SoCal Deek Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, muppy said: advocating a narrative of course. Im not stupid. Im just trying to decide who is telling the TRUTH and being above board and honest. What a concept eh? I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I’m not calling you stupid. The problem with the way this entire farce of a committee is being handled is that there is only one side to any of this being presented. There isn’t any cross examination, let alone a defense. If every court case was handled this way everyone in America would be in prison! If I give the committee the benefit of the doubt at the very least this should not be playing out in public. Even at your local school board meeting these sort of issues are handled in what is called ‘closed session’. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I’m not calling you stupid. The problem with the way this entire farce of a committee is being handled is that there is only one side to any of this being presented. There isn’t any cross examination, let alone a defense. If every court case was handled this way everyone in America would be in prison! If I give the committee the benefit of the doubt at the very least this should not be playing out in public. Even at your local school board meeting these sort of issues are handled in what is called ‘closed session’. Its really hard to gague voice inflection in here that quip was me being me and I also apologize if it came out sounding crass. I think again there ARE things that we can agree on that is one of them it's a given we are constantly being fed a narrative by the media. And clearly who you choose to listen more to is likely the way your beliefs will sway. The court of public opinion is now in session. I get it. The continual unfolding of all this political DRAMA is very tiring and I dont like it. Lord have mercy. Peace brother-m Edited July 15, 2022 by muppy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I’m not calling you stupid. The problem with the way this entire farce of a committee is being handled is that there is only one side to any of this being presented. There isn’t any cross examination, let alone a defense. If every court case was handled this way everyone in America would be in prison! If I give the committee the benefit of the doubt at the very least this should not be playing out in public. Even at your local school board meeting these sort of issues are handled in what is called ‘closed session’. I'd like to add the definition of what might be considered "evidence" in these hearings is quite different from a court room setting. A lot of the smoking gun testimony is inadmissible hearsay. Something like Bob testified to the committee that Sue told him that Kevin talked with Nancy and she told him that Evan was talking to Steve about something and Joe told him that Tom was planning on robbing the bank down the street. So there you go. Bob's testimony is proof that Tom is guilty of planning a bank robbery. Instead of Bob's testimony a court would need to hear from Joe, the person that actually talked to Tom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'd like to add the definition of what might be considered "evidence" in these hearings is quite different from a court room setting. A lot of the smoking gun testimony is inadmissible hearsay. Something like Bob testified to the committee that Sue told him that Kevin talked with Nancy and she told him that Evan was talking to Steve about something and Joe told him that Tom was planning on robbing the bank down the street. So there you go. Bob's testimony is proof that Tom is guilty of planning a bank robbery. Instead of Bob's testimony a court would need to hear from Joe, the person that actually talked to Tom. Exactly…but as I’ve said, this type of hearing (disguised to look like a court case…thus the constant ‘under oath’ chant) should NEVER play out in public. They tried it with the impeachment but quickly realized there’d be a defense team. So now Adam Schiff and his cabal of jackals came up with a way to stage an impeachment WITHOUT a defense team. It’s not complicated. It’s truly disgusting politics but it’s not complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, muppy said: leo my question would be if it could be determined wether said texts were deleted before or After they were officially requested. BIG difference. One means basically a clearing of text messages/account maintenance? The other means destroying evidence after the request. From the OP *shrugs* in light of the total mistrust between political ides in our country this reads suspicious to me. I agree. Deleting things after they're requested makes it highly suspicious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Like I said about a month agp, just wait and see how crazy the loony left will be the closer we gvember.e=t to Election Day in No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 hours ago, muppy said: people of different politicl persuasions share MUCH more in common than not. We all want good health wealth and happy families. The political divide does NOT lend itself to any gray areas in the media. Which is why I like reading the board....sometimes........lol we WILL push on yes but it is just one more ember on the flames of distrust Leo just sayin'.........BOTH SIDES. I don't see our future an being particularly bright as far as our Adversarial political system to be honest. Most folks get along, Mupp, or at least coexist in relative peace. You're spot on regarding the political/media desire for divisiveness. The only thing I can offer is it's not so much whether your dopey neighbor thinks you're a dummy for supporting Biden, or the old lady at the gas station wants to comment about the MAGA hat while you're pumping gas, it's all about how you process it. A buddy is from Long Island, big, loud guy with a deep voice and not short on opinions. Because of his vocal skills, he was the go-to at high school athletic competitions when our children were in school. One time, as he was announcing names off a sheet at a very hectic event, a coach walked over to him, interrupted him and tried to chastise him because his athletes were having trouble following directions. The coach was getting rather animated, my friend looked at him and told him, microphone