FireChans Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Dude… Mahomes was right behind Allen in INT’s this year, and had one of the worst INT’s i’ve ever seen just a month or so ago. Josh Allen led the league in total TO's and RZ TO's. He is not as good of a QB as Patrick. When he plays his best, he can play just as well as him. He doesn't play his best nearly as often. Which is why one of them has 2 MVPs and 2 SB's and one of them does not. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: - 72/100 (72%) - 7 TDs - 0 INTs - Super Bowl MVP That’s more than coaching Allen could only dream of making such a throw! In all seriousness though, there is great benefit to having so many scripted easy passes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Reid is the reason Mahomes is MVP. Not saying he isn't great but in the conference game, a back-up QB marched the KC down the field for their longest drive of the year. To me, that shows what a great system they have in place. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: Allen could only dream of making such a throw! In all seriousness though, there is great benefit to having so many scripted easy passes. first play in this clip looks pretty much identical- Allen is good, 15 is better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Well I thought all the straws had been grasped at, but we have a new level. We'd also have won the superbowl if we were the Kansas City Chiefs. Good grief 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: first play in this clip looks pretty much identical- Allen is good, 15 is better. Not even remotely the same in my opinion. Mahomes guy had no defender within 10 yards. And he threw it from the gas to 5 yards. Allen threw the full distance from the gas to the corner of the endzone. And Mahomes wasn’t at the end of a 100 degree game. A football field is over 50 yards wide. Allen was throwing a nearly 30 yard pass on the play you posted (he was on the far hash). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: I was just replying to someone saying Reid was ran out of town. My comment was essentially “that may be so but he had more success than McD has had so far when they ran him out of town”. If McDermott continues to lose in the postseason like Andy Reid did, he will eventually get fired and then immediately picked up by another team....just like Reid. By saying Reid had more success than McDermott after being a continual playoff disappointment is splitting hairs. Every criticism that Reid got, McDermott is getting now. I just don't like the "McDermott isn't doing in year 6 what Reid is doing in year 24". Some people/coaches/players peak faster than others. McDermott disappointed this year. Reid did it continually for years and finally got the monkey off his back a few years ago. Now he got his second one in his 24th season. He's a great coach that improved from his first stint and also got Patrick Mahomes. We have Josh Allen. Allen has outperformed Mahomes in the last 3 meetings, including the playoffs. We know what we need to fix, lets see if we can fix it. I'm down on our coaching staff right now but not writing them off. Right now McDermott and Reid have had similar starts to their careers. We just hope McDermott gets us over the hump faster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Greybeard said: Reid is the reason Mahomes is MVP. Not saying he isn't great but in the conference game, a back-up QB marched the KC down the field for their longest drive of the year. To me, that shows what a great system they have in place. reminiscent of the old Brady Belichick discussion it’s both. Andy coached for 20 years before got a ring. He had some vey good QBs but none this good. 16 minutes ago, FireChans said: Josh Allen led the league in total TO's and RZ TO's. He is not as good of a QB as Patrick. When he plays his best, he can play just as well as him. He doesn't play his best nearly as often. Which is why one of them has 2 MVPs and 2 SB's and one of them does not. That’s the bitter pill to swallow in the whole thing It’s a mental thing not physical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Not even remotely the same in my opinion. Mahomes guy had no defender within 10 yards. And he threw it from the gas to 5 yards. Allen threw the full distance from the gas to the corner of the endzone. And Mahomes wasn’t at the end of a 100 degree game. A football field is over 50 yards wide. Allen was throwing a nearly 30 yard pass on the play you posted (he was on the far hash). There's no one within 10 yards of Davis here. I mean this is pretty easy too. We have wide open plays too. You don't become a top 3 scoring offense continually if everything is always difficult. Splitting hairs again. Reid is absolutely a better offensive mind right now but lets not be hyperbolic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Bills fans would have ran him out if he didn’t a win a SB after a while. Like Eagles fans did. Like Steelers fans want to do with Tomlin. There is zero patience anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Bills fans would have ran him out if he didn’t a win a SB after a while. Like Eagles fans did. Like Steelers fans want to do with Tomlin. There is zero patience anymore. WE HAVE NEVER WON. HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU NEED TO BE PATIENT FOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Bills fans would have ran him out if he didn’t a win a SB after a while. Like Eagles fans did. Like Steelers fans want to do with Tomlin. There is zero patience anymore. How long does your patience last? Forever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Bills fans would have ran him out if he didn’t a win a SB after a while. Like Eagles fans did. Like Steelers fans want to do with Tomlin. There is zero patience anymore. If Tomlin became available, I would replace McDermott with him in a heartbeat. He has won a Super Bowl and I don't think he has ever had a losing season. Besides Tomlin would build a tough, physical football team unlike the finesse team we have now that can get pushed around by other physical teams. See Jets game winning drive where they started at their own 5 and ran the ball down the Bills throats for a game winning FG as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Bills fans would have ran him out if he didn’t a win a SB after a while. Like Eagles fans did. Like Steelers fans want to do with Tomlin. There is zero patience anymore. English EPL soccer teams fire coaches after a couple of months, but 7 years in Buffalo we need to still be patient. Edited February 13, 2023 by Billsflyer12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Reid is spectacular in his play design and ability to confuse a defense. He creates easy initial reads, and safe second reads. I really think Kelce is not the go to first read on most Chiefs plays (outside of the goal line), but he is a clearly a designed second read where Mahomes knows he can get the ball to most of the time. It almost forces the defense to acknowledge everyone around their best player without having the ability to hone in on him. Reid is just a hall of fame coach. Of course I'd love to have him as the BIlls HC, but that's not how this game works. McD needs to continue to learn and develop, and I know Sean has a long career as a HC ahead of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 If pigs had wings, they could fly. If, if, if.... The OP's view *may* be correct, but of course there's no way to ever prove it. This thread is pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 This was a fantastic breakdown of how Reid paid attention to what the Eagles were doing and used it against them for 2 wide open TDs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: - 72/100 (72%) - 7 TDs - 0 INTs - Super Bowl MVP That’s more than coaching Mahomes is racking up MVPs, championships, and Super Bowl MVPs amidst what is now a dynasty. He's already in the conversation for top 5 QB ever. The need to continue to try and somehow drag him back into a comparison with Allen is pathetic at this point. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 6 hours ago, FireChans said: Yeah, they definitely "win by more" with Allen under center. The Eagles, that is. Why are you even on this forum? You think Mahomes never makes a mistake? Never throws an interception? You think he plays under the same pressure that Allen does in any given game? Do you understand the dynamics of why Brock Purdy could perform so well as the last person picked in the draft while talent much greater struggles? Keep being a 🤡without a clue it suits you well. 6 hours ago, Einstein said: Dude… Mahomes was right behind Allen in INT’s this year, and had one of the worst INT’s i’ve ever seen just a month or so ago. Forget about him, time to put him on block, doesn’t have a clue, most likely a troll from KC anyways. 4 hours ago, Airseven said: Mahomes is racking up MVPs, championships, and Super Bowl MVPs amidst what is now a dynasty. He's already in the conversation for top 5 QB ever. The need to continue to try and somehow drag him back into a comparison with Allen is pathetic at this point. The fact a Miami Dolphins fan is still trolling this board at this point in the season is even more pathetic… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said: The fact a Miami Dolphins fan is still trolling this board at this point in the season is even more pathetic… Airseven is a Dolphin fan? Makes more sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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