Rigotz Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 The commentary on Von stood out to me, toward the beginning. Sounds like Beane & the Front Office are confident that Von will not be charged with any crime and this could potentially be a misunderstanding. Maybe we should be cautious this time around (ex: Araiza) and let things play out before crucifying Von... 1 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Ugh. This situations are not the same, stop bundling. As much as this MB and the Mafia wants to think we had something to do with MA getting released, we did not. 4 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 "this could potentially be a misunderstanding." As in, "You misunderstood...I want Two Hundred and Fifty THOUSAND...not just Two Hundred and Fifty dollars" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: "this could potentially be a misunderstanding." As in, "You misunderstood...I want Two Hundred and Fifty THOUSAND...not just Two Hundred and Fifty dollars" Hate those misunderstandings with signed court statements from police and medical staff. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 What i liked is that when asked about playing time, Beane said the best will be on the field regardless of their name. And he specifically said if Von is not one of the best players on gameday, to help win these crucial games, he won't be in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Hate those misunderstandings with signed court statements from police and medical staff. Tyreek and Ben Rothlisburger know how it works. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Just now, zow2 said: What i liked is that when asked about playing time, Beane said the best will be on the field regardless of their name. And he specifically said if Von is not one of the best players on gameday, to help win these crucial games, he won't be in there. That was just GM talk. It’s not dramatic to say Von Miller has been a massive liability every time he’s been on the field this season. Poona Ford legitimately offers more than Miller does right now. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: That was just GM talk. It’s not dramatic to say Von Miller has been a massive liability every time he’s been on the field this season. Poona Ford legitimately offers more than Miller does right now. Poona played DE last season and wasn’t nearly as effective as he was in the middle. They should be giving Jonathan Kingsley some reps of Von’s reps at DE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 the only thing that matters in this whole fiasco is if the Bills can void Von's contract because of some morals clause or something. Right now it does not seem that they will be able to do that. With that, they're stuck with his albatross of a contract, and a guy who is a literal net negative when on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 Seems like a lot of people are getting upset about the comparison of Araiza and Miller. Nobody is comparing the events themselves, the alleged victims, or the players. What I'm saying is a lot of us jumped to conclusions the moment we heard a news story with partial facts about Araiza. That story is remembered differently now. Perhaps we can benefit from the learning moment that we do not know all the facts yet and shouldn't assume Von Miller is a horrific person, the same way we did with Matt Araiza. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, zow2 said: What i liked is that when asked about playing time, Beane said the best will be on the field regardless of their name. And he specifically said if Von is not one of the best players on gameday, to help win these crucial games, he won't be in there. well, we know that’s a lie. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: well, we know that’s a lie. Why would that be a lie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Why would that be a lie? there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”. If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”. If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves. Who of the guys that are scratched every week are better and should justify being one of the 48 dressed? Alec Anderson, Germain Ifedi, Poona Ford, A.J. Klein? I mean, you are talking about the very bottom of the roster. Now, if you are not talking about scratching him, but rather just have him sit the bench so someone else can rush, I'll listen to that. But to say he's one of the worst players on the team and doesn't deserve a jersey? That's a little much. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, RiotAct said: there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”. If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves. No, this is just more 12th dimensional chess. you wait until they unleash the real Von, he'll manhandle the opposition, beat whomever is in front of him, always one step ahead of his pursuers 2 minutes ago, sven233 said: Who of the guys that are scratched every week are better and should justify being one of the 48 dressed? Alec Anderson, Germain Ifedi, Poona Ford, A.J. Klein? I mean, you are talking about the very bottom of the roster. Now, if you are not talking about scratching him, but rather just have him sit the bench so someone else can rush, I'll listen to that. But to say he's one of the worst players on the team and doesn't deserve a jersey? That's a little much. lmfao, have you watched him? did you see him take out one of the other Bills rushers against Philly? literally got turned in the wrong direction and kept going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, dorquemada said: lmfao, have you watched him? did you see him take out one of the other Bills rushers against Philly? literally got turned in the wrong direction and kept going Again....who of the guys that are scratched deserve a jersey more? If you are going to take him out, you have to dress someone you think is better. So, is that Alec Anderson or Germain Idedi? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, RiotAct said: there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”. If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves. He WAS one of the best players on game day 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, RiotAct said: there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”. If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves. They specifically got him to close out Kansas City. Maybe Von's been sandbagging everyone with his sorry ass play. If that's the case, he will unleash the Kraken in Arrowhead. If he cannot give 110% while out there, he should sit himself down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) It is the age we live in where it is trial by online media before the facts surface. In fairness the NFL and College as well have a very bad reputation for burying crimes committed by players or seeing star player crimes transformed into punitive slaps on the wrists. I think back to the Ray Lewis incident where he and his crew got into a fight and the two victims apparently sprouted spontaneously fatal stab wounds, but no one was found guilty. The guy was inducted into the player hall of fame in 2018. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-murder-case-that-ray-lewis-cant-shake-from-his-past/ar-AA15iqij Organizations also have to take into consideration their image so if you have a lot of bad publicity surrounding a player you can easily replace, then it makes sense to replace that player. With Araiza I think Beane took the right approach with the narrative from OBD - that what was going on was a distraction for both the player and the organization and they were parting ways with Araiza to allow the situation to be sorted and settled by the player. Beane did that without weighing in on the guilt or innocence of the player. With something like this with Von, I think things do get murky when you have domestic fights that turn public and result in accusations being levied. The Bills mafia may be jumping the gun because we are already frustrated with how much cap this player takes and that he has not been much of a factor on the field. ...and agree with the comments that Von is not contributing very much on game days. Edited December 6, 2023 by WideNine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: OK, well bring back Araiza now Agreed 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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