frostbitmic Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Author Posted 2 hours ago Based on feedback.... Morris in, Sterberger out. Gilliam in Boettger out Klein in Matekevich out QB 2 Allen, Allen RB 3 Cook, Harris, Murray, Gilliam TE 3 Knox, Kincaid, Sternberger Morris WR 6 Diggs, Davis, Harty, Shakir, Sherfield, Shorter OT 4 Dawkins, Brown, Quessenbury, Shell OG 4 Torrence, McGovern, Edwards, Boettger C 2 Morse, Bates DT 5 Jones, Ford, Oliver, Phillips, Settle DE 4 Epenesa, Floyd, Lawson, Rousseau LB 6 Bernard, Milano, D Williams, Spector, Dodson, Klein CB 7 Elam, Jackson, T Johnson, Neal, White, Benford, Lewis S 4 Poyer, Hyde, Rapp, Hamlin K 1 Bass H 1 Ferguson P 1 Martin PUP Miller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipnmi Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 I think Cam Lewis and Siran Neal are fighting for the 6th CB spot, but there's no room for both. Cam has versatility, but Siran is a core ST'er, so it could go either way. Rapp could replace Siran on ST and should be better in Nickle, but it will be interesting to see if the coaches believe that Cam has made a jump from last year, vs just having another nice camp. Another point that I haven't seen discussed is if someone like Benford or Jackson could adequately replace Taron if he gets dinged. Lot's of moving parts in this decision! I expect Gilliam to make the 53, so there's probably not an OL spot available for Boettger. I also think Morris will be the 3rd TE, with Sternberger going to the PS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: Here is how I see the 53....actually 54 with Miller on PUP. I think the Bills will trade one or two guys...I have Sternberger over Morris as a surprise. I have Basham and Gilliam not making it. Based on reports I considered Shavers over Shorter but Beane likes his draft picks under 4 year contracts. QB 2 Allen, Allen RB 3 Cook, Harris, Murray TE 3 Knox, Kincaid, Sternberger WR 6 Diggs, Davis, Harty, Shakir, Sherfield, Shorter OT 4 Dawkins, Brown, Quessenbury, Shell OG 4 Torrence, McGovern, Edwards, Boettger C 2 Morse, Bates DT 5 Jones, Ford, Oliver, Phillips, Settle DE 4 Epenesa, Floyd, Lawson, Rousseau LB 6 Bernard, Milano, D Williams, Spector, Dodson, Matekavich CB 7 Elam, Jackson, T Johnson, Neal, White, Benford, Lewis S 4 Poyer, Hyde, Rapp, Hamlin K 1 Bass H 1 Ferguson P 1 Martin PUP Miller Lets refine this. If you are game, you can make one change to the above list. Copy, paste edit your guy, cross out the guy I kept and put in your guy bolded. Then someone can make a further edit. Each person can make one edit and anyone added (bolded) cannot be removed. Here are the key guys I have as not making it and prime candidates for the PS. Some of the key cuts are underlined. This years draft picks are italicized. I suspect Gilliam will actually make it. QB 1 Barkley (Emergency QB) RB 2 Evans, Gilliam TE 1 Morris WR 2 Isabella, Shavers OT 2 Anderson, Doyle, OG 2 Mancz, Broeker C 0 DT 1 Ankou DE 3 Jonathan, Ray, Basham LB 1 Klein CB 2 Austin, Ingram S 1 Marlowe Ignore the table below, it wont let me delete it. Mine is very close. But Reggie Gilliam is staying and that's not even a question. He plays a number of roles for this team and was given a two year extension just last season. I'd say the differences between mine and yours would be Boettger and Lewis are Practice Squad and Reggie Gilliam and either Boogie Basham or Shane Ray sticks. And while I like Sternberger sticking instead of Quintin Morris, I think he'd really have to play extremely well in the Pre-Season for that to happen. Even then, they might put Sternberger on the Practice Squad. The team really likes Morris. 5 hours ago, Airseven said: Not bad. But cut Sternberger, Hamlin, and Phillips and reconsider your PS options, including Gilliam. Hamlin and Phillips? What? Damar Hamlin will not be cut. Either he's ready to roll mentally and physically, in which case he's unquestionably the 4th Safety. Or he's not and he's put on a Reserve list. After everything he's been through, they aren't going to outright cut the guy. Especially when you consider you need 3 vested years in the league to earn a pension and he's only had 2. They'd never straight screw him over like that. Jordan Phillips? No way. When healthy, he's one of our most productive Defensive Lineman. If we didn't want him, we'd have never re-signed him. And he just came off the PUP and is ready to roll. We aren't going to keep less than 5 DT's (there were times last year during injuries where we had 6 or 7). And honestly, if there was a cut there, I'd cut Settle before Phillips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 8, 2023 Author Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, frostbitmic said: Klein in Matekevich out I really dont see this happening. Matekevich is a special teams player. Klein was bouncing around on rosters/Practice squads last year. He can probably get to the PS and he would only be needed in an emergency. Matekevich is needed on special teams all the time. 