Allen's final throw, bad decision or bad pass?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Go dance with Kirk on the plane.  Enjoy the win. 
 

You’re stuck with Kirk Cousins come Playoff time.

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Einstein]

  On 11/15/2022 at 11:51 PM, HoofHearted said:

 

Double Post is a Quarters beater. They had the perfect concept dialed up for the coverage they got. Josh just threw a dud.

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Yeah the play call was not the problem on that particular play.

[Buftex]

Should have thrown it to wide open Singletary, who would have gotten at least 8-12 yards (on 2nd & 10), if he hadn't been able to take it all the way. Bad decision.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

  On 11/15/2022 at 1:19 PM, HoofHearted said:

I know based on the other routes in the concept. Football is not complicated.

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Plus Dorsey said exactly that in his Monday press conference - double post. 

  On 11/16/2022 at 12:01 AM, Buftex said:

Should have thrown it to wide open Singletary, who would have gotten at least 8-12 yards (on 2nd & 10), if he hadn't been able to take it all the way. Bad decision.

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No he wouldn’t have. 
 

There is a Minnesota LB about 10 yards off, and another corner 4 yards behind him.

 

Singletary gets 5-6 yards there.

[T master]

Earlier in the year Josh was taking what the Defense gave him i think on that one & some others especially when he gets behind he tries to go for the big one to much instead of taking whats there & letting his play makers do the rest .

 

Sure Josh is our number 1 play maker & it all starts with him but he tries to do too much some times he just needs to settle back down it will come back to him !! 

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[reddogblitz]

It was the throw.  Just like it was the throw in the other pick and the throw when he missed Diggs in the EZ and others.  His accuracy was off due to his sore arm I suspect.

 

He made a lot of good throws but a lot more bad ones than usual.

 

I have not heard anyone mention this and maybe I'm wrong, but it looked to me his throwing motion was even different than usual.

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[Buftex]

  On 11/16/2022 at 12:18 AM, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Plus Dorsey said exactly that in his Monday press conference - double post. 

No he wouldn’t have. 
 

There is a Minnesota LB about 10 yards off, and another corner 4 yards behind him.

 

Singletary gets 5-6 yards there.

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Okay...i'll take 3rd & 5 or 3rd & 4 , over throwing into traffic when it really wasn't necessary.  It wasn't 4th down

[Golden]

  On 11/16/2022 at 12:45 AM, reddogblitz said:

It was the throw.  Just like it was the throw in the other pick and the throw when he missed Diggs in the EZ and others.  His accuracy was off due to his sore arm I suspect.

 

He made a lot of good throws but a lot more bad ones than usual.

 

I have not heard anyone mention this and maybe I'm wrong, but it looked to me his throwing motion was even different than usual.

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Plus, I would believe that playing so soon after the injury was in his head.  Totally understandable 

[reddogblitz]

  On 11/16/2022 at 3:05 AM, Golden said:

Plus, I would believe that playing so soon after the injury was in his head.  Totally understandable 

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It absolutely was which is why he was sliding earlier in the game on runs.  

[Scott7975]

  On 11/16/2022 at 12:01 AM, Buftex said:

Should have thrown it to wide open Singletary, who would have gotten at least 8-12 yards (on 2nd & 10), if he hadn't been able to take it all the way. Bad decision.

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At the time Josh made the decision to throw and started to #### his arm, Singletary was still blocking another player.  People see one still shot and one guy claim "Look Singletary was wide open!!!" and dont bother to look at the actual play.  Watch the entire play, not just some guys still shot trying to make himself look like a genius.

[BullBuchanan]

  On 11/15/2022 at 11:51 PM, HoofHearted said:

 

Double Post is a Quarters beater. They had the perfect concept dialed up for the coverage they got. Josh just threw a dud.

