ExiledInIllinois Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, UKBillFan said: Yes, I feel the whole thing was to get Araiza cut, but I'm not sure if it's the best for this client long term. Not seeing him play ever again, especially in a nationally televised game... OR SuperBowl and all of San Diego rallying around "the local connection" could be mighty painful if what she was saying is true. Here's supposedly the guy that after six led you to an attack... And now he's making millions. Just saying. Poetic justice that he's ruined now. He ruined her. Now she's ruining him. Hell hath no fury... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Not seeing him play ever again, especially in a nationally televised game... OR SuperBowl and all of San Diego rallying around "the local connection" could be mighty painful if what she was saying is true. Here's supposedly the guy that after six led you to an attack... And now he's making millions. Just saying. Poetic justice that he's ruined now. He ruined her. Now she's ruining him. Hell hath no fury... Temporarily. No criminal charges, or found not guilty in criminal court, and either settling out of court or being found not guilty in civil court and he'll have the chance to return to the NFL. Edited August 28, 2022 by UKBillFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, NoSaint said: so you aren’t hanging your assessment of his participation in the second set of events heavily on it being “very odd” to hook up with her earlier and then leave? That's the most damning. I don't know what to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: I still don't understand why her attorney was so foolish to file the civil suit before Matt was further into a better financial situation. His job is to get as much money as he can for his client, so the timing seems like a poor decision for what was in the best interest of his client. And based on these two idiot lawyers pissing competition in text and social media, it almost seems like he was reacting to that more than making the best choices for his client. Both these idiot lawyers are not doing anything positive for the images of their respective professions as a whole. She said on June 3rd when she went public to the media that she was doing so explicitly bc she doesn't want him to play in the NFL and make money. And what she wants isn't money but accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Temporarily. No criminal charges, or found not guilty in criminal court, and either settling out of court or being found not guilty in civil court and he'll have the chance to return to the NFL. Have to think they settle out of court. A guy with no job can't exactly pay damages to her. The other two guys likely are broke and will have a ton of legal fees. He settles. She gets paid. He winds up punting in the NFL in a year from now. She then goes around selling her story and makes even more money and shows up on some reality show. America. Edited August 28, 2022 by Bills2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: It's become clear from your posts in this thread that you think random sex between strangers at college parties is inherently sketchy. It's fine if you believe that. But it isn't a crime or inherently immoral. If the worst thing Araiza is guilty of is giving a drink to a girl at a college party without asking for her ID and then having sex with her I don't think that rises to the level of career-ending offense. And if it does, I can't even imagine how many NFL players should be unemployed right now. For most of us when we are ascribing guilt or innocence to a person's actions we try to compare it with what an average person would do in that same situation. We don't compare it to some ideal moral do-gooder who follows every law to the letter. Gang raps are not moral and is a crime. He seems to be connected very closely with a situation in which a young girl was brutally raped by multiple men. That's what the focus should be on Just now, Bills2022 said: Have to think they settle out of court. A guy with no job can't exactly pay damages to her. The other two guys likely are broke and will have a ton of legal fees. He settles. She gets paid. He winds up punting in the NFL in a year from now. She then goes around selling her story and makes even more money. America. These guys won't get out of this without serious jail time, imo. This was a crowded party, there may be video evidence and she was obviously brutally handled, probably chocked . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: Have to think they settle out of court. A guy with no job can't exactly pay damages to her. The other two guys likely are broke and will have a ton of legal fees. He settles. She gets paid. He winds up punting in the NFL in a year from now. She then goes around selling her story and makes even more money and shows up on some reality show. America. her selling her story and him settling and getting to play probably don’t coexist in a single timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Doubtful. Her lawyer was active about 12 hours ago. I don’t know how to link tweets I’m too old for this stuff lol. But his national spotlight kinda died the minute he was released. I don’t care about the civil part but hopefully the media cycle was enough to pressure criminal charges on the case The fact that no criminal charges have been brought after nearly a year likely means someone is protecting the University or the girl has some history of making claims after attending college parties. It could be both. These guys are sketchy, but her lawyer screams lawyer/PR guy that is trying to make her famous. 