still on, "I DON'T CARE!", looked back to his sheet and kept announcing. The look on the coach's face was priceless, he looked to me for assistance and I handled it from there. My friend's approach to life is something sort of foreign to me. When I talked to him later about it, his thought was that the guy was being a jerk, as 95% of the other athletes figured things out, the coach was failing in his role, but it was not my buddy's problem to fix. There's a certain simple brilliance to that approach, Mup, and I have consciously tried to move in that direction over the past few years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I’m not calling you stupid. The problem with the way this entire farce of a committee is being handled is that there is only one side to any of this being presented. There isn’t any cross examination, let alone a defense. If every court case was handled this way everyone in America would be in prison! If I give the committee the benefit of the doubt at the very least this should not be playing out in public. Even at your local school board meeting these sort of issues are handled in what is called ‘closed session’. Deek, careful apologizing to the Mup. Next thing you know, @muppy will be telling you she doesn't like the color combination on your avatar, or that it's "boring", or that the colors on the field aren't right, and why can't you be more like the cool people with updated graphics and fancy fonts? Sometimes a plain old L in a green circle should be good enough, shouldn't it? It's a proud letter, the L. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 13 hours ago, ChiGoose said: He’s a troll. Between him and DR, they don’t have two brain cells to rub together. Best to ignore and let the adults talk. Covid broke bb. Dr is just a poor attempt at trolling. What's scary is the conspiracy theories and how often they search them out. The need for those gotcha moments seems to override reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Deek, careful apologizing to the Mup. Next thing you know, @muppy will be telling you she doesn't like the color combination on your avatar, or that it's "boring", or that the colors on the field aren't right, and why can't you be more like the cool people with updated graphics and fancy fonts? Sometimes a plain old L in a green circle should be good enough, shouldn't it? It's a proud letter, the L. lol on THIS point we will always rabble Leo........L is for.....................? BORING lol @-@ I'll tell you what it means ASK ME.....LAZY!~!~!!!!!! 😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I’m not calling you stupid. The problem with the way this entire farce of a committee is being handled is that there is only one side to any of this being presented. There isn’t any cross examination, let alone a defense. If every court case was handled this way everyone in America would be in prison! If I give the committee the benefit of the doubt at the very least this should not be playing out in public. Even at your local school board meeting these sort of issues are handled in what is called ‘closed session’. It didn’t have the be this way… but the cult voted against an independent counsel. I wonder why… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Deek, careful apologizing to the Mup. Next thing you know, @muppy will be telling you she doesn't like the color combination on your avatar, or that it's "boring", or that the colors on the field aren't right, and why can't you be more like the cool people with updated graphics and fancy fonts? Sometimes a plain old L in a green circle should be good enough, shouldn't it? It's a proud letter, the L. Hey! Mine is a photo of my scale model of RICH STADIUM! Yep…it’ll always be Rich Stadium to me…..old school, baby! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Hey! Mine is a photo of my scale model of RICH STADIUM! Yep…it’ll always be Rich Stadium to me…..old school, baby! I like it, but some of us here::::ahem, the Countess of Muppy Cristo::::find some of us pedestrian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I like it, but some of us here::::ahem, the Countess of Muppy Cristo::::find some of us pedestrian. Boring is the word leo . Boring is as boring does........all deflection NO ACTION---TCK SMH I see you've created a trend, senor @L Ron Burgundyis boring too. Im an equal opportunity rabblerouser just sayin' tck-lol-m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 16 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Government employees often have a separate phone for their work. I know a couple employees of the state who have a work-issued phone because everything they do for work is subject to FOIA. I do not know if the secret service has the same policy, but if cops and other state government employees have this, it wouldn’t surprise me if the secret service did too. However, I think the best course of action is to remain skeptical and keep an eye out for updates of an investigation into this. Absolutely. This idea that a few individual Secret Service agents manually deleted some text messages to not get in trouble is absurd. I worked in Document Management and Records Management for IBM and Xerox and others for many many years. Texts are government records and must be kept. They are kept and stored on the back end. Just like email is. Here is a blurb from the Texas State and Local Records Management about the subject. Quote Another method that can be utilized is for the state agency or local government to configure their text messaging service or use third-party software to automatically capture each text message sent and received into a repository or into an email sent to the agency or local government. This was a decision made at higher levels. Not by some random IT person. Heads should roll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I’m not calling you stupid. The problem with the way this entire farce of a committee is being handled is that there is only one side to any of this being presented. There isn’t any cross examination, let alone a defense. If every court case was handled this way everyone in America would be in prison! If I give the committee the benefit of the doubt at the very least this should not be playing out in public. Even at your local school board meeting these sort of issues