Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) Wow...this one likely won't age well based on Patricia's track record outside New England... https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/nfl/report-eagles-replace-sean-desai-with-matt-patricia-amid-defensive-struggles/3723981/#:~:text=The Eagles have replaced defensive,Patricia%2C a league source confirmed. Edited December 18, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Wow...this one likely won't age well based on Patricia's track record outside New England... https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/nfl/report-eagles-replace-sean-desai-with-matt-patricia-amid-defensive-struggles/3723981/#:~:text=The Eagles have replaced defensive,Patricia%2C a league source confirmed. This gave me a double-take. I hadn't even realized that Philly brought Patricia onboard as an assistant. I do think Patricia is a strong defensive coordinator but sucked as a HC. Patricia's track record outside NE is as a HC, then he came back to work for NE on the offensive side of the ball and that was a disaster. But when he stays in his defensive lane, I think he's pretty sound. He had top-10 defenses in NE from 2012 to 2017. Of course with NE, you never know how much was the assistant and how much was Belicheck, and, during that era, how much was Brady and the refs. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, Beck Water said: This gave me a double-take. I hadn't even realized that Philly brought Patricia onboard as an assistant. I do think Patricia is a strong defensive coordinator but sucked as a HC. Patricia's track record outside NE is as a HC, then he came back to work for NE on the offensive side of the ball and that was a disaster. But when he stays in his defensive lane, I think he's pretty sound. He had top-10 defenses in NE from 2012 to 2017. Of course with NE, you never know how much was the assistant and how much was Belicheck, and, during that era, how much was Brady and the refs. I can’t even say Matt Patricia at OC was a disaster when bill O’Brien is doing even worse 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan in MD Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Patricia calling NE's offense last year has to go down as one of the weirdest coaching decisions ever. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Promoting the league's hottest offensive coordinator to lead your defense is some out of the box thinking. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I hope this doesn't do for their D what brady has done for the Bills offense ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: This gave me a double-take. I hadn't even realized that Philly brought Patricia onboard as an assistant. I do think Patricia is a strong defensive coordinator but sucked as a HC. Patricia's track record outside NE is as a HC, then he came back to work for NE on the offensive side of the ball and that was a disaster. But when he stays in his defensive lane, I think he's pretty sound. He had top-10 defenses in NE from 2012 to 2017. Of course with NE, you never know how much was the assistant and how much was Belicheck, and, during that era, how much was Brady and the refs. Everyone wants to get in their little jab by calling Patricia a OC. That was an incredibly strange move by Belichick and that hubris is largely why it appears New England is going to fire him in 3 more games. Regardless as stated Patricia had a relatively strong background in NE as DC, although when he branched out on his own in Detroit the results weren’t pretty. What surprises me more is that Philly made the switch to begin with, only because Sean Desai was thought of to be a rising star and a potential HC candidate. His defense has certainly struggled but they never had good inside LB’s and were suspect in the secondary. But you have to think that this is the end of Desai in Philly. Unless Patricia sucks (which is possible) you can’t go back to Desai. And if you were Desai, would you want to go back after getting the rug pulled from under you? All signs point to him leaving Philly. It should also be noted that Philadelphia has only scored 13 and 19 points when facing Dallas and SF the past two weeks. While the defense hasn’t been good, the offense has also been far below its standard against contenders. Maybe Nick Sirianni should have fired himself?!?!?!? 1 minute ago, T master said: I hope this doesn't do for their D what brady has done for the Bills offense ... Wouldn’t surprised me to see a little boost. The DL is freaking stacked so they should get more out of that unit. Aside from that the LB’s are bad and just about everyone in the secondary other that Byard are suspect. Maybe Shaq Leonard makes a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Wow...this one likely won't age well based on Patricia's track record outside New England... https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/nfl/report-eagles-replace-sean-desai-with-matt-patricia-amid-defensive-struggles/3723981/#:~:text=The Eagles have replaced defensive,Patricia%2C a league source confirmed. This is very surprising with how late in the season the change is being made. Eagles are still on the path to the playoffs and messing with the key staff positions is highly risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 This was a poor move. There's a lot of film on Patricia's defensive strategies, and he's not a guy who adjusts the strategy ever. Seattle will have a good idea of what's coming. Eagles have slow linebackers and an old secondary outside Blankenship. Teams can dink and dunk and run to the outside all game long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bills Fan in MD said: Patricia calling NE's offense last year has to go down as one of the weirdest coaching decisions ever. Classic Belichick thinking he’s the smartest man in football. A blend of hubris and insecurity. Rather than realizing his preference of “smash mouth” football was outdated, he brought back old cronies to support him rather than