I hope that Beane stops listening to McDermott when drafting

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I 100% believe that Beane and his staff control the draft process. But free agency? I can't buy that if Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan were our coach, we would have spent tens of millions of dollars on the likes of Star Lotulelei and Vernon Butler and Jordan Phillips, while punting on a talent like DeAndre Hopkins. I'm sure Beane creates the contracts and manages the cap space, but I'm equally sure McDermott has a big say in the players that we sign. He would have to, right? His philosophy overrules anyone else in the building. He tells Beane what kinds of players he needs to build a successful team and I'm sure his defensive background influences those decisions.

 

 

Beane doesn't do contracts and he isn't the capologist (though clearly he has to sign off on all moves). Kevin Meganck does both of those roles. Beane identifies targets and evaluates the market then ultimately managers to overall roster build. It is fair that Head Coaches tend to have more input into free agency. That is consistent across the league and I am certain McDermott played a significant part in some of the ex Panthers on defense. That said Jordan Phillips is 100% on Beane that is Brandon's guy. Phillips has said so himself.

[Not at the table Karlos]

11 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Nice save. Uh huh. 

What? 
 

Am I missing something? I googled it and the only two things that came up were automated teller machine and at the moment. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Teddy KGB]

19 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I love how because McDermott is an unpopular figure around here, everything that’s gone wrong is his fault 🤣🤣😂

 

How do you know that it was McDermott who insisted on making these picks?  How do you know it wasn’t Beane who insisted on defense?

 

 

Mcclappy needs 10 DL to rotate 

[John from Riverside]

Offense early should be the way to go from here on out

[BillsVet]

10 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

You sure did skip over plenty of other drafting/signings from the last 5 years that don’t fit your narrative 👌🏻👌🏻

 

Name them.  And then compare those to moderate to major (EDIT: defensive) signings and give me the delta. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by BillsVet

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

Name them.  And then compare those to moderate to major offensive signings and give me the delta. 

I've heard of day drinking, but replacing coffee with Vodka?  That's a bit extreme, even for me. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

59 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Name them.  And then compare those to moderate to major (EDIT: defensive) signings and give me the delta. 

I’ll name some highlights: 2017 and 2018 was light, but any success we were going to have with washed up Tyrod and rookie Josh was through the defense and run game, I assume we can both agree on that. 
 

2019: Signed John Brown and Cole Beasley. Took a gamble with Ty Nseke who wound up being the swing tackle. Signed Frank Gore to be the #2. Tyler Kroft to be the 1a TE. Signed Mitch Morse. Only defensive FA addition was Kevin Johnson, depth guy. After going Ed Oliver in round one, they went OT (Cody ford), RB (Devin Singletary), and TE (Dawson Knox) in the second and third rounds. 2019 was an offense heavy offseason. 
 

2020: Far more balanced after a very offensive heavy 2019. Team signed 6 defensive players (Mario Addison and AJ Klein only starters), but still added starting OG Quinton Spain, starting RT Daryl Williams, RB Twain Jones for depth. OH and they traded for that Stephon Diggs dude. 2 starting OL and a superstar WR. Went DE in the draft in round 2, then RB (Zach Moss), WR (Gabe Davis, and QB (Jake Fromm). Then Kicker. 
 

2021: Added a high profile backup QB in Mitch Turbiski, #2 WR in Emmanuel Sanders, Matt Brida for RB depth, and Pro-Bowl Bobby Hart. They had a bunch of depth re-signings for both sides of the ball, but did ink Matt Milano. In the draft they went DE in both rounds, but added the starting RT in the third. 
 

2022: Added high profile OG Roger Staffold who was TKO’d by Father Time by week 4, but it was viewed as a great pickup at the time. Added Jameson Crowder who was also viewed as a great signing. They added Tim Settle (wooo), Daquan Jones, and Von Miller to the defense. 

As you can see, the Bills have spent major money and made some major investment in the offense around Allen. This “Defense Dominated” narrative is false when you break things down. Most FA periods the offense, in terms of starters, has dominated. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

21 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Correction: McD has FAR LESS say in the draft than Beane does. Beane is the guy making the picks and ultimately responsible for them.

I think what I meant was if McD wants player A and Beane wants player B, the whole scouting team will discuss it and break it down, rather than Beane just overruling them all. He has the power to dictate it, but I don’t think he does. 

