Snappysnackcakes Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Hear me out…it’s bye-week and I’m bored Teams always jump on those last few picks of the first round, because they want to be able to lock a player up for that additional year of control over their rights - that 5th year. Let’s say we allow teams to offer players a salary slot of the last pick of the 1st round to all players drafted, (after round 1, of course) so that they hold their rights for the additional year, and the player is compensated “fairly” for allowing the team to do-so. When guys fall and in the intro press conference, when you hear the inevitable “we had a first round grade on…” they can prove it. Sincerely, Snappy Snackcakes Protector of The Realm Go Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Why would players agree to this? Most want to end their rookie contracts sooner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) I certainly believe you are bored Snappey. And demonstrating I must be bored as well since I read your post. Issues with your concept are 1) what does the team getting the extra "slot" have to give up in terms of draft picks 2) what player would want to get locked up in a longer rookie contract.. Edited October 20, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 They’re drafted in their original spot, only the terms are changed. “Pick 45 would be paid as pick 32 and the team holds their rights for the additional year” You’re not leaping over another team, no picks change hands. And the player receives a higher compensation and the guaranteed salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Cakes are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Cakes are good My God yes they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said: My God yes they are. I’m partial to any cakes with custard. What are your favorite type of cakes? also, the word “cake” is improper English. It should always be pronounced “cakes” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Interesting idea but it would take money from vets which is what the fixed cap numbers of rookies accomplishes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I’m partial to any cakes with custard. What are your favorite type of cakes? also, the word “cake” is improper English. It should always be pronounced “cakes” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 It’s an interesting idea, but it sounds similar to the franchise tag which is already not popular with the players. Would the teams need to designate when they draft a player they want to use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Hear me out… 😂😂😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It just sounds better. “I’m in the mood for cake”….. ”I’m in the mood for some cakes”… you know what sounds better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Threads like these really make me wish we had gotten our free Madden codes by now... On-topic, I think it would be a tough sell to the NFLPA, and the owners would probably have to give something up to get it. Additionally, a big part of why the current rookie pay system was put in place was to prevent contract hold outs (or more precisely huge contracts for unproven rookies to avoid those holdouts) - I could see players holding out to avoid this. Edited October 20, 2022 by Captain Caveman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Snappysnackcakes said: Hear me out…it’s bye-week and I’m bored Teams always jump on those last few picks of the first round, because they want to be able to lock a player up for that additional year of control over their rights - that 5th year. Let’s say we allow teams to offer players a salary slot of the last pick of the 1st round to all players drafted, (after round 1, of course) so that they hold their rights for the additional year, and the player is compensated “fairly” for allowing the team to do-so. When guys fall and in the intro press conference, when you hear the inevitable “we had a first round grade on…” they can prove it. Sincerely, Snappy Snackcakes Protector of The Realm Go Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Cakes are good I’m more of a pie guy, myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Teams rarely share their draft boards or grades on players - not even after the draft. This concept would essentially make draft boards an open book. While the current system may be imperfect, this solution won't cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m more of a pie guy, myself. Haha. I have a buddy that detests cakes and LOVES pie. Kinda like the Bills are Pie and the Pats are cakes. i don’t discriminate- I love pie too. My favorite being poontang pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 It's an interesting idea. Not sure either side would want or go for it. But if they did, the appeal from the NFLPA side would be that the 5th year options are fully guaranteed. Obviously for a 2nd round pick who became a breakout star, that still represents a pay cut. But if a 5th-year option was added across the board, setting it to the 32nd pick at least makes it somewhat "fair" for the player. I think the problem is that most teams have a pretty good idea of a player's upcoming market value, and they would only pick up the 5th year option if it represented a pay cut. So like others have said, this would be something the NFLPA would fight against. Having said that: Sports unions are often willing to bargain away the rights of undrafted players (who aren't actually union members yet). So if the proposal didn't apply to guys currently on rookie contracts, but only future draft classes, it could potentially be on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Why would the Players Union renegotiate contract elements that were recently implemented? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 44 minutes ago, Cash said: It's an interesting idea. Not sure either side would want or go for it. But if they did, the appeal from the NFLPA side would be that the 5th year options are fully guaranteed. Obviously for a 2nd round pick who became a breakout star, that still represents a pay cut. But if a 5th-year option was added across the board, setting it to the 32nd pick at least makes it somewhat "fair" for the player. I think the problem is that most teams have a pretty good idea of a player's upcoming market value, and they would only pick up the 5th year option if it represented a pay cut. So like others have said, this would be something the NFLPA would fight against. Having said that: Sports unions are often willing to bargain away the rights of undrafted players (who aren't actually union members yet). So if the proposal didn't apply to guys currently on rookie contracts, but only future draft classes, it could potentially be on the table. So my idea is that they have to designate them before they sign the original contract, and the 5th year becomes and option, BUT the player also gets the much higher salaries of a first rounder in the original contract. The 5th year options are not lowball 1 year contracts, either. Look at what Terrell is making this year and what Oliver is making next…it’s good money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 18 hours ago, Augie said: I’m more of a pie guy, myself. Pies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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