2 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Doubtful. Her lawyer was active about 12 hours ago. I don’t know how to link tweets I’m too old for this stuff lol. But his national spotlight kinda died the minute he was released. I don’t care about the civil part but hopefully the media cycle was enough to pressure criminal charges on the case The fact that no criminal charges have been brought after nearly a year likely means someone is protecting the University or the girl has some history of making claims after attending college parties. It could be both. These guys are sketchy, but her lawyer screams lawyer/PR guy that is trying to make her famous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, Bills2022 said: The fact that no criminal charges have been brought after nearly a year likely means someone is protecting the University or the girl has some history of making claims after attending college parties. It could be both. These guys are sketchy, but her lawyer screams lawyer/PR guy that is trying to make her famous. The fact that no criminal charges have been brought after nearly a year likely means someone is protecting the University or the girl has some history of making claims after attending college parties. It could be both. These guys are sketchy, but her lawyer screams lawyer/PR guy that is trying to make her famous. The time frame is not unusual for a case like this…..as sad as that seems…..the theories about protecting the university….while not proven false…..are lazy conjecture. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Gang raps are not moral and is a crime. He seems to be connected very closely with a situation in which a young girl was brutally raped by multiple men. That's what the focus should be on These guys won't get out of this without serious jail time, imo. This was a crowded party, there may be video evidence and she was obviously brutally handled, probably chocked . She went to the police immediately… Had a rape kit done, And gave a statement There should be tons of evidence to be able to get charges pressed… Maybe they haven’t pressed charges because they don’t think they can win the case I just feel like if they had overwhelming evidence they would be charged… Not create a media circus to make it happen Regardless It’s a tragic story Edited August 28, 2022 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: It's become clear from your posts in this thread that you think random sex between strangers at college parties is inherently sketchy. It's fine if you believe that. But it isn't a crime or inherently immoral. If the worst thing Araiza is guilty of is giving a drink to a girl at a college party without asking for her ID and then having sex with her I don't think that rises to the level of career-ending offense. And if it does, I can't even imagine how many NFL players should be unemployed right now. For most of us when we are ascribing guilt or innocence to a person's actions we try to compare it with what an average person would do in that same situation. We don't compare it to some ideal moral do-gooder who follows every law to the letter. Maybe times are different now but I remember the 1st thing they stressed in freshman orientation was the age of consent in NYS. They wanted to make sure we knew that if we picked up a local high school girl we could get in big trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: The fact that no criminal charges have been brought after nearly a year likely means someone is protecting the University or the girl has some history of making claims after attending college parties. It could be both. These guys are sketchy, but her lawyer screams lawyer/PR guy that is trying to make her famous. The fact that no criminal charges have been brought after nearly a year likely means someone is protecting the University or the girl has some history of making claims after attending college parties. It could be both. These guys are sketchy, but her lawyer screams lawyer/PR guy that is trying to make her famous. it takes many months even years for some states to get rape kits tested. It’s a nationwide problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, Buffalo716 said: She went to the police immediately… Had a rape kit done, And gave a statement There should be tons of evidence to be able to get charges pressed… Maybe they haven’t pressed charges because they don’t think they can win the case I just feel like if they had overwhelming evidence they would be charged… Not create a media circus to make it happen You might be right, or maybe them suspects not talking are slowing the process down or there were others involved they have not identified...or maybe the family is right and the police are dragging their feet. Guess we won't know until the DA makes its decision 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Gang raps are not moral and is a crime. He seems to be connected very closely with a situation in which a young girl was brutally raped by multiple men. That's what the focus should be on These guys won't get out of this without serious jail time, imo. This was a crowded party, there may be video evidence and she was obviously brutally handled, probably chocked . Stats say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: it takes many months even years for some states to get rape kits tested. It’s a nationwide problem The rape kit has nothing to do with it. Rape kits are useless when they already know who was there and what happened. That is why they are frequently not tested for months or ever. The narrative that there is a national problem testing rape kits is exaggerated by the media. It is primarily for unsolved cases where police have little information. Which is quite common. This case is actually pretty simple. It is about consent. The rape kit is irrelevant here. Nobody is disputing who was there or whether sex was involved. It is about two issues. 