Von Biller is just Von Miller

[ShakAttack]

I get that he has played for 3 different teams in approximately a one year span, and I get that he has been through every scenario as he constantly reminds us in every press conference, particularly with his endless references to playing for the Rams, where he played for one entire half season + playoffs, but…

 

Does anyone else get the sense from listening to his pressers that he still hasn’t embraced being a member of the Bills TEAM? 
 

look he is a great player and he has come through in some big moments for us. Unfortunately, we couldn’t capitalize on his last couple timely sacks, though.
 

But, it seems like when he is in press conferences, there is a little too much of “you guys” instead of “us”. No loss seems to bother him (was he like that in Denver too? Not sure) And I’ve never seen a Bills player openly express how much of a FAN he is of the opponent after getting beat, and select players on the opponent’s team. You’d think he has played for as many teams as Ryan Fitzpatrick, but in fact, this is only his 3rd team. 
 

It is a bit reminiscent of Frank Gore and Emmanuel Sanders when they were here for a year and knew it, and it was reflected in their interviews, but both players were at the ends of their careers and knew it too, and they also had to know they were only in Buffalo for a year.  

 

But Miller signed a 6 YEAR DEAL to be a Buffalo Bill, and while most of us probably don’t expect him to play out that entire contract, I think we also expect at least a few years out of it, so I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but the pressers are starting to bug me… I wish I didn’t get the impression that he seems disassociated from the team at times, and more of a neutral Player that is just there for himself and his personal goals. 
 

That said, if that’s how he has always been, and if that’s what makes him the player that he is, then alright.. I’m on board I guess? 
 

On a side note, I also like his positivity, but sometimes it feels a little misplaced. He preaches games like these being “good medicine” etc. but I can’t help but think that at some point, when we CONTINUE to lose games in the most explicable fashion, are these games really building character and making us stronger? Or is it just causing us to fall deeper and deeper down this hole we are digging, and all we can do as fans is wait and hope for the team to finally and suddenly snap out of it like we did in the second half against the Bucs last year, and never look back.

 

I know this is probably unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and there’s a lot more to be upset about today related to the actual game that was played, but it’s 3AM here, and I’ve already gone through every thought process trying to find a silver lining somewhere so I can move on (That seems to be how I process bills losses) and the last presser I watched was Von’s, so it kinda stuck with me.  

Edited November 14, 2022 by BobBelcher

[Big Turk]

No. Stop looking for silly angles

 

[boyst]

i've never liked his character and his personality from the start but this is a little harsh for a take the day after a loss.

 

since entering the league he has not been shy to get in front of a camera and make sure everyone knew who he was... now he needs to get in front of a camera and hold guys accountable.

[ShakAttack]

Just now, boyst said:

i've never liked his character and his personality from the start but this is a little harsh for a take the day after a loss.

 

since entering the league he has not been shy to get in front of a camera and make sure everyone knew who he was... now he needs to get in front of a camera and hold guys accountable.

yeah I get it, probably the result of not getting sleep and having already gone through every thought related to the game itself 10 Times over, my mind wandered.  And after watching that presser, all I could think was “man, this is getting old”.  For once, I wanted to see some of the sentiment we got from like every other player that interviewed for the Bills after the game.  These games aren’t “normal” like he apparently makes them out to be.  In this particular case, I wanted to see some kind of frustration, passion, holding guys accountable as you said. Instead of “MAN! I don’t know but I had FUN out there!”  Yeah I don’t know man. Lol. I better get some sleep. Oh wait, it’s Monday. Gotta work.

[ExiledInIllinois]

But we did capitalize on the sacks and stopped them. The O  just screwed the pooch on the victory formation. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Not at the table Karlos]

Yep. The more he talks the more I feel like he regrets coming here. He said right after he signed he had second thoughts. Then not long ago he said he felt homesick for the rams all through camp. He still brings up LA with McVay and OBJ a lot.  He does talk about the rest of the team as they or you guys.

