OT…Now the Jets are the 85 Bears

[wppete]

Let them keep being arrogant… This should fuel the Bills. 

[Utah John]

12 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Man they certainly think alot of themselves don’t they? 
 

Didn’t the Bills have a statistically better D last year and lose like only one guy?

 
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/d-j-reed-jets-defense-can-be-historical-like-1985-bears-or-legion-of-boom 

Yes, the Bills were statistically better than the Jets.  The Bills lost Edmunds but add Micah Hyde and healthy Tre White and Jordan Poyer, plus their DTs look more stout, and shipping off Basham was addition by subtraction.  And we'll see what Leonard Floyd has left, and in a month or so we add in Von Miller.  But the Bills played Frazier's soft Tampa 2 D, and that let good QBs march down the field on them.  The D didn't scare anyone.  I'm hoping McD's D is more attacking and unpredictable.

 

As for the Jets, they've been building a very strong D line, they have Sauce Gardner in the back, and their MLB always gives the Bills fits.  

 

Bottom line, on paper I don't know which set of players I'd choose.  Both are good.  If the Jets have an edge, it's in the coaches, where Saleh has done well and we don't know yet how McD will do.

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

David dropped a third and long in the 2nd quarter that hit him right in the chest…. And then of course the bomb with seconds remaining. 

 

Yes, thanks, now I remember. 

 

Either way, it doesn't change what he and I were talking about.  He's just throwing up mud at this point.

 

Anyone not concerned that the Jets can beat us is not being wise.  

 

They were in fact our two worst games last season for our offense.  Or defense has not improved either, but their offense has.  Our offense has improved, but IMO the issue wasn't talent on our offense, it was coaching.  Our coaching likely hasn't changed.  That is all.

 

If people like him want to think that it's a forgone conclusion that we win on Monday, great, no skin off my teeth.  

 

We shall see.  I'm cautiously optimistic but wouldn't be surprised if the Jets held us to 20 or fewer again and scored more than that with Rodgers and Cook now on the team, and Hall who didn't play either game against us, and Wilson in his second season after an exceptional rookie year with siht QBs.  

 

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

 

 

And BTW, I just looked, but Cook's best game last season, both in rushing yards and YPC was against us.  

 

We struggle against good RBs generally speaking, heck, we struggle against mediocre RBs at times, this combination of Cook/Hall could be problematic, particularly given our MLB situation.  

 

We didn't play a lot of top rushing teams or RBs last season.  Other than for Cook, of the ones we did, they weren't on balanced offenses. 

 

My biggest intrigue re: this game is going to be our coaching.  

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by PBF81

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, chalk it up to coaching then, because against our 2nd-ranked D their offense with Zach Wilson and Mike White in two games put up more yards (619 to 549), more passing yards (369 to 313), averaged over 7 minutes better in time-of-possession, logged more 1st-Downs (40 to 33), and had a better 3rd-down-conversion rate.   

 

They averaged 16 ppg with White and Wilson to our 18.5 with Allen.  Now they have essentially the same D, presumably our number, and Rodgers and Cook.  

 

They shouldn't be taken lightly, at last not by us.  They were our two worst games last year.  

 

 

 

11 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

So Josh Allen isn’t as good as Mike White and Zach Wilson gotcha 

 

 

Whoever you got, it ain't him. He didn't say anything like that.

 

Straw man arguments don't make good points.

 

He's right in his conclusion there, that they shouldn't be taken lightly. Not by anyone, really.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Thurman#1

[SoTier]

The last Jests player whose bold prediction actually came true was Joe Namath's claim that the Jests would win Super Bowl III in 1969.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 hours ago, Success said:

Not really OT - I saw this & was surprised we weren't talking about it yet.

 

That Jets D is formidable.  The CB's statement was hyperbole - but they actually could be one of those D's we talk about as time goes on.  This 1st game concerns me because of that.  They won't stop our offense, but they can slow it down - and if Rodgers can put up enough points, they can certainly get the win.

 

I think we win the game, but their D is a concern.

 

 

how concerned are you

 

[k2mountain]

The teams are even on paper.

 

But it's a home game, an opener, for the Jets--and Aaron Rodgers inaugural game. Add 9-11 hype to the event also.

 

If the Bills win under those conditions, it will be epic.

 

I'm not a degenerate gambler. But even if I was, I wouldn't touch this game with a 10 foot pole.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

David dropped a third and long in the 2nd quarter that hit him right in the chest…. And then of course the bomb with seconds remaining. 

the bomb with seconds remaining was CLEAR DPI of the kind that sauce gardner got away with all year

 

[Captain Hindsight]

13 hours ago, Success said:

Not really OT - I saw this & was surprised we weren't talking about it yet.

 

That Jets D is formidable.  The CB's statement was hyperbole - but they actually could be one of those D's we talk about as time goes on.  This 1st game concerns me because of that.  They won't stop our offense, but they can slow it down - and if Rodgers can put up enough points, they can certainly get the win.

 

I think we win the game, but their D is a concern.

 

They went from 32nd to 4th last year. Thats a big jump and likely had nothing to do with playing the murderous row of QBs such as

 

Jacoby Brissett

Kenny Pickett

Sklyar Thompson x2

Brett Rypian

Trevor Simien 

 

 

 

[PBF81]

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Of course the Jets can beat us…. The best us with an awful QB last season so not sure why anyone think is they can’t with a future HOF now as their QB.