1) Was the sex consensual? 2) Did the woman do or say anything that would have led a reasonable person to believe she was the age of consent? The DA does not need rape kit results to bring charges. A DA may not even want the results because often jurors acquit on a lack of DNA alone. Where a rape kit actually is useful is catching people where a person is raped and they have no idea who may have raped the person. Frequently they can tie cases together and solve other cases. Edited August 28, 2022 by Bills2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: The rape kit has nothing to do with it. Rape kits are useless when they already know who was there and what happened. That is why they are frequently not tested for months or ever. The narrative that there is a national problem testing rape kits is exaggerated by the media. It is primarily for unsolved cases where police have little to no information. Which is quite common. This case is actually pretty simple. It is about consent. The rape kit is irrelevant here. Nobody is disputing who was there or whether sex was involved. It is about two issues. 1) Was the sex consensual? 2) Did the woman do or say anything that would have led a reasonable person to believe she was the age of consent? The DA does not need rape kit results to bring charges. Like I said before, many DAs don't even want the test results. Where a rape kit actually is useful is catching people where a person is raped and they have no idea who may have raped the person. What if the rape kit doesn't show Araiza's DNA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc said: What if the rape kit doesn't show Araiza's DNA? That is the problem with rape kits and why they are frequently intentionally not used by DA's. Rapists often don't leave behind DNA. It is irrelevant anyway. Araiza said he was there. He said he had sex with here. He just said he thought she was 18 and it was consensual. He probably is going to be impossible to convict as long as he has a good reason why he thought she was 18. Edited August 28, 2022 by Bills2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: What if the rape kit doesn't show Araiza's DNA? or in this situation he says the had sex earlier and he was nowhere near the seen of the gang rape. It would show his dna but absent a witness putting him there, he could be a much tougher prosecution than the others who have dna found. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, Bills2022 said: That is the problem with rape kits and why they are frequently intentionally not used by DA's. Rapists frequently don't leave behind DNA. It is irrelevant anyway. Araiza said he was there. He said he had sex with here. He just said he thought she was 18 and it was consensual. He probably is going to be impossible to convict as long as he has a good reason why he thought she was 18. He hasn't come out and said any of that, it's claimed that he basically confirmed having sex with her via a pretext call the police had her do with him. From his side he hasn't acknowledged having sex with her at all, and it's only his lawyer citing having witnesses to her telling people she was 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: The rape kit has nothing to do with it. Rape kits are useless when they already know who was there and what happened. That is why they are frequently not tested for months or ever. The fake narrative that there is a national problem testing rape kits is just that, fake. DA's often hate rape kits because rapists frequently do not leave their DNA behind. Jurors then jump to the conclusion the rapist could not possibly have committed the crime. A rape kit is useful when there is a dispute about whether the alleged rapist was there. That is really what a rape kit is useful for. This case is actually pretty simple. It is about consent. The rape kit is irrelevant here. Nobody is disputing who was there or whether sex was involved. It is about two issues. 1) Was the sex consensual? 2) Did the woman do or say anything that would have led a reasonable person to believe she was the age of consent? The DA does not need rape kit results to bring charges. Like I said before, many DAs don't even want the test results. it’s not that simple. As araizas attorney said there was consensual sex before what happened in the room but Matt wasn’t in that room. The victim claims he was in that room. You’re right that his dna could be discovered and it’s pointless but the da has to prove he was in the room. also, I read that araiza wasn’t even interviewed until last month about this. That seems strange as she went to the police the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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