 

He is producing tho

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

yeah I get it, probably the result of not getting sleep and having already gone through every thought related to the game itself 10 Times over, my mind wandered.  And after watching that presser, all I could think was “man, this is getting old”.  For once, I wanted to see some of the sentiment we got from like every other player that interviewed for the Bills after the game.  These games aren’t “normal” like he apparently makes them out to be.  In this particular case, I wanted to see some kind of frustration, passion, holding guys accountable as you said. Instead of “MAN! I don’t know but I had FUN out there!”  Yeah I don’t know man. Lol. I better get some sleep. Oh wait, it’s Monday. Gotta work.

Yeah... Because the one that needs to be held accountable is McD. He put players in a bad situation:

 

1. Not kicking FG

2. The stupid scrum on goal line

 

He lost the game.

[BurpleBull]

Silver lining is that it forces us to pay closer attention to detail and never take our foot off the gas, Tre D still has yet to play, Elam was out, I don't think Poyer played, the defense stopped the Vikings from scoring a game-ending TD in OT,  Allen gaveth us a chance to win in OT, Allen tooketh it away, we held our own destiny at the end of the day. 

 

 

Allen will clear his head, we will get back on track as one unit!

 

*Miller's a different kind of cat from what I hear, so maybe that's just it, or maybe 9 games just isn't enough to erase the memories of being on what to him may have been the greatest team he felt he'd ever played on, he did win a championship there after all. His pressures, sacks, and character (which seems very solid to me) is all I'm gonna judge the man on.*

 

 

 

[thenorthremembers]

Don't love that he constantly talks about his regrets and old girlfriends.  Do love that he is producing. 

 

 Even if he hates it here, he's going to be here at the very least through the rest of this season and two after that.  So he better buckle in.

 

 

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

But we did capitalize on the sacks and stopped them. The O  just screwed the pooch on the victory formation. 

Didn’t his sack put the Vikes in a 4th and 19 and they completed a 22 yard pass to Jefferson? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, mrags said:

Didn’t his sack put the Vikes in a 4th and 19 and they completed a 22 yard pass to Jefferson? 

Yeah. Fluke catch. Bad luck. 

[NewEra]

[ShakAttack]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah... Because the one that needs to be held accountable is McD. He put players in a bad situation:

 

1. Not kicking FG

2. The stupid scrum on goal line

 

He lost the game.

definitely never implied that he lost the game. In fact, in the OP I mentioned that it was unfortunate we were unable to capitalize on his last couple of timely sacks. My issue is not with his play, at all. But I do wonder if he’d be a better player if he embraced being a Buffalo bill a little more, like many of his teammates seem to. Or maybe, this is who he has always been, and this is what makes him the great player that he is. I’d like to go back to his pressers from Broncos / Rams (particularly the Rams when they went on their 3 game losing streak last year) and find out. And if this is just who he is, and is what made him one of the best players of all time at his position, then more power to him.  

[bmur66]

I watch him play. That's it. He does his job well.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Von Miller even turned around to watch the circus catch.  Crazy.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah. Fluke catch. Bad luck. 

But it WAS a catch. And I DID happen. And we DID lose. 

[Chandler#81]

Jeeez! All the critters crawl out after a loss. Disgraceful.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

But it WAS a catch. And I DID happen. And we DID lose. 

But... That was just them bending, they never broke. The O couldn't get a victory snap or two to play nice.

 

The D did not lose the game. 6 points came directly off an offensive fumble in a crappy formation. 

 

The D held. 

[mrags]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

But... That was just them bending, they never broke. The O couldn't get a victory snap or two to play nice.

 

The D did not lose the game. 6 points came directly off an offensive fumble in a crappy formation. 

 

The D held. 

33 points. Got ya 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

Jeeez! All the critters crawl out after a loss. Disgraceful.

I am trying to keep order! I see my shift is done here! 

Just now, mrags said:

33 points. Got ya 

Don't blame the D.  They held. 

[LABILLBACKER]

19 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Yep. The more he talks the more I feel like he regrets coming here. He said right after he signed he had second thoughts. Then not long ago he said he felt homesick for the rams all through camp. He still brings up LA with McVay and OBJ a lot.  He does talk about the rest of the team as they or you guys.