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I’ll name some highlights: 2017 and 2018 was light, but any success we were going to have with washed up Tyrod and rookie Josh was through the defense and run game, I assume we can both agree on that. 
 

2019: Signed John Brown and Cole Beasley. Took a gamble with Ty Nseke who wound up being the swing tackle. Signed Frank Gore to be the #2. Tyler Kroft to be the 1a TE. Signed Mitch Morse. Only defensive FA addition was Kevin Johnson, depth guy. After going Ed Oliver in round one, they went OT (Cody ford), RB (Devin Singletary), and TE (Dawson Knox) in the second and third rounds. 2019 was an offense heavy offseason. 
 

2020: Far more balanced after a very offensive heavy 2019. Team signed 6 defensive players (Mario Addison and AJ Klein only starters), but still added starting OG Quinton Spain, starting RT Daryl Williams, RB Twain Jones for depth. OH and they traded for that Stephon Diggs dude. 2 starting OL and a superstar WR. Went DE in the draft in round 2, then RB (Zach Moss), WR (Gabe Davis, and QB (Jake Fromm). Then Kicker. 
 

2021: Added a high profile backup QB in Mitch Turbiski, #2 WR in Emmanuel Sanders, Matt Brida for RB depth, and Pro-Bowl Bobby Hart. They had a bunch of depth re-signings for both sides of the ball, but did ink Matt Milano. In the draft they went DE in both rounds, but added the starting RT in the third. 
 

2022: Added high profile OG Roger Staffold who was TKO’d by Father Time by week 4, but it was viewed as a great pickup at the time. Added Jameson Crowder who was also viewed as a great signing. They added Tim Settle (wooo), Daquan Jones, and Von Miller to the defense. 

As you can see, the Bills have spent major money and made some major investment in the offense around Allen. This “Defense Dominated” narrative is false when you break things down. Most FA periods the offense, in terms of starters, has dominated. 

 

In other words, 2017, 2018, 2021, and 2022 were defense heavy.  2019 and 2020 were not. 

 

Thanks much for making the case that the organization builds its roster in the way I've described: defense first.  A defense that breaks down in big moments as we've seen at crucial times going back a few seasons.   

[TheyCallMeAndy]

11 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

In other words, 2017, 2018, 2021, and 2022 were defense heavy.  2019 and 2020 were not. 

 

Thanks much for making the case that the organization builds its roster in the way I've described: defense first.  A defense that breaks down in big moments as we've seen at crucial times going back a few seasons.   

I didn’t look at 17 and 18, but those years HAD to be defensive heavy.
 

2021 was definitely very balanced and 2022 would have been had it not been the Von contract. You can count 2023 to a “Offense Heavy” offseason as well. I expect 2024 will be defense tilted, but the O will get some gains too. 
 

Josh Allen and Steph Diggs also got big extensions the last few “defensive heavy” years also. 
 

If you view it as “defensive favored” that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. I don’t think the investments are exactly 50-50 but it’s close enough to where, in my opinion, it’s been pretty balanced. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I’ll name some highlights: 2017 and 2018 was light, but any success we were going to have with washed up Tyrod and rookie Josh was through the defense and run game, I assume we can both agree on that. 
 

2019: Signed John Brown and Cole Beasley. Took a gamble with Ty Nseke who wound up being the swing tackle. Signed Frank Gore to be the #2. Tyler Kroft to be the 1a TE. Signed Mitch Morse. Only defensive FA addition was Kevin Johnson, depth guy. After going Ed Oliver in round one, they went OT (Cody ford), RB (Devin Singletary), and TE (Dawson Knox) in the second and third rounds. 2019 was an offense heavy offseason. 
 

2020: Far more balanced after a very offensive heavy 2019. Team signed 6 defensive players (Mario Addison and AJ Klein only starters), but still added starting OG Quinton Spain, starting RT Daryl Williams, RB Twain Jones for depth. OH and they traded for that Stephon Diggs dude. 2 starting OL and a superstar WR. Went DE in the draft in round 2, then RB (Zach Moss), WR (Gabe Davis, and QB (Jake Fromm). Then Kicker. 
 

