billsfan714 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 No his season high in receiving yards is 25. If its blocking, throw another tackle next to Spencer. If you're telling me 15-25 yards is key part of our offense i say we got other problems. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 No; Knox would likely be cut if we could without the massive cap damage that would cause. He's the highest paid blocking TE in the league. Congratulations Mr. Beane! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Every good player missing due to injury is not good for the team Knox is a proven player leaves it all on the field but he is only 1/11th of that side of the ball . He will definitely help but not the cure all . 18 minutes ago, ngbills said: No and no. Kincaid essentially has replaced Knox. He is a piece they can use but not a reason why they are struggling. Replaced i'd say not just yet . In the passing game yah but Knox can & has when healthy made some pretty remarkable plays for the Bills which is the reason he was resigned . Use them both to scheme to their strengths for every situation you can't just replace a good player well rarely . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 NO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I think the offense is considerably more predictable with him out. His hands have been poor all year. He has a knack for making that big play on 3rd down or whatever though. Both things could easily be said about Davis. Though with Davis he has more success on 1st and 2nd converting for a 1st down (when he catches it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Knox is the epitome of "jack of all trades- master of none" He does everything that a typical starting TE should be able to do. The biggest problem is he's average in all aspects but paid like a top guy at the position. The one thing he does have is the ability for those "angry runs" that get some people pulling for him more. He's quite literally the Gabe Davis of TEs. he is good at pounding beers with Josh and his Bills buddies at Sabres games in Josh suite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 The 12 personnel clearly didn't work the way they expected. But why do we even need to feature 2 TE sets? Our offense works best in a Spread. Kincaid clearly needs to be on the field almost every play, and he isn't really a true TE anyway. Use Kincaid as a slot & Knox at TE, call it 11-personnel, profit. Shakir comes in for 4-WR sets & takes some of Gabe's reps in 2 or 3-WR sets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said: Outside of blocking I don't see how losing him would cause this team to score only 1 td while leading in the last 24 quarters (saw this stat somewhere). Especially with Kincaid playing great. The Bills have had the lead during the last 24 quarters? What, for maybe two minutes? How many TDs can they score in 2 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 well, we did completely rework an offense that relied on 2 above average TEs, only to have one go down, and have to revert to 3 WR sets again. so ya, he is kind of important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, What a Tuel said: The idea that they struggled offensively is silly and not accurate. I know people want to call the eye test or whatever, but its just not accurate. The last 8 games they were scoring nearly 30 points a game and went 7-1 (would've been 8-0 without the Allen fumble against the vikings). To me, struggling to reduce or negate turnovers is in-fact struggling offensively. Throughout this season that is the sole reason we’ve lost games… starting slow and turning the bal over isn’t winning formula. Defense has had let down moments but the offense has had far more. Dorsey was the start to fix the problem, let’s see what else unfolds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, billsfan714 said: No his season high in receiving yards is 25. If its blocking, throw another tackle next to Spencer. If you're telling me 15-25 yards is key part of our offense i say we got other problems. another tackle isn't a receiving threat. Part of the reason 12 personnel is theoretically so successful for the passing game is because when you have 2 TEs in the lineup, you're in traditional run formations and the D has to make a choice to either play the run with a traditional 3 LB setup or go into a nickel formation, putting a mismatched smaller DB on either Knox or Kincaid. That was kinda the whole idea of what this offense was moving towards in terms of philosophy for this season. It was working while Knox was on the field and healthy, regardless of what his actual numbers were. Call him a decoy if you want. Another tackle would not be a decoy. And you can't really substitute any other TE we have on the roster for Knox because they aren't the dual (blocker & receiver) threat that he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 42 minutes ago, 947 said: The 12 personnel clearly didn't work the way they expected. But why do we even need to feature 2 TE sets? Our offense works best in a Spread. Kincaid clearly needs to be on the field almost every play, and he isn't really a true TE anyway. Use Kincaid as a slot & Knox at TE, call it 11-personnel, profit. Shakir comes in for 4-WR sets & takes some of Gabe's reps in 2 or 3-WR sets. It kinda did, though... at least while Knox was healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 correlation/causation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 They are a lot of ways that they could be using just about everyone on our offense, but don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: correlation/causation straw man... I can play the logical fallacy game, too Let me know if you actually want to talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Why so they can more evenly distribute the drops? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: straw man... I can play the logical fallacy game, too Let me know if you actually want to talk about it. its not fallacy, two things being correlated does not mean event A caused event B. It is not very logical that Dawson Knox is the key to the Bills offensive success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: another tackle isn't a receiving threat. Part of the reason 12 personnel is theoretically so successful for the passing game is because when you have 2 TEs in the lineup, you're in traditional run formations and the D has to make a choice to either play the run with a traditional 3 LB setup or go into a nickel formation, putting a mismatched smaller DB on either Knox or Kincaid. That was kinda the whole idea of what this offense was moving towards in terms of philosophy for this season. It was working while Knox was on the field and healthy, regardless of what his actual numbers were. Call him a decoy if you want. Another tackle would not be a decoy. And you can't really substitute any other TE we have on the roster for Knox because they aren't the dual (blocker & receiver) threat that he is. Sorry I must of missed the defensive mismatches with Knox's season high 25 yards.in game. Im sure hes keeping D coordinators up at night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: its not fallacy, two things being correlated does not mean event A caused event B. It is not very logical that Dawson Knox is the key to the Bills offensive success. It's not logical to you only because of his lack of tangible offensive production. Knox was on the field more than Kincaid was when he was healthy and during that stint that Knox was there and healthy, the offense was its most productive. It's not everything. But it's not nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Why so they can more evenly distribute the drops? Is this actually the Yolo we all know from (what now seems like) way back when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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