billvernsays Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 "NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports that Vikings CB Andrew Booth (knee) will miss the remainder of the season after undergoing surgery. Booth's rookie season was one to forget, as he dealt with multiple injuries and played behind lower-drafted rookie corner Akaylab Evans. Booth had a 41.7 PFF coverage grade in 61 coverage snaps against the Bills and Cowboys. Those aren't exactly easy offenses to play against as a rookie getting a first taste of NFL action, but it wasn't an inspiring performance. He'll likely be placed on IR in the near future, and the Vikings will hope for a rebound in year two." I didn't at the time but now I see that Elam was the better pick, we have been trying to get him used to playing outside his comfort "zone" in the early part of the year and he's been getting better and better. Now in the playoffs we'll be able to be run multiple coverages with his skill set along with Tre back in the fold 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, billvernsays said: "NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports that Vikings CB Andrew Booth (knee) will miss the remainder of the season after undergoing surgery. Booth's rookie season was one to forget, as he dealt with multiple injuries and played behind lower-drafted rookie corner Akaylab Evans. Booth had a 41.7 PFF coverage grade in 61 coverage snaps against the Bills and Cowboys. Those aren't exactly easy offenses to play against as a rookie getting a first taste of NFL action, but it wasn't an inspiring performance. He'll likely be placed on IR in the near future, and the Vikings will hope for a rebound in year two." I didn't at the time but now I see that Elam was the better pick, we have been trying to get him used to playing outside his comfort "zone" in the early part of the year and he's been getting better and better. Now in the playoffs we'll be able to be run multiple coverages with his skill set along with Tre back in the fold The crazy thing about Elam is how comfortable he has gotten in zone so quickly after basically learning it from scratch. Earlier in the year, a week or two after the Ravens game, someone who is knowledgeable with coverages and DB play did a breakdown of all the rookie CB's and was super impressed with Elam's abilities in zone coverage and actually asked if he played a lot of it in college because it looked very natural to him. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I was hoping for Booth, Pickens, Watson, Jermaine Johnson or Tyler Smith. Wasn’t happy with Elam. I’m somewhat happy now. Booth was my #1 cb on the board although the injury talk put a little fear in me. After his training camp battle with Benford ended in a virtual tie, Elam has looked ok and his upside is evident. Good character with great physical attributes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The crazy thing about Elam is how comfortable he has gotten in zone so quickly after basically learning it from scratch. Earlier in the year, a week or two after the Ravens game, someone who is knowledgeable with coverages and DB play did a breakdown of all the rookie CB's and was super impressed with Elam's abilities in zone coverage and actually asked if he played a lot of it in college because it looked very natural to him. That's awesome, is it on YouTube? Where did you see the breakdown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Thankfully, there is a sufficient sample size to make this determination and not just a handful of games. That would be silly. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: I was hoping for Booth, Pickens, Watson, Jermaine Johnson or Tyler Smith. Wasn’t happy with Elam. I’m somewhat happy now. Booth was my #1 cb on the board although the injury talk put a little fear in me. After his training camp battle with Benford ended in a virtual tie, Elam has looked ok and his upside is evident. Good character with great physical attributes I wanted Lloyd, D Wyatt (before I realized how freaking good our DTs were), or Booth Cheers to McBeane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Thankfully, there is a sufficient sample size to make this determination and not just a handful of games. That would be silly. Im sorry this is TBD where we jump to conclusions immediately 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Thankfully, there is a sufficient sample size to make this determination and not just a handful of games. That would be silly. I sense sarcasm here.👆 The fact that injury concerns were the reason why he (Booth) dropped and the fact that we need the help this year allows me to be able to say accurately say this was the right call for our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 If the front office and scouting department decided Elam was better than I was also convinced. They seem to know what they are doing when it comes to cornerbacks. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, DJB said: Im sorry this is TBD where we jump to conclusions immediately Isn't this a message board? Aren't we all fans (short for fanatics) of the Buffalo Bills ? If we can't have hot takes here where can we? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, billvernsays said: I sense sarcasm here.👆 The fact that injury concerns were the reason why he (Booth) dropped and the fact that we need the help this year allows me to be able to say accurately say this was the right call for our team. I feel so much better now that I read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Better than Let me think about it. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, billvernsays said: Isn't this a message board? Aren't we all fans (short for fanatics) of the Buffalo Bills ? If we can't have hot takes here where can we? Main & Bailey,every Saturday 7:30 pm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Better than Let me think about it. It’s only been 157 years. Too soon, man. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I'm not jumping of the Booth Bus. Was on it pre-draft, still think he has everything to be an elite corner. But he has had a rough start and I think Elam for someone I had as low floor, high ceiling has displayed a pretty reasonable floor as a rookie. He hasn't been rookie Tre White... but his rookie season has been comparable in performance with the guys that have come since as 1st rounders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, billvernsays said: "NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports that Vikings CB Andrew Booth (knee) will miss the remainder of the season after undergoing surgery. Booth's rookie season was one to forget, as he dealt with multiple injuries and played behind lower-drafted rookie corner Akaylab Evans. Booth had a 41.7 PFF coverage grade in 61 coverage snaps against the Bills and Cowboys. Those aren't exactly easy offenses to play against as a rookie getting a first taste of NFL action, but it wasn't an inspiring performance. He'll likely be placed on IR in the near future, and the Vikings will hope for a rebound in year two." I didn't at the time but now I see that Elam was the better pick, we have been trying to get him used to playing outside his comfort "zone" in the early part of the year and he's been getting better and better. Now in the playoffs we'll be able to be run multiple coverages with his skill set along with Tre back in the fold He's not quite Charles Woodson in his prime yet. So no need for so much hyperbole. But he looks like he has potential to be a solid starting NFL CB. He looks to have more potential then Dane Jackson. (I know Jackson was a 7th round pick. But the guy still sucks.) I look for Elam to make a big jump next season if he can stay healthy. Being an NFL rookie is not easy. So lets hope Elam turns into a worthwhile first round pick going forward. A better version of Leodis McKelvin would be pretty darn good. In fact I would be very happy if he ends up playing at or near the level of Nate Clements or Antoine Winfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 let’s not get ahead of ourselves… 4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Better than Let me think about it. Better peripheral vision… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: He's not quite Charles Woodson in his prime yet. So no need for so much hyperbole. But he looks like he has potential to be a solid starting NFL CB. He looks to have more potential then Dane Jackson. (I know Jackson was a 7th round pick. But the guy still sucks.) I look for Elam to make a big jump next season if he can stay healthy. Being an NFL rookie is not easy. So lets hope Elam turns into a worthwhile first round pick going forward. A better version of Leodis McKelvin would be pretty darn good. In fact I would be very happy if he ends up playing at or near the level of Nate Clements or Antoine Winfield. Clements and Winfield were excellent 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: He's not quite Charles Woodson in his prime yet. So no need for so much hyperbole. But he looks like he has potential to be a solid starting NFL CB. He looks to have more potential then Dane Jackson. (I know Jackson was a 7th round pick. But the guy still sucks.) I look for Elam to make a big jump next season if he can stay healthy. Being an NFL rookie is not easy. So lets hope Elam turns into a worthwhile first round pick going forward. A better version of Leodis McKelvin would be pretty darn good. In fact I would be very happy if he ends up playing at or near the level of Nate Clements or Antoine Winfield. I think the post was reasoned and modest. I am missing the exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Have we really clearly hit on cornerback besides Tre White? I reallize our defensive scheme overall has led to pretty nice stats. But is seems more scheme driven than individual talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 15 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Clements and Winfield were excellent Yes they were. And we let both of them go. The NFL was not as pass happy a league back 20 years ago. But it hurts to let real good players go.. Same with Pat Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Also, Elam > McDuffie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 22 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Better than Let me think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 20 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: It’s only been 157 years. Too soon, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 12:46 PM, billvernsays said: "NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports that Vikings CB Andrew Booth (knee) will miss the remainder of the season after undergoing surgery. Booth's rookie season was one to forget, as he dealt with multiple injuries and played behind lower-drafted rookie corner Akaylab Evans. Booth had a 41.7 PFF coverage grade in 61 coverage snaps against the Bills and Cowboys. Those aren't exactly easy offenses to play against as a rookie getting a first taste of NFL action, but it wasn't an inspiring performance. He'll likely be placed on IR in the near future, and the Vikings will hope for a rebound in year two." I didn't at the time but now I see that Elam was the better pick, we have been trying to get him used to playing outside his comfort "zone" in the early part of the year and he's been getting better and better. Now in the playoffs we'll be able to be run multiple coverages with his skill set along with Tre back in the fold Because the other guy got injured? How enlightening. They both played behind later round rookies. I actually really like Elam as a player and I think he's flashed some, but your reasoning here (or lack thereof) is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) I try not to get too, worked up over rookie seasons because they don’t really tell us how the player is going to pan out in the long run as it stands right now sauce was worthy of his pick, and so was Elam Booth was projected by many that wanted a first round, running back, and so far the jury still out on him McDuffie as well too many injuries for both of them in the first year Edited November 30, 2022 by John from Riverside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 2:17 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Better than Let me think about it. Holy crap Ridge, I almost forgot about that first actor. He was a funny actor in the 70’s. A little touched. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: Holy crap Ridge, I almost forgot about that first actor. He was a funny actor in the 70’s. A little touched. He was great in the westerns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He was great in the westerns Yeah, he was probably in Gunsmoke and Bonanza like every other character alive at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I was concerned that he was not getting the defense early in the year, but definitely understand a rookie in a complex defense. His play recently makes me think that if Tre is back to his old self we have our two starting DBs for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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