 

He is producing tho

 

He's definitely dropped a few inuendos gushing over McVey and not so much McD.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Jeeez! All the critters crawl out after a loss. Disgraceful.

The defense has been terrible for a good portion of the year. Just like the years of our mediocrity. Stop then to give them a 3rd and long and then give up a huge play, usually because of a blown coverage. Or a DB that has played the position since he was a middle schooler doesn’t get his head around for the ball. Or a LB or S forgets how to tackle. It’s infuriating how bad this team is at tackling. And this is from a career defensive HC. Our top tier defenses even in the past few years have been smoke and mirrors. 

[muppy]

OMG OP is blaming Von Miller for the loss yesterday? That is when I stopped reading. NO credit to the vikings OL and the team having a 1 loss record. Maybe just maybe there are issues on the team but him??

 

wow. that is stirring the pot allright. pot of b*******. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

The defense has been terrible for a good portion of the year. Just like the years of our mediocrity. Stop then to give them a 3rd and long and then give up a huge play, usually because of a blown coverage. Or a DB that has played the position since he was a middle schooler doesn’t get his head around for the ball. Or a LB or S forgets how to tackle. It’s infuriating how bad this team is at tackling. And this is from a career defensive HC. Our top tier defenses even in the past few years have been smoke and mirrors. 

It happens when you’re missing your 4 of your 5 best DBs, your 2nd best pass rusher and your MLB (who’s playing the best football of his career).  
 

Cam Lewis was abysmal and lost the game more than anyone on the field.  The entire D wasn’t terrible.  Cam Lewis was.  And that’s expected.  That angle on Dalvins TD run…. Lol.  
 

Knock down the ball Cam.  KNOCK IT DOWN YOU IDIOT!!!

6 minutes ago, muppy said:

OMG OP is blaming Von Miller for the loss yesterday? That is when I stopped reading. NO credit to the vikings OL and the team having a 1 loss record. Maybe just maybe there are issues on the team but him??

 

wow. that is stirring the pot allright. pot of b*******. 

Really just a poor thought process going on.  Unreal

[ShakAttack]

7 minutes ago, muppy said:

OMG OP is blaming Von Miller for the loss yesterday? That is when I stopped reading. NO credit to the vikings OL and the team having a 1 loss record. Maybe just maybe there are issues on the team but him??

 

wow. that is stirring the pot allright. pot of b*******. 

well, you misread it then. Simple as that. Wasn’t at all blaming the loss on Von Miller. Not even close. 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

It happens when you’re missing your 4 of your 5 best DBs, your 2nd best pass rusher and your MLB (who’s playing the best football of his career).  
 

Cam Lewis was abysmal and lost the game more than anyone on the field.  The entire D wasn’t terrible.  Cam Lewis was.  And that’s expected.  That angle on Dalvins TD run…. Lol.  
 

Knock down the ball Cam.  KNOCK IT DOWN YOU IDIOT!!!

Really just a poor thought process going on.  Unreal

I won’t disagree with the injuries in the D. BUT, I will back my point to the fact that this FO has completely ignored help on offense in previous years. Allen in his prime? No high draft picks on WRs, or OL. When you clearly have holes in those areas. 
 

and you and I completely disagree on Edmunds. He missed so many tackles yesterday or completely choose the wrong hole to plug leading to big plays. Story of his career. And if they resign him they are more clueless than I thought they were. Really hope this doesn’t happen. He’s not a top tier LB. He doesn’t make splash plays and doesn’t deserve to be paid what he’s going to ask for. 

[muppy]

6 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

well, you misread it then. Simple as that. Wasn’t at all blaming the loss on Von Miller. Not even close. 

ahem No I don't think so.  You may not have said it in those exact terms but Today of all days you decided to write a hit piece regarding Von Miler?  I think you premises are founded in a conjecture that is bs.