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Not on that route. Look at the play. In order to hit Davis on target Josh need to throw at exactly when the video is at 0:03. He needs to float the ball over the LB but with enough velocity that it doesn't get picked by the safety int he middle of the field and low enough that Davis can make a play on it. It's a near impossible throw. I can't screenshot it because of the website size limitations, but the window is minuscule between #22 & #7 .
 

 

[HoofHearted]

  On 11/16/2022 at 7:03 PM, BullBuchanan said:

Not on that route. Look at the play. In order to hit Davis on target Josh need to throw at exactly when the video is at 0:03. He needs to float the ball over the LB but with enough velocity that it doesn't get picked by the safety int he middle of the field and low enough that Davis can make a play on it. It's a near impossible throw. I can't screenshot it because of the website size limitations, but the window is minuscule between #22 & #7 .
 

 

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Oh, I meant schematically. Double Post is a Quarters beater. You made a comment in your post that the defense the Vikings called was perfect to stop the play (or something along those lines). They defended it well and Allen should have 100% checked it down.

[Just in Atlanta]

So what we're saying is there was a receiver in the vicinity of the throw? Wow! Josh gets an ice cream cone with sprinkles.

It was a needlessly reckless bad throw and decision.

 

It happens. Even to the best. 

 

 

[Shaw66]

  On 11/16/2022 at 6:20 PM, Scott7975 said:

 

At the time Josh made the decision to throw and started to #### his arm, Singletary was still blocking another player.  People see one still shot and one guy claim "Look Singletary was wide open!!!" and dont bother to look at the actual play.  Watch the entire play, not just some guys still shot trying to make himself look like a genius.

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A quarterback who understands the play design understands that Singletary will release late, because the qb knows Singletary will block first.  Josh had good protection, so he had time to see both that the pass defenders had dropped out of the area where Singletary would go.  A qb doing his job in that situation will wait for Singletary to clear and give him the ball.  

[ColoradoBills]

  On 11/15/2022 at 9:17 PM, Shaw66 said:

 

Ultimately, it's McDermott's problem.  His job is to be sure the coaches and players are doing their jobs.   And right now, his coaches and players aren't getting it done, which means McDermott's not getting it done. 

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Ultimately it is on McDermott.  The question I have is, has McDermott already addressed this to Dorsey and Allen and nothing has changed.

 

Dorsey has been described as a "highly intensive" person and we know that Josh can get that way too.  I find it hard to believe that

McDermott, who tends to be a little conservative, hasn't given his input.

 

The play in question is only one example of how I'm yelling at my TV for them to take what the D is giving.  I seem to be saying that a lot

in the last number of games.

 

[MJS]

It was still a bad decision. He didn't need to try to thread the needle there.

[Scott7975]

  On 11/16/2022 at 7:56 PM, Shaw66 said:

A quarterback who understands the play design understands that Singletary will release late, because the qb knows Singletary will block first.  Josh had good protection, so he had time to see both that the pass defenders had dropped out of the area where Singletary would go.  A qb doing his job in that situation will wait for Singletary to clear and give him the ball.  

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Josh thought he had a TD.  If he thinks he has a TD he is going to throw it.  Windows are small.  Decisions and actions are split second. If you watch the play from either the redzone look or the behind Josh look the play was actually there.  There was a hole in the endzone and Davis had a step on the defender.  Josh threw the ball behind which allowed the INT to happen.  It was just a bad throw.  That is all.

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[Shaw66]

  On 11/16/2022 at 9:21 PM, Scott7975 said:

 

Josh thought he had a TD.  If he thinks he has a TD he is going to throw it.  Windows are small.  Decisions and actions are split second. If you watch the play from either the redzone look or the behind Josh look the play was actually there.  There was a hole in the endzone and Davis had a step on the defender.  Josh threw the ball behind which allowed the INT to happen.  It was just a bad throw.  That is all.

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No, that is not all.  It's situational football.  The downside of risking a bad throw is MUCH bigger in overtime than in  the second quarter.  Josh has to know the difference and make a better decision.