hiring someone from outside the org with new ideas. Patricia and Joe as OC’s, was one of the final nails 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Classic Belichick thinking he’s the smartest man in football. A blend of hubris and insecurity. Rather than realizing his preference of “smash mouth” football was outdated, he brought back old cronies to support him rather than hiring someone from outside the org with new ideas. Patricia and Joe as OC’s, was one of the final nails And yet they did far better than O'Brien has on offense this year. Except in their first game against us. Edited December 18, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 43 minutes ago, Bills Fan in MD said: Patricia calling NE's offense last year has to go down as one of the weirdest coaching decisions ever. That signaled the beginning of the demise of Belichek, his ego got the best of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Wow...this one likely won't age well based on Patricia's track record outside New England... https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/nfl/report-eagles-replace-sean-desai-with-matt-patricia-amid-defensive-struggles/3723981/#:~:text=The Eagles have replaced defensive,Patricia%2C a league source confirmed. Roflmao his D stunk up here in NE!!! OMG the fools with all that talent and you give it to rocket scientist Patricia! OMG… I may pee myself laughing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 43 minutes ago, Bills Fan in MD said: Patricia calling NE's offense last year has to go down as one of the weirdest coaching decisions ever. Andy Reid fired Sean McDermott as DC in Philly and replaced him with Juan Castillo(yeah, the O-Line coach). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: And yet they did far better than O'Brien has on offense this year. Except in their first game against us. O line has been a mess only 1 true starting OT and he been hurt a lot this year and well the O line just started playing better and the O looks a bit better, especially the last 2 weeks against good D’s.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Andy Reid fired Sean McDermott as DC in Philly and replaced him with Juan Castillo(yeah, the O-Line coach). That would also be up there, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: Everyone wants to get in their little jab by calling Patricia a OC. That was an incredibly strange move by Belichick and that hubris is largely why it appears New England is going to fire him in 3 more games. Regardless as stated Patricia had a relatively strong background in NE as DC, although when he branched out on his own in Detroit the results weren’t pretty. What surprises me more is that Philly made the switch to begin with, only because Sean Desai was thought of to be a rising star and a potential HC candidate. His defense has certainly struggled but they never had good inside LB’s and were suspect in the secondary. But you have to think that this is the end of Desai in Philly. Unless Patricia sucks (which is possible) you can’t go back to Desai. And if you were Desai, would you want to go back after getting the rug pulled from under you? All signs point to him leaving Philly. It should also be noted that Philadelphia has only scored 13 and 19 points when facing Dallas and SF the past two weeks. While the defense hasn’t been good, the offense has also been far below its standard against contenders. Maybe Nick Sirianni should have fired himself?!?!?!? Wouldn’t surprised me to see a little boost. The DL is freaking stacked so they should get more out of that unit. Aside from that the LB’s are bad and just about everyone in the secondary other that Byard are suspect. Maybe Shaq Leonard makes a difference? If Shaq Leonard was making a difference he would still be in Indy. He is a shell of his former self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Roflmao his D stunk up here in NE!!! OMG the fools with all that talent and you give it to rocket scientist Patricia! OMG… I may pee myself laughing. Agreed. I don't understand how Patricia got the job in Detroit in the first place. The Patriots defense was 2nd worse in yards per play and 4th worse in total yards given up in Patricia's last year as D.C. in New England. Their defense also gave up 41 points to the Eagles in the Super Bowl that year. Partly the stats are due to teams playing from behind but being 31st in an important defensive metric is not good no matter how you parse it. Edited December 18, 2023 by Billy Claude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 38 minutes ago, Big Turk said: And yet they did far better than O'Brien has on offense this year. Except in their first game against us. Right… and this goes back to Bill’s outdated philosophy and being totally clueless as GM. It was clear that Mac Jones wasn’t the type of QB that could elevate the offense and needed better playmakers at WR. So Bill lets their best WR Jakobi Meyers walk and overpays his replacement JuJu, re-signs an underwhelming Devante Parker, and low balls DeAndre Hopkins. He also signs Ezekiel Elliot to be his third down back. It’s bot a surprise they were worse this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 54 minutes ago, Big Turk said: And yet they did far better than O'Brien has on offense this year. Except in their first game against us. If we had Douglas/joseph for that game I think it’s a two score win. O’Brien lucked out facing one of the worst defensive lineups in the league this year that week. I think Ed was out as well on top of no Daquan no Milano no tre white and von playing terrible in his big knee brace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Bills Fan in MD said: Patricia calling NE's offense last year has to go down as one of the weirdest coaching decisions ever. He's the one with the pictures of Kraft with Belichick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Was Sean Hochuli not available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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