Quote

I get that he has played for 3 different teams in approximately a one year span, and I get that he has been through every scenario as he constantly reminds us in every press conference, particularly with his endless references to playing for the Rams, where he played for one entire half season + playoffs, but…

 

Does anyone else get the sense from listening to his pressers that he still hasn’t embraced being a member of the Bills TEAM? 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by muppy

[BillMafia716ix]

I Love Von. He’s honest. Transparent and a damn good football player. He’s been worth every penny 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

I won’t disagree with the injuries in the D. BUT, I will back my point to the fact that this FO has completely ignored help on offense in previous years. Allen in his prime? No high draft picks on WRs, or OL. When you clearly have holes in those areas. 
 

and you and I completely disagree on Edmunds. He missed so many tackles yesterday or completely choose the wrong hole to plug leading to big plays. Story of his career. And if they resign him they are more clueless than I thought they were. Really hope this doesn’t happen. He’s not a top tier LB. He doesn’t make splash plays and doesn’t deserve to be paid what he’s going to ask for. 

Edmunds has been playing his ball ball this season.  Maybe not yesterday, but when he went out, they had 10 points at the half.  Then we got dismantled.  
 

They haven’t “ignored” offense.  They haven’t addressed the offense like you (and I) wanted them to address it.  Ignore, no.  
 

No mention of Josh totally s******g the bed.  If Josh didn’t throw terrible picks and fumble snaps we wouldn’t be having this discussion.  We’d be 8-1.  
 

If our D was destroyed by injuries, we might be undefeated 

[ShakAttack]

6 minutes ago, muppy said:

ahem No I don't think so.  You may not have said it in those exact terms but Today of all days you decided to write a hit piece regarding Von Miler?  

 

 

maybe you should have kept going:

 

“look he is a great player and he has come through in some big moments for us. Unfortunately, we couldn’t capitalize on his last couple timely sacks, though.
 

But, it seems like when he is in press conferences, there is a little too much of “you guys” instead of “us”. No loss seems to bother him (was he like that in Denver too? Not sure) And I’ve never seen a Bills player openly express how much of a FAN he is of the opponent after getting beat, and select players on the opponent’s team.”

 

I specifically gave Von Miller credit for doing his job with timely sacks (that we were unable to capitalize on)

 

the entire thread was about getting sour on Miller’s approach to press conferences.

 

say what you want about that, but at no point did I blame the GAME on him. That would be ridiculous and make no sense at all.

 

the closest thing to that is when i implied he might be an even better player if he was a bit more team

oriented, but even then, I took a step back and said hey maybe that is who he has always been, in which case, keep doing you Von.

 

so Yes, you definitely misinterpreted OP

[muppy]

Just now, BobBelcher said:

 

maybe you should have kept going:

 

“look he is a great player and he has come through in some big moments for us. Unfortunately, we couldn’t capitalize on his last couple timely sacks, though.
 

But, it seems like when he is in press conferences, there is a little too much of “you guys” instead of “us”. No loss seems to bother him (was he like that in Denver too? Not sure) And I’ve never seen a Bills player openly express how much of a FAN he is of the opponent after getting beat, and select players on the opponent’s team.”

 

I specifically gave Von Miller credit for doing his job with timely sacks (that we were unable to capitalize on)

 

the entire thread was about getting sour on Miller’s approach to press conferences.

 

say what you want about that, but at no point did I blame the GAME on him. That would be ridiculous and make no sense at all.

 

the closest thing to that is when i implied he might be an even better player if he was a bit more team

oriented, but even then, I took a step back and said hey maybe that is who he has always been, in which case, keep doing you Von.

 

so Yes, you definitely misinterpreted OP

it was the timing after a Huge loss. Perdon.  After the first paragraph the rest became suspect in my book.    Von Miller not buying into our Team because he doesnt sound right to you in press conferences I find ridiculous. Above is putting lipstick on a pig.

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Edmunds has been playing his ball ball this season.  Maybe not yesterday, but when he went out, they had 10 points at the half.  Then we got dismantled.  
 

They haven’t “ignored” offense.  They haven’t addressed the offense like you (and I) wanted them to address it.  Ignore, no.  
 