 

And two very good RBs and a rookie WR that finished 15th in the league for receiving yards.  Tell that to the person that's been arguing contrarily with me.  🙂

 

 

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The issue was absolutely talent offensively last season…. The WRs outside of Diggs were trash and the offensive line was bad… not saying Dorsey was great, but putting the offensive issues when they occurred on Dorsey is a bit strange to me. 

 

My point is that they played better with worse talent than we had, and against our #2 ranked D.  We could have had better talent, but coaching was clearly an issue.  

 

Your point is noted, but consider, with White and Wilson at QB, a rookie WR and WRs no better than ours after him, at best, no RB worthy of note, they beat us and held us to 20 in the other game with their defense holding our O to our worst two games on the season.

 

We'll see what McD has up his sleeve on Monday.  But this Jets team is on the opposite end of the spectrum from what we're played last season.  

 

White/Wilson to Rodgers

Crap to Cook/Hall

Wilson as a rookie and crap to 2nd-year Wilson, and Lazard from GB in support.  

 

That's a bump.  

 

 

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m not convinced the talent is significantly better offensively. Just hopeful Kincaid comes out the gate strong because he really is the difference.

 

Kincaid's been strong and impressive.  I'm not necessarily thinking he makes a huge impact on Monday, but Torrence definitely looks the part and is impressive, he'll get thrown into the fire vs. the Jets but he looked like he can handle it.  Also, McGovern on the other side seems to be huge.  NPI 

 

Is McGovern healthy?

 

IDK, we'll see.  This game should reveal much re the forthcoming season.  

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by PBF81

[BUFFALOTONE]

I know it is my fault for having ESPN on in the mornings, but they start every episode of Get Up with the Jets. New BS ways to insert them into the show...Greenberg is intolerable. Thats all they talk about. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

The hype train seems to only be with nfl tv personalities lol. All this talk of the bills demise and jets being elite and yet they are 2.5 point home dogs to buffalo and their season over/under is set at 9.5 most places 

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

the bomb with seconds remaining was CLEAR DPI of the kind that sauce gardner got away with all year

 

Unfortunately that will likely continue, once a db becomes a household name/media darling they seem to get away with murder for years 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Dan in Owego]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

And two very good RBs and a rookie WR that finished 15th in the league for receiving yards.  Tell that to the person that's been arguing contrarily with me.  🙂

 

 

 

My point is that they played better with worse talent than we had, and against our #2 ranked D.  We could have had better talent, but coaching was clearly an issue.  

 

Your point is noted, but consider, with White and Wilson at QB, a rookie WR and WRs no better than ours after him, at best, no RB worthy of note, they beat us and held us to 20 in the other game with their defense holding our O to our worst two games on the season.

 

We'll see what McD has up his sleeve on Monday.  But this Jets team is on the opposite end of the spectrum from what we're played last season.  

 

White/Wilson to Rodgers

Crap to Cook/Hall

Wilson as a rookie and crap to 2nd-year Wilson, and Lazard from GB in support.  

 

That's a bump.  

 

 

 

Kincaid's been strong and impressive.  I'm not necessarily thinking he makes a huge impact on Monday, but Torrence definitely looks the part and is impressive, he'll get thrown into the fire vs. the Jets but he looked like he can handle it.  Also, McGovern on the other side seems to be huge.  NPI 

 

Is McGovern healthy?

 

IDK, we'll see.  This game should reveal much re the forthcoming season.  

 

 

I think he will have a big impact, don't think Mosley can cover him or Williams for that matter, hopefully he and Knox can force their safeties down, then we can see diggs going mano-mano on sauce.

[FilthyBeast]

Jets hype train is off the charts but some of this stuff is getting a bit ridiculous and quite frankly if any team in the division should be making these type of prognostications it's the Dolphins.

 

Going to be fun times in NY if the Jets come out of the gate strong and dominate the Bills this week.

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

I think he will have a big impact, don't think Mosley can cover him or Williams for that matter, hopefully he and Knox can force their safeties down, then we can see diggs going mano-mano on sauce.

 

You know that I have high hopes for our offense.  In his first game though?  

 

Hope so, but we'll see.  6 days ...

 

 

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

You know that I have high hopes for our offense.  In his first game though?  

 

Hope so, but we'll see.  6 days ...

 

 

I know I'm on vacation in Mallorca on my 4th cervas and it just came to me 😆 but I do honestly think we will have to attack with our quick game early because I see a mis match with Kincaid and Knox on their backers.

 

At least that's my hope🍺

[frostbitmic]

The Bills will stick a pin in their balloon monday night.

[C.Biscuit97]

Some of you are the most sensitive people on earth. No, they aren’t the 85 Bears and I personally would rather keep things quiet.  However, they have a very good  and deep defense. They make the playoffs if they didn’t have the worst qb in the nfl last year.

 

this is a very good test for the Bills to open up the season. They will take away Diggs and force the other guys to beat them. But I would be shocked if the Jets aren’t a top 5 defense at the end of the year. 

[90sBills]

12 hours ago, PBF81 said:

But considering that, perhaps you can explain why with Allen then, we performed so much more poorly against a lower ranked D and posted our two worst games of the season?  
 

I'd say coaching, but that's not a favored topic here.  What do you think was the reason?  Biorythyms?  Humidity?  What?  

 

 

Allen throwing passes to their guys didn’t help.