PetermansRedemption Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: He HATES the Bills.... why give this clown more time? One can hate the Bills and be correct at the same time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: For all the player talk, the COACHES should be the main focus of the blame. I ask again this: when has Dorsey mesmerized with good schemes, gameplans, creative formations, etc.? Players have to put in a position to win. Look at other teams for comparisons. Hey, just look at what happened yesterday: sure Burrows, Higgins, Chase are top notch. But they didn't have to be yesterday! Good schemes made them win. They used a second rounder on James Cook. He got five handoffs. They traded for Hines. I don't know that he got five handoff since they traded for him. So yeah, picking apart the talent of the players when they are playing for a guy that has no idea how to utilize them doesn't make much sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: One can hate the Bills and be correct at the same time I don't want to hear from ANY of them today... Chris Simms, Nick Wright, Bart Scott.... NONE OF THEM. I don't care how right they are... I'll get my assessments from somewhere other than their ASSessments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Does everyone realize that the last Pro Bowler drafted the by the Bills was 2018 (Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds). 25 other teams have drafted at least 1 during that period, the 7 who haven't are all weaker teams. Time to reevaluate drafting and development? I'd say overdue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: He HATES the Bills.... why give this clown more time? Um, no he doesn’t. Josh Allen is probably his favorite player in the league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: He's not wrong about the talent on the offensive side of the ball - the OL and skill players - not being comparable at all to the other remaining teams in the playoffs. When he starts going off on how there's no (this player that player) on defense, I think he's missing that we lost Von Miller to injury and that we were playing without DaQuan Jones who has been key for us, and with Oliver and Phillips hampered. Sorry but he's right on with defense also. Stats would seem we're better than the eye test shows. At those critical times they don't have those elite play makers. Other teams have improved in our division and we're falling behind. That's true league wide as well. We need better players on both sides of the ball. This isn't a coaching issue it's a talent issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, dgrochester55 said: I am an Orioles fan for baseball and the direction that these Bills are going remind me a lot of the Orioles between 2012 and 2018. Both did a great job changing the culture of a long time losing team and added a core group of players that quickly turned them into a playoff caliber team. For the Orioles, the downfall was not having a good farm team or signing the right people to address weaknesses. When the good players lost a step or moved on, they were not properly replaced and the bottom fell out fast. I am worried about the Bills going in the same direction. When you look at the last three years, most of the players drafted or signed are not getting it done. Defensive line is where this stands out most. You cant spend a ton of money and high round draft capital on a defensive line and only end up with a deep rotation of average players. Nobody properly filled the voids of Brown and Beasley at WR so we signed the actual Brown and Beasley back despite them being past their primes. The line outside of Dawkins and Morse is a revolving door despite constantly adding veterans and drafting one or two per year. If Buffalo is going to stay on the top tier of the AFC and not regress, it starts with signing and drafting better players and finding out what changed in our talent evaluation to make it worse. On the one hand, statistically we've had one of the best defenses in football for the last 3 years - 2nd, 3rd, 2nd in points given up On the other hand, it's inarguable that the defense hasn't been able to "close the deal" in the big game at the end of the year I don't think there can really be an argument that the FA and draft investment on DL have not resulted in an adequate ROI during McDermott's entire tenure here. As far as offense, I feel that we've been overachieving with underwhelming players. I think the success we had with Beasley may be a problem, in that it depended upon his high level of skill at both reading the D and being on the same page as the QB in what he'd do in those circs. I'm also told that a lot of the Bills plays allow the WR freedom to chose the route they run looking at the defense. If so, too often this season it's resulted in two WR being too close to each other on the routes they choose, and bringing extra defenders into each others vicinity. It also has the problem that when the D is playing the O in a way they may not expect, they may not be able to be on the same page with in-game adjustments. Maybe we need a different offense that is more defined and depends more on scheme and play design to get guys open, than on individual football wisdom and vision to choose the correct routes based on what they see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 We took a big chance that Gabe and McKenzie would take the next step being thrust into starting roles. Everyone bought the Gabe hype after that KC game. But it was so bad they coaxed Beasely and Smoke off the couch mid-season. Simms is right on. Bills need to invest in Josh's weapons. Need to sign a few higher end veteran WRs and draft a WR in the 1st. Draft some interior Online and maybe bring in a vet RT to compete with Spencer Brown, who has been horrible in pass protection. Most teams build around their franchise QB. We've done the opposite in recent years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Talent? There is Josh Allen, and Stefon Diggs and a massive amount of defensive draft capital failures and Fa signings on defense. I dont know if anyone gets fired this year, but if McBean and McDermott can't get