The Frankish Reich Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I think of myself as a high-information voter. Probably most people here think of themselves the same way. No 2024 presidential candidate fits perfectly with my policy preferences. And certainly they are very different in terms of experience, intellect, judgement, and demeanor. But some come far closer than others in my ideal blend. As a high-information voter, I don't just take into account which candidate comes closest to my ideal. I also think about how that person would fit as a president with the likely Congress he/she will have, and with the composition of the Supreme Court. For example, I favor the right to an abortion, more or less along the lines of Roe v. Wade. When that was the law, I didn't concern myself too much with how a presidential candidate views the abortion question, other than how he would impact the composition of the Supreme Court. Now I can't ignore that. I'm also kind of middle of the road in my politics, so I worry about the consequences of giving one party too much power in Congress and the White House. For example, a far right/far left House and Senate (particularly a filibuster-proof Senate). That would encourage a wild swing in either direction. With all that in mind, and in a vacuum (assume you have no idea about how the House/Senate/Supreme Court will be constituted in 2025), how do you rank the candidates now? Top 3, Bottom 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I think of myself as a high-information voter. Probably most people here think of themselves the same way. No 2024 presidential candidate fits perfectly with my policy preferences. And certainly they are very different in terms of experience, intellect, judgement, and demeanor. But some come far closer than others in my ideal blend. As a high-information voter, I don't just take into account which candidate comes closest to my ideal. I also think about how that person would fit as a president with the likely Congress he/she will have, and with the composition of the Supreme Court. For example, I favor the right to an abortion, more or less along the lines of Roe v. Wade. When that was the law, I didn't concern myself too much with how a presidential candidate views the abortion question, other than how he would impact the composition of the Supreme Court. Now I can't ignore that. I'm also kind of middle of the road in my politics, so I worry about the consequences of giving one party too much power in Congress and the White House. For example, a far right/far left House and Senate (particularly a filibuster-proof Senate). That would encourage a wild swing in either direction. With all that in mind, and in a vacuum (assume you have no idea about how the House/Senate/Supreme Court will be constituted in 2025), how do you rank the candidates now? Top 3, Bottom 3. Is there a reason you didn’t start with your top and bottom 3? Edited August 29, 2023 by JDHillFan Horrific spelling error 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 If Bernie were younger, it'd be him. Since he's ancient, I'm going with Youngkin. I think he's a pragmatist and could help heal the hemorrhaging wounds of the country. I wouldn't likely agree with some of his agenda but I'd feel ok with him holding the nuclear football. And I don't see him cozying up to hate groups. Anyone know different? If he doesn't run, then Haley would be a distant second. Other D's just don't seem viable candidates right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Would. Nikki Haley Ron DeSantis Would Never Biden. Trump. Any other of the current Dem mentions. Strongly consider moving out of the country. Bernie Sanders. Kamala Harris Edited August 28, 2023 by sherpa 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Is their a reason you didn’t start with your top and bottom 3? I didn't want you to instinctively choose a different bunch! 20 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: If Bernie were younger, it'd be him. Since he's ancient, I'm going with Youngkin. I think he's a pragmatist and could help heal the hemorrhaging wounds of the country. I wouldn't likely agree with some of his agenda but I'd feel ok with him holding the nuclear football. And I don't see him cozying up to hate groups. Anyone know different? If he doesn't run, then Haley would be a distant second. Other D's just don't seem viable candidates right now. Well, your choice - Youngkin - is outside the scope. Current candidates only. But let me expand the question: what unannounced candidate would you prefer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Of the announced candidates: Top 3: Biden Scott Christie Bottom 3: Trump DeSantis RFK Unannounced: JB Pritzker Whitmer Buttigieg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Top: Anti- communists. Bottom: Communists. aka those currently running the Biden WH. Edited August 28, 2023 by BillsFanNC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Top: Anti- communists. Yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 👆 This is why we can't have anything nice around here +1 Trump DeSantis Nikki Haley -1 Biden Vivek Pence Edited August 28, 2023 by TSOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 + Trump DeSantis Scott - Biden Harris Newsom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Still undecided… I was big on DeSantis 12 months ago…But ever since the campaign started, he doesn’t appear as confident in himself as he was during Covid… I’m intrigued by RFK and Vivek and want to learn more… However, if it came down to Nikki Hailey vs. Biden, I take Nikki all day long, even though I disagree with her Neo-Con foreign policy…At least her domestic policy would be anti-woke… I also rock with Trump vs. Biden… Never to Biden, Newsome, and Michelle Obama…Buttjudge is a joke…😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Trump He's tanned, rested and pissed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Still undecided… I was big on DeSantis 12 months ago…But ever since the campaign started, he doesn’t appear as confident in himself as he was during Covid… I’m intrigued by RFK and Vivek and want to learn more… However, if it came down to Nikki Hailey vs. Biden, I take Nikki all day long, even though I disagree with her Neo-Con foreign policy…At least her domestic policy would be anti-woke… I also rock with Trump vs. Biden… Never to Biden, Newsome, and Michelle Obama…Buttjudge is a joke…😉 I think if you give DeSantis 10-12 more years he could be a good presidential candidate, he still needs to grow some more and hone his skills for the national stage. He's got great ideas and seems to be a natural leader. With the current climate he's not ready to overtake Trump as the nominee. Trump's personality is too overwhelming, larger than life and it's like he's a 500lb gorilla on the American political scene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I love in a dark blue state. So I can vote libertarian and at least know I had no part in the disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Can we only vote in a vacuum? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I love in a dark blue state. So I can vote libertarian and at least know I had no part in the disaster. Always ready to take a stand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Top 3…. Nikki Hailey Ron Desantis Tim Scott or RFK Jr Bottom 3 The crypt keeper Christie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 29, 2023 Author Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Can we only vote in a vacuum? 😉 I think I'd like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 29, 2023 Author Share Posted August 29, 2023 My top 3, in order: Haley Christie Scott My bottom 3, in order (least bad to most bad): Ramaswamy RFK Jr. Trump A pure match-up, hold your nose and vote for him if the competitor is worse: Biden I'm starting to see that Haley probably isn't anyone's perfect candidate, but that she's acceptable to more people of many divergent views than anyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I’m kind of likeing Scott He seems like a very likable guy he’s not old I don’t agree with all of his politics, but some of that stuff will never go over on the national level anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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