No mention of Josh totally s******g the bed.  If Josh didn’t throw terrible picks and fumble snaps we wouldn’t be having this discussion.  We’d be 8-1.  
 

If our D was destroyed by injuries, we might be undefeated 

Again, won’t disagree too much about the D because of the injuries. But you have a FO that has spent countless draft picks and FA pick ups on D. They should be deeper imo. I get that your entire defensive backfield was out. But you also knew the problems going into the trade deadline and picked up Marlowe as safety help. Yet he wasn’t on the field from what I could see yesterday. Instead you went with a converted DB for his first ever start at S. 
They knew the possibility of White not being prepared to play by the deadline I’m sure, and they picked up nobody. 
 

Yes, Josh played terrible at times yesterday and the last 3 games. But maybe if the defense could stop someone he wouldn’t feel the need to force things so much. 
the Defense gave up 23 points to comeback in the 2nd half yesterday and outplayed the last 2 weeks as well. We easily would have lost against the Packers if there was a few more minutes of clock. The defense has been atrocious in the 2nd half of games lately. I’d say that’s McD and Frazier making bad adjustments at halftime. Or at least a lack of adjustments. 
 

I really won’t argue Edmunds anymore. He’s not good. And he’s not worth what he’s going to ask for. Good LBs make splash plays, not tackle guys 5 yards downfield 

[Airseven]

Let’s stick to posts and not articles.

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

Again, won’t disagree too much about the D because of the injuries. But you have a FO that has spent countless draft picks and FA pick ups on D. They should be deeper imo. I get that your entire defensive backfield was out. But you also knew the problems going into the trade deadline and picked up Marlowe as safety help. Yet he wasn’t on the field from what I could see yesterday. Instead you went with a converted DB for his first ever start at S. 
They knew the possibility of White not being prepared to play by the deadline I’m sure, and they picked up nobody. 
 

Yes, Josh played terrible at times yesterday and the last 3 games. But maybe if the defense could stop someone he wouldn’t feel the need to force things so much. 
the Defense gave up 23 points to comeback in the 2nd half yesterday and outplayed the last 2 weeks as well. We easily would have lost against the Packers if there was a few more minutes of clock. The defense has been atrocious in the 2nd half of games lately. I’d say that’s McD and Frazier making bad adjustments at halftime. Or at least a lack of adjustments. 
 

I really won’t argue Edmunds anymore. He’s not good. And he’s not worth what he’s going to ask for. Good LBs make splash plays, not tackle guys 5 yards downfield 

Our defense completely melted down once he left the game yesterday. 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

Our defense completely melted down once he left the game yesterday. 

What about the last 2 games before it?

[Roundybout]

Just now, mrags said:

What about the last 2 games before it?

What about them?

[RoscoeParrish]

Glad he is on our team, but his pressers are cringeworthy. He rambles the same thing over and over for 5 minutes.  I know it’s just a game, but saying yesterday was “a lot of fun” in an opening statement is a head scratcher.

Edited November 14, 2022 by RoscoeParrish

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

What about them?

What’s the excuse for the defense melting down the last 2 weeks against the Jets and Packers?

[ShakAttack]

9 minutes ago, muppy said:

it was the timing after a Huge loss. Perdon.  After the first paragraph the rest became suspect in my book.    Von Miller not buying into our Team because he doesnt sound right to you in press conferences I find ridiculous. Above is putting lipstick on a pig.

fair enough. My point on his pressers doesn’t even qualify as a “concern” for me, as we have a laundry list of those and MAYBE I was trying to get my mind off of them for just a moment, but yes, it while it may not be a concern, it does bother me to some extent. Wouldn’t say it’s only my opinion though. While it may not be a popular one, others have certainty acknowledged it here and come up with better examples than I had to support my point as well. (Ie the talking up of Mcveigh and “missing” the LA Rams at times). I just feel like, you’re here now,  embrace it. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

But we did capitalize on the sacks and stopped them. The O  just screwed the pooch on the victory formation. 

 

It wasn't victory formation.  They would kneeled into their endzone.