their head out of their defensive asses then they need to go. They got lucky on 1 pick. Josh Allen. They suck otherwise 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Different analyst but same basic points. I can't disagree with anything he says here. 3 1 3 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Funny that he goes on and on about the lack of talent on Bills' roster, then is suggesting the coaches should maybe be let go in the same segment. A team with no talent doesn't go 13-3 with bad coaching, and vice versa. Earlier in the season, the narrative was very much that the Bills were the most complete team in football. I really think this is a lot of stupid hot takes based solely on yesterday's drubbing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Beck Water said: He's not wrong about the talent on the offensive side of the ball - the OL and skill players - not being comparable at all to the other remaining teams in the playoffs. When he starts going off on how there's no (this player that player) on defense, I think he's missing that we lost Von Miller to injury and that we were playing without DaQuan Jones who has been key for us, and with Oliver and Phillips hampered. He is not missing it, just realizing what the rest of us realize. Outside of Allen they have failed miserably in the draft, which has been heavily focused on that DL that is invisible to any non Bills fan Edited January 23, 2023 by Gunsgoodtime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Different analyst but same basic points. I can't disagree with anything he says here. Good stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 That was harsh. But very accurate. There’s no question that there needs to be some “sizzle” added to this entree. But, where’s the cap space for that? The Von Miller signing really looks bad to me today. It’s one of those deals that’s not going to have the same value next year, as it did this year. And it’s a lot of money. If another DC is brought in, does Miller fit the same way? Hindsight is 20/20, if’s and but’s and all the nuts, I’m just saying that there’s not a lot of money in the cupboard for sizzle, let alone Super Bowl caliber sizzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Agree with Florio on everything. Brutal, yes, but highly accurate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Good comp. The Panthers tried for years to get by with the likes of Ted Ginn Jr and Devin Funchess. They then drafted a catch radius guy in the first (Benjamin). The DJ Moore first round pick in 2018 was wise, though - he is good. But Cam was nearing the end by that point and the Panthers’ window had closed. They had Steve Smith 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Different analyst but same basic points. I can't disagree with anything he says here. I have been saying this verbatim for three years now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: They had Steve Smith Great player, but his last year in Carolina was 2013 and he had slowed down a little by then. His best season was 2005, although he was still elite in 2011 (Cam’s rookie year). I think Gunnar is referring to the post-Smith years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Great player, but his last year in Carolina was 2013 and he had slowed down a little by then. His best season was 2005, although he was still elite in 2011 (Cam’s rookie year). I think Gunnar is referring to the post-Smith years. Got it lol shouldnt have just jumped in someone else's conversation 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Different analyst but same basic points. I can't disagree with anything he says here. Those tweets are exactly what I have been posting on here today, before reading the. McBean hit on Josh Allen, but has pretty much failed miserably drafting, largely wasted picks on the Defense. What player outside of Allen has played up to where they were drafted? They have used the majority of our draft capital on defense and it has failed 4 years in a row. How long can you have Josh Allen as your qb and you not make it to the Suoer Bowl and not be fired? I think its a real question this year. If they go heavy on Defense in April fire them on the spot, you obviously can't fix their mentality 6 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: That was harsh. But very accurate. There’s no question that there needs to be some “sizzle” added to this entree. But, where’s the cap space for that? The Von Miller signing really looks bad to me today. It’s one of those deals that’s not going to have the same value next year, as it did this year. And it’s a lot of money. If another DC is brought in, does Miller fit the same way? Hindsight is 20/20, if’s and but’s and all the nuts, I’m just saying that there’s not a lot of money in the cupboard for sizzle, let alone Super Bowl caliber sizzle. I was one if the few that was disappointed we tied so much cash into yet, another old defensive player to cover up for the draft failures that we had already heavily invested in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, skibum said: Funny that he goes on and on about the lack of talent on Bills' roster, then is suggesting the coaches should maybe be let go in the same segment. A team with no talent doesn't go 13-3 with bad coaching, and vice versa. Earlier in the season, the narrative was very much that the Bills were the most complete team in football. I really think this is a lot of stupid hot takes based solely on yesterday's drubbing. Yeah, I've thought the same thing. The Bills record was 13 - 3 with the best point differential in the AFC and the second best strength of victory. They were a legitimately good team. A person can't simultaneously argue they were both under talented and poorly coached, unless you're trying to argue that Allen was super human. Obviously, it is very important for the actual decision makers to figure out which of the two is the real root cause of yesterdays debacle. My vote is on the coaching, especially the coordinators in charge of the game planning. Edited January 23, 2023 by Wraith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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