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6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:


Dolphins kinda should hide behind this. If this independent doctor is saying Tua was fine, you would think the dolphins would just rely on that. 
 

I am curious how this works though behind the scenes— does the team doctor just defer to the independent guy? Do they examine him together and consult with each other? 

 

But the protocol states that IF it's determined that the "symptoms" of the player is not concussion related the Team Physician determines

whether he plays or not.  It seems obvious to me that the system was set up that no one person alone can say the player can play.

 

Everything I have heard after the Bills game injury was the Miami team saying it wasn't a concussion.

We all will have to wait until more of the story in unfolded to us fans.

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I mentioned this in another thread somewhat jokingly, but I want any play Tua was involved in after the injury in the Buffalo game to be not counted, which means the Bills would have won the game 19-14, and now be 3-0 now, and Miami would be 2-2. I obviously know that will never happen, but it just irks me. The Bills were clearly the better team, and Tua never should have gone back in the game. Bridgewater wouldn't have beaten us.

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2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

But the protocol states that IF it's determined that the "symptoms" of the player is not concussion related the Team Physician determines

whether he plays or not.  It seems obvious to me that the system was set up that no one person alone can say the player can play.

 

Everything I have heard after the Bills game injury was the Miami team saying it wasn't a concussion.

We all will have to wait until more of the story in unfolded to us fans.

 

The team physician has exclusive decision whether he plays or not.

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1 minute ago, chongli said:

I mentioned this in another thread somewhat jokingly, but I want any play Tua was involved in after the injury in the Buffalo game to be not counted, which means the Bills would have won the game 19-14, and now be 3-0 now, and Miami would be 2-2. I obviously know that will never happen, but it just irks me. The Bills were clearly the better team, and Tua never should have gone back in the game. Bridgewater wouldn't have beaten us.

 

Nah this is about player safety.  Id rather incompentent people just get fired and lose their license while the team gets heavily fined and loses draft picks for the next two years because I dont think they have any this year.  It should be heavy because this is the second time they failed to follow protocol.

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I wonder what all the indignant, righteous Dolphins fans who've spent the past few days calling this a witch hunt and saying everything was done by the book are thinking right about now.

 

They are simps.  They still will think its a witch hunt.  They dont give two ***** about player safety.

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6 minutes ago, Logic said:

I wonder what all the indignant, righteous Dolphins fans who've spent the past few days calling this a witch hunt and saying everything was done by the book are thinking right about now.

 

Goalposts are shifted to "WELL THE NFL'S DOCTOR SAID HE WAS FINE SO IT'S NOT OUR FAULT"

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2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

needs to go much further then that.

One thing you have to understand is tua really wanted to play. He was in on it as much as anyone. He wants to be a great QB and is willing to do stupid things to try and make that happen. It just blew up in his face and everyone else’s….

 

I think I have seen this before though…. I thought a QB was done because of concussion syndrome yet he was able to come back. It went away for him….

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What I find interesting in all of this is if he is put in the protocol on Sunday from our game I believe He would not clear for Thursday.  It took Bates till Friday.  I think the protocol is 4 days asymptomatic.  If he sits our second half he sits Thursday. This had to play into their decision to put him back out there. 

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3 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

One thing you have to understand is tua really wanted to play. He was in on it as much as anyone. He wants to be a great QB and is willing to do stupid things to try and make that happen. It just blew up in his face and everyone else’s….

 

 

Part of me can understand a QB wanting to come back in the 2nd half in the heat of a battle. 

Everything after is now 100% on him.  He now has had plenty of time to come to a man's decision.

 

I said this earlier today.  If he is somehow cleared to play against the Jets next Sunday and chooses to play his health is his

responsibility.  If some Jets player causes another traumatic injury (even if that guy got fined) and he's out for the year, it's on him.

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17 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That is what I cannot find.  Everything I read is that both have the say.  Do you have something specifically saying that?

 

Yeah I posted it a ton of times lol

 

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For the avoidance of doubt, the responsibility for the diagnosis of concussion and the decision to return a player to a game remain exclusively within the professional judgment of the Head Team Physician or the Club physician designated as responsible for the diagnosis and management of concussion.

 

http://NFL Concussion Diagnosis and Management Protocol https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/resources/fact-sheets/nfl-head-neck-and-spine-committee-s-concussion-diagnosis-and-management-protocol

 

That actual state it several times to make sure its absolutely clear

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2 hours ago, Malazan said:

DeMaurice Smith is a moron. He fires this guy which gives a perfect scapegoat for the league and Dolphins. He should have been attacking the protocol and the team.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahha. 

 

Nobody is a moron. If you have no ethics, this is the perfect move. 

 

What else would the NFL do if they had no ethics? 

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5 minutes ago, since79 said:

What I find interesting in all of this is if he is put in the protocol on Sunday from our game I believe He would not clear for Thursday.  It took Bates till Friday.  I think the protocol is 4 days asymptomatic.  If he sits our second half he sits Thursday. This had to play into their decision to put him back out there. 

 

He firsts has to rest 24-48 hours before he can do anything.  That starts the second he is put in protocol.  Then he has to go through 5 stages and be cleared by an independent.  The chances of doing all that between Sunday afternoon and Thursday, especially for an away game, are slim to none.

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Part of me can understand a QB wanting to come back in the 2nd half in the heat of a battle. 

Everything after is now 100% on him.  He now has had plenty of time to come to a man's decision.

 

I said this earlier today.  If he is somehow cleared to play against the Jets next Sunday and chooses to play his health is his

responsibility.  If some Jets player causes another traumatic injury (even if that guy got fined) and he's out for the year, it's on him.

 

Im betting he will play.  They may keep him out as some sort of "see we do care" measure but at most he will miss one game.  Its really not all that hard to get through concussion protocol.  Its just time.

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52 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Theres even a better part.  The NFL already issued a statement days ago that said Miami followed protocol.

 

Another interesting thing I found is that this is not the first time protocol was in question for Miami and it was found that they didnt follow protocol then either:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-statement-on-matt-moore-concussion-protocol-review-0ap3000000779128

 

Heres a snip

 

 

But they're such a well run circus.

 

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23 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Can you give me the site.  The one posted takes me right back to this thread.

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