Ramza86 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 48 minutes ago, sullim4 said: I think the better question is - would you rather have Daboll or McD as head coach? Give me Daboll. He probably would have had say in getting us more weapons and offensive lineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Ramza86 said: Give me Daboll. He probably would have had say in getting us more weapons and offensive lineman. Yeah, because with all of his say in NY he's supporter Daniel Jones with... Isaiah Hodgins, Parris Campbell, Jalen Hyatt, Darius Slayton and Sterling Shephard? Oh yeah, he added Matt Breida and Tommy Sweeney too! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Payton has brought Russel Wilson back to his play of old. He is on pace for 42 TD’s. But that Denver team has far too many holes to compete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Payton was with NO for 15 years and had one of the most prolific and accomplished QBs in league history. He only made it to the NFC Championship game 3 times. You could argue he underperformed as a HC. However, Brees wasn't that when he went to the Saints. You could argue Payton was partially responsible for that success. Also, the Saints Super Bowl win was as much about the game plan as the players out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beast said: Yeah, because having a consistent top 5 offense is a horrible thing. Give me an offensive guy that accomplishes the same thing and maybe let’s the defense slip. The key to the league is scoring points, every time Josh Allen makes a coach look good, they will be hired away. If you have the McVay, Payton, Reid, etc. the scheme stays the same and the O keeps rolling. Having a defensive HC is a handicap. I wish the Bills would figure it out. 23 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Payton was with NO for 15 years and had one of the most prolific and accomplished QBs in league history. He only made it to the NFC Championship game 3 times. You could argue he underperformed as a HC. McD is on a worse pace, so we should keep him? Edited September 18, 2023 by DCofNC 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Sean "Oh gee. Let's do an onside kick. They will never see it coming" Payton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 I said it from the beginning with Payton. He's one of those guys that ascend to genius level, retire, and when they come back they want complete control over everything and it rarely goes well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Mikie2times said: The main one that comes to mind is Ben Johnson Ohhhh the guy that didn't want to leave Detroit? Yeah... let's go force him to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Einstein said: Payton has brought Russel Wilson back to his play of old. He is on pace for 42 TD’s. But that Denver team has far too many holes to compete. Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Virgil said: However, Brees wasn't that when he went to the Saints. You could argue Payton was partially responsible for that success. Also, the Saints Super Bowl win was as much about the game plan as the players out there. That is absolutely false. Drew Brees was VERY good before he went to the Saints. Unless you think that 11-4 3200 yards 27 TDs and 7 INT's in 2004 isn't successful. He quite literally received 5 OPOY award votes lol Edited September 18, 2023 by warrior9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, warrior9 said: That is absolutely false. Drew Brees was VERY good before he went to the Saints. Unless you think that 11-4 3200 yards 27 TDs and 7 INT's in 2004 isn't successful. He quite literally received 5 OPOY award votes lol He was good, but he wasn’t on the HoF track. Payton is an interesting case study because 3 straight .500 seasons with a HoF QB putting up Star Wars numbers is as much as of a black eye as a coach can have with a superstar QB. BB has basically been a .500 coach WITHOUT Brady. McD would be on the chopping block if we went .500 3 straight years with Allen, and rightly so. Sean Payton wasn’t just Drew Brees’ coach, he was the man in charge of the organization. Their inept defense ultimately fell on his shoulders as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: He was good, but he wasn’t on the HoF track. Payton is an interesting case study because 3 straight .500 seasons with a HoF QB putting up Star Wars numbers is as much as of a black eye as a coach can have with a superstar QB. BB has basically been a .500 coach WITHOUT Brady. McD would be on the chopping block if we went .500 3 straight years with Allen, and rightly so. Sean Payton wasn’t just Drew Brees’ coach, he was the man in charge of the organization. Their inept defense ultimately fell on his shoulders as well. That fair but Payton was not someone who just "turned Brees around" he was a stud and a very good QB before NO... the only issue was the uncertainty of his shoulder prior to the surgery. Edited September 18, 2023 by warrior9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 40 minutes ago, Virgil said: However, Brees wasn't that when he went to the Saints. You could argue Payton was partially responsible for that success. Also, the Saints Super Bowl win was as much about the game plan as the players out there. Fair. Payton certainly gets credit for Brees being what he was. Let's just say elite Brees showed up around 2008, right? Since 2008, they had the 1 SB victory. Made it to the NFC Championship game 1 other time and missed the playoffs 4 times, 3 of which were in consecutive years with a Brees. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Remember that one? Lol Classic straw man argument. Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. I remember no one saying that we need to ditch McDermott and go break the bank for Sean Payton. At various times over the past year or so, the good faith, reasonable argument was put forth--based on the history that we are all familiar with--that McDermott is not the guy to get the Bills to the Super Bowl and that we should cut bait and hire a new HC with a solid background as an offensive coach. You're trying to dunk on a bunch of imaginary TSW posters and it's actually kind of weird. Edited September 18, 2023 by mannc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, DCofNC said: The key to the league is scoring points, every time Josh Allen makes a coach look good, they will be hired away. If you have the McVay, Payton, Reid, etc. the scheme stays the same and the O keeps rolling. Having a defensive HC is a handicap. I wish the Bills would figure it out. Or you just keep hiring from within and the overall philosophy of what you do on offense stays the same? 41 minutes ago, DCofNC said: McD is on a worse pace, so we should keep him? Yes, we should. What a ridiculous question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Classic straw man argument. Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. I remember no one saying that we need to ditch McDermott and go break the bank for Sean Payton. At various times over the past year or so, the good faith, reasonable argument was put forth--based on the history that we are all familiar with--that McDermott is not the guy to get the Bills to the Super Bowl and that we should cut bait and hire a new HC with a solid background as offensive coach. You're trying to dunk on a bunch of imaginary TSW posters and it's actually kind of weird. Available at Walgreen’s: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Available at Walgreen’s: Instead of making an un-funny joke, why don't you just link to some of the posts calling for the Bills to fire McDermott and hire Payton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Yeesh they’re gonna start 0-3 then after a couple winnable games to catch their breath they’ve got the chiefs twice in three games. And then win the first Chiefs game to really stir crap up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Fair. Payton certainly gets credit for Brees being what he was. Let's just say elite Brees showed up around 2008, right? Since 2008, they had the 1 SB victory. Made it to the NFC Championship game 1 other time and missed the playoffs 4 times, 3 of which were in consecutive years with a Brees. I will say this, I can’t remember a team favored to win it all, and then get knocked out in the first round, more than the Payton led Saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Mikie2times said: The main one that comes to mind is Ben Johnson If the Bills somehow implode this year, I would be ok with ditching McD for Ben Johnson, he seems like the the next bright young head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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