2021: Added a high profile backup QB in Mitch Turbiski, #2 WR in Emmanuel Sanders, Matt Brida for RB depth, and Pro-Bowl Bobby Hart. They had a bunch of depth re-signings for both sides of the ball, but did ink Matt Milano. In the draft they went DE in both rounds, but added the starting RT in the third. 
 

2022: Added high profile OG Roger Staffold who was TKO’d by Father Time by week 4, but it was viewed as a great pickup at the time. Added Jameson Crowder who was also viewed as a great signing. They added Tim Settle (wooo), Daquan Jones, and Von Miller to the defense. 

As you can see, the Bills have spent major money and made some major investment in the offense around Allen. This “Defense Dominated” narrative is false when you break things down. Most FA periods the offense, in terms of starters, has dominated. 

You took all the time to type this up and it still reads defensive heavy lol

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You took all the time to type this up and it still reads defensive heavy lol

 

Boils down to how you view 2022. Added Roger Staffold and Jameson Crowder as well as Daquan Jones and Von Miller. Miller got an inflated contract. Impact draft picks were also 50/50 that year. 

[machine gun kelly]

On 12/5/2023 at 12:10 PM, margolbe said:

A good pick.  Why not another wide receiver and a backup quarterback?

A backup QB?  Go back to your Jets, Dolphins, Patriots board.  Im

not happy with McD right now either, but your opinion is silly.  
 

I’ll agree we need a WR, but you’re trying to inspire fear and a lack of faith.  It’s easy to tell who is a real Bills fan.  They I can accept criticism as they care about this team.  Not so much you.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

 

Boils down to how you view 2022. Added Roger Staffold and Jameson Crowder as well as Daquan Jones and Von Miller. Miller got an inflated contract. Impact draft picks were also 50/50 that year. 

Jones, Settle, Miller ...and Phillips...and Lawson...and another first rounder on defense...

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 12/5/2023 at 11:00 AM, JohnNord said:

I love how because McDermott is an unpopular figure around here, everything that’s gone wrong is his fault 🤣🤣😂

 

How do you know that it was McDermott who insisted on making these picks?  How do you know it wasn’t Beane who insisted on defense?

 

 

Now that Leslie Frazier, Ken Dorsey are gone, it is now McDermott's turn.

 

As to the GM not listening to the HC during the draft, that entire premise is toxic.  It would be like going back to the Doug Whaley days.

Edited December 6, 2023 by RoyBatty is alive

[TheyCallMeAndy]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Jones, Settle, Miller ...and Phillips...and Lawson...and another first rounder on defense...

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/37068/buffalo-bills-nfl-free-agent-signings-2022-isaiah-mckenzie-gives-josh-allen-another-weapon
 

9 offense, 5 defense 

 

We are splitting hairs here man!!

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/37068/buffalo-bills-nfl-free-agent-signings-2022-isaiah-mckenzie-gives-josh-allen-another-weapon
 

9 offense, 5 defense 

 

We are splitting hairs here man!!

Come on even you don't believe that

 

Do you want me to break it down by cap%

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Come on even you don't believe that

 

Do you want me to break it down by cap%

 

Whichever stat you want to dig out to fit your narrative!

 

I replied earlier showing that the drafting has not been out of balance. @TheyCallMeAndy just provided a link showing that Free Agency has been balanced.

 

So let's move those goal posts to cap %! Something will prove this right eventually!

 

(spoiler alert: with Josh and Stef alone accounting for 30% of the cap, not sure that's going to work out either)

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Come on even you don't believe that

 

Do you want me to break it down by cap%

Yes I do 😉

 

Basically Von’s contract tilted things in favor of the defense, but it’s not like we have neglected the offense. We’ve still made some serious investments on that side dating back to 2019. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Whichever stat you want to dig out to fit your narrative!

 

I replied earlier showing that the drafting has not been out of balance. @TheyCallMeAndy just provided a link showing that Free Agency has been balanced.

 

So let's move those goal posts to cap %! Something will prove this right eventually!

 

(spoiler alert: with Josh and Stef alone accounting for 30% of the cap, not sure that's going to work out either)

 

 

for 2023 we spend the second most in the NFL on defense

 

https://overthecap.com/positional-spending

 

offense spending 13th

 

In 2022 we spent 6th most in the league on defense and 24th most on offense

 

I imagine if we break down draft picks by point value it would show a similar story but if someone wants to do that work I'd be happy to be proven wrong