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Mine is very close. But Reggie Gilliam is staying and that's not even a question. I agreed and edited the OP to show him in.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/buffalo-bills-full-depth-chart-2023-preseason-nfl/ This is the early first full depth chart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, frostbitmic said: Author Posted 2 hours ago Based on feedback.... Morris in, Sterberger out. Gilliam in Boettger out Klein in Matekevich out QB 2 Allen, Allen RB 3 Cook, Harris, Murray, Gilliam TE 3 Knox, Kincaid, Sternberger Morris WR 6 Diggs, Davis, Harty, Shakir, Sherfield, Shorter OT 4 Dawkins, Brown, Quessenbury, Shell OG 4 Torrence, McGovern, Edwards, Boettger C 2 Morse, Bates DT 5 Jones, Ford, Oliver, Phillips, Settle DE 4 Epenesa, Floyd, Lawson, Rousseau LB 6 Bernard, Milano, D Williams, Spector, Dodson, Klein CB 7 Elam, Jackson, T Johnson, Neal, White, Benford, Lewis S 4 Poyer, Hyde, Rapp, Hamlin K 1 Bass H 1 Ferguson P 1 Martin PUP Miller Matakevitch isn't going anywhere. With the losses of Taiwan Jones, Jake Kumerow, and others who were core Special Teamers - Matakevitch is clearly the Captain of the Special Teams. He is currently on the PUP. I don't know if it's a short term issue that will have him activated for Week 1 or it's something longer. If he isn't activated by Week 1, his roster spot could temporarily go to someone else. But make no mistake about it, when he's activated, he's on the 53. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am pretty convinced Gilliam makes it. Sadly you will probably be correct He actually made three decent blocks last year which is a 200% improvement over the prior year. Edited August 8, 2023 by Ethan in Cleveland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 54 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Matakevitch isn't going anywhere. With the losses of Taiwan Jones, Jake Kumerow, and others who were core Special Teamers - Matakevitch is clearly the Captain of the Special Teams. He is currently on the PUP. I don't know if it's a short term issue that will have him activated for Week 1 or it's something longer. If he isn't activated by Week 1, his roster spot could temporarily go to someone else. But make no mistake about it, when he's activated, he's on the 53. He played in 323 ST snaps last year and 3 defensive snaps. He had 6 tackles all year. 6 tackles in 16+ games. The prior year 340 ST snaps in 17 games and 19 total tackles but 7 pf which were assists. I'm sorry any street FA on a minimum contract can do what he does. For that matter Dorian Williams should take all his ST snaps. Williams is likely to never see the field as Milano's backup. At least he could see real action for a year playing STs. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: He played in 323 ST snaps last year and 3 defensive snaps. He had 6 tackles all year. 6 tackles in 16+ games. The prior year 340 ST snaps in 17 games and 19 total tackles but 7 pf which were assists. I'm sorry any street FA on a minimum contract can do what he does. For that matter Dorian Williams should take all his ST snaps. Williams is likely to never see the field as Milano's backup. At least he could see real action for a year playing STs. The "Anyone can play Special Teams" mentality is fan speak and not based in reality. Especially with this team that places an emphasis on having core guys that almost exclusively play Teams. You can think that all you want. But that's not reality or how this regime works. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The "Anyone can play Special Teams" mentality is fan speak and not based in reality. Especially with this team that places an emphasis on having core guys that almost exclusively play Teams. You can think that all you want. But that's not reality or how this regime works. Yea I’m w Ethan on this one. I watched Taiwan jones and siran Neal. Special teams “aces” make blunder after blunder ST plays last year. It was a joke 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Not a fan of Gilliam or Lewis but the staff love these guys. Just keep trying to trade Basham. Even if it's just a 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 55 minutes ago, balln said: Yea I’m w Ethan on this one. I watched Taiwan jones and siran Neal. Special teams “aces” make blunder after blunder ST plays last year. It was a joke I mean, good for you. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. But it doesn't change how McDermott and Beane view things and operate. Jones, Kumerow, and others aren't here anymore. So for the "we're wasting roster spots on ST'ers; anyone can do this" crowd, you've already gotten a win. But when it comes to Matakevitch, that's been his role since Day 1. With the turnover that's already been there, they aren't going to turn around and cut him too. If they felt that way, they'd have done it early in the offseason when they were making moves to free up cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The "Anyone can play Special Teams" mentality is fan speak and not based in reality. Especially with this team that places an emphasis on having core guys that almost exclusively play Teams. You can think that all you want. But that's not reality or how this regime works. And STs being a 3rd part of the team is coach speak. Football has evolved. The game changes. But you are correct this regime values ST only players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 46 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Not a fan of Gilliam or Lewis but the staff love these guys. Just keep trying to trade Basham. Even if it's just a 6th. Every roster needs back half role players and versatile guys Cam is a very valuable 50-53 guy... Can play multiple positions and physical Most 51st guys on rosters are wayyy more a liability He got mossed by the best WR in football and people think he's trash ... How about our 6th db was neck and neck with the best WR in football? He wasn't burnt toast Cam is very coachable and and a smart zone player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Every roster needs back half role players and versatile guys Cam is a very valuable 50-53 guy... Can play multiple positions and physical Most 51st guys on rosters are wayyy more a liability He got mossed by the best WR in football and people think he's trash ... How about our 6th db was neck and neck with the best WR in football? He wasn't burnt toast Cam is very coachable and and a smart zone player 100% agree that Lewis' position flex is huge. Disagree on your assessment of that infamous play against Minn, he wasn't really "covering" Jefferson as in mirroring him off the line, as he was a safety on the play and the ball was essentially thrown to him. All he needed to do was "Knock it down!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, balln said: Yea I’m w Ethan on this one. I watched Taiwan jones and siran Neal. Special teams “aces” make blunder after blunder ST plays last year. It was a joke If you think that is what you saw watch closer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I think Isabella makes the 53 Yep. To the OP, nice job and my only substitution is Shakir might be relegated to the PS, and Isabella as our primary returner. His speed is exactly what Beane has wanted. We increased speed with Isabella, Sherfield, and Harty. We improved TE play with sure handed DK2. Thats how I’m speculating. Hey it’s just bar talk for now. We’ll see. One thing I do trust is McBeane. They’ll figure it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: 100% agree that Lewis' position flex is huge. Disagree on your assessment of that infamous play against Minn, he wasn't really "covering" Jefferson as in mirroring him off the line, as he was a safety on the play and the ball was essentially thrown to him. All he needed to do was "Knock it down!" Plenty of safeties are nowhere near the ball when it's thrown He was right there... He just got beat by a better player Justin Jefferson makes starters look silly... This is our 6th or 7th defensive back The dude isn't out of place in the league 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Plenty of safeties are nowhere near the ball when it's thrown He was right there... He just got beat by a better player Justin Jefferson makes starters look silly... This is our 6th or 7th defensive back The dude isn't out of place in the league Totally agree that Cam Lewis has a role as a bottom of an NFL roster DB who can flex between CB and S. Just sounded like you were suggesting he was doing well to cover Jefferson on that play when he was basically just in his spot and the ball was thrown to him. (Being in the right spot is obviously a good thing, of course.) Probably just parsing words too finely. I do that sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If you think that is what you saw watch closer Whiffed blocks on returns , penalties , missed tackles and not getting away from kill balls. Maybe you should watch closer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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