play safety? If he brings his notebook to camp he will make the transition in no time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewmylegoff Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Overthecap suggests there is an out in Hines’ contract - indeed he looks like the most obvious cut with a $5m cap saving. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 10 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said: This will be Poyer and Tre Whites last year in Buffalo And Hyde 7 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said: The most important question: can Elam play safety? His skills are better for a corner. The most important question about him is can he play corner? And can the Bills trust him. Busts happen to all teams, not saying he is there for sure but it is heading that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Yea the counter balance for the $41m over the cap is 44 players under contract which is among the highest in the NFL. The maths has been done before but there are ways to get under the cap without taking any of the really hard decisions. The question is how much are they willing to take those decisions to give them the flexibility to re-make parts of the roster (secondary particularly). 8 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said: The most important question: can Elam play safety? No. The biggest flaw in his game is his transitions (i.e go from moving backwards to moving forwards or from moving laterally to moving vertically). If you can't transition smoothly as a safety you are toast. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 10 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said: This will be Poyer and Tre Whites last year in Buffalo And Mitch Morris , Nyhiem Hines, Siran Neal’s last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 10 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said: This will be Poyer and Tre Whites last year in Buffalo I think it's Tre White's last year in Buffalo...at that salary. Now they could outright release him but I have a feeling that they will offer him a straight up pay cut before go that route. Of course, it's his call as to if he would agree to it, but it may be in his best interest. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 26 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I think it's Tre White's last year in Buffalo...at that salary. Now they could outright release him but I have a feeling that they will offer him a straight up pay cut before go that route. Of course, it's his call as to if he would agree to it, but it may be in his best interest. I think they give him the option for a pay cut also. And imo he’ll take it. 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea the counter balance for the $41m over the cap is 44 players under contract which is among the highest in the NFL. The maths has been done before but there are ways to get under the cap without taking any of the really hard decisions. The question is how much are they willing to take those decisions to give them the flexibility to re-make parts of the roster (secondary particularly). No. The biggest flaw in his game is his transitions (i.e go from moving backwards to moving forwards or from moving laterally to moving vertically). If you can't transition smoothly as a safety you are toast. Aren’t you a bigger liability if you have these issues at CB? So wouldn’t S be the lesser of 2 evils? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I think it's Tre White's last year in Buffalo...at that salary. Now they could outright release him but I have a feeling that they will offer him a straight up pay cut before go that route. Of course, it's his call as to if he would agree to it, but it may be in his best interest. Tre gonna need to take a pay cut whether he stays here or not. I’m hopeful they can work something out to give him another shot while here. He’s been a great fit for this fanbase and organization from day 1. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said: And Mitch Morris , Nyhiem Hines, Siran Neal’s last year. The name’s Morse -unless you’re talking about your cat. He & Neal will return for the Bills. Such a sad development for Nyhiem.. Edited January 4 by Chandler#81 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Chewmylegoff said: Overthecap suggests there is an out in Hines’ contract - indeed he looks like the most obvious cut with a $5m cap saving. I believe the Bills may bring Hines back as KR/PR and RB. His $5M cap hit has no guaranteed money so Bills may guarantee some of his salary along with a pay cut. Hines may replace Hardy on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yea the counter balance for the $41m over the cap is 44 players under contract which is among the highest in the NFL. The maths has been done before but there are ways to get under the cap without taking any of the really hard decisions. The question is how much are they willing to take those decisions to give them the flexibility to re-make parts of the roster (secondary particularly). Joe Marino had Greg Thompsett on his podcast a couple of weeks ago. Thompsett stated the Bills were $29M over the cap for 2024. He did not cite where he the number came from. Thompsett said the Bills could make a few salary moves with Allen, Diggs and McGovern to get under the cap. Bills have 9 draft picks but will get awarded another one for Edmunds. 44 players under contract is a great start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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