are handled in what is called ‘closed session’. It's not a court case. I sure hope you get your wish and Trump is on trial and can defend himself. He's obviously guilty of starting a riot 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 9 hours ago, muppy said: Quote THE SECRET SERVICE erased text messages from January 5 and January 6, 2021, according to a letter given to the January 6 committee and reviewed by The Intercept. Office of Inspector General to the House and Senate homeland security committee though the ” the letter says the erasure took place shortly after oversight officials requested the agency’s electronic communicationsTHE SECRET SERVICE erased text messages from January 5 and January 6, 2021, according to a letter given to the January 6 committee and reviewed by The Intercept. The letter was originally sent by the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General to the House and Senate homeland security committeehough the Secret Service maintains that the text messages were lost as a result of a “device-replacement program,” the letter says the erasure took place shortly after oversight officials requested the agency’s electronic communications.s. 9 hours ago, muppy said: *shrugs* in light of the total mistrust between political ides in our country this reads suspicious to me. The highlighted part in red tells me this is all BS and willfully done by someone. The Secret Service cannot manage a "device replacement program" without losing text messages? Really? Are we to really think that Secret Service members are walking around with cell phones and the texts are store nowhere except on the phone itself? Really? This smacks of criminal behavior or gross ineptitude of Secret Service IT. Heads should roll regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Tells you everything you need to know Inside job for sure, right DR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, BillStime said: Tells you everything you need to know Inside job for sure, right DR? I’d like to see a serious investigation into this but it’s also important that a Secret Service Agent left the protection detail to take a political position and then returned to the agency and, I believe, is currently running their training. Feels like not everything is on the up-and-up there. Very interested in what the IG has to say (and the IG has already stated that the Secret Service has not been cooperative in the investigation). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 46 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I’d like to see a serious investigation into this but it’s also important that a Secret Service Agent left the protection detail to take a political position and then returned to the agency and, I believe, is currently running their training. Feels like not everything is on the up-and-up there. Very interested in what the IG has to say (and the IG has already stated that the Secret Service has not been cooperative in the investigation). I feel like I’ve heard this story before. Government officials not being truthful, the IG looking into it, something fishy going on, etc. I can’t place where though, that’s what’s driving me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 23 hours ago, DRsGhost said: It's official @BillStime > @ChiGoose Not very long to become a complete laughingstock. Congrats. They are already...I come here just for the clown lefty hilarity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 And yet another ‘institution’ of our once proud government is getting thrown under the bus by the drumbeat of ‘progress’…or should I say all in the never ending thirst to get Trump. The secret service has one job to do and unlike the congressional political class, they appear do it really well, regardless of which party the President is from. They’ll even take a bullet to protect the President. Will you? Will the members of the so called select committee? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: And yet another ‘institution’ of our once proud government is getting thrown under the bus by the drumbeat of ‘progress’…or should I say all in the never ending thirst to get Trump. The secret service has one job to do and unlike the congressional political class, they appear do it really well, regardless of which party the President is from. They’ll even take a bullet to protect the President. Will you? Will the members of the so called select committee? I don’t think this is a Trump thing. The Secret Service has had issues for a while. Here’s an article about their failures during the Obama administration: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/secret-service-disaster-timeline/387643/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Thing is these whack jobs have gone so far off the rails with their lies so many times, at some point they may tell the truth ...no one will believe them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: I don’t think this is a Trump thing. The Secret Service has had issues for a while. Here’s an article about their failures during the Obama administration: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/secret-service-disaster-timeline/387643/ Disagree. ETTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: Disagree. ETTD If the Secret Service was having issues before Trump became president, it's hard to argue that Trump caused the issues. I'll agree that allowing an agent to take a political job and then return to the agency to oversee training is particularly bad, but this organization seems to have had problems for a looong time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Yes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 6 hours ago, ChiGoose said: I don’t think this is a Trump thing. The Secret Service has had issues for a while. Here’s an article about their failures during the Obama administration: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/secret-service-disaster-timeline/387643/ I’ll try and type this without being disrespectful…but…come on! The secret service has to be 100% right 100% of the time 24/7/365 and has been for over half a century protecting literally dozens of political figures both in office and afterwards. I’m sure the pressure is incredible. And I’m also sure they’re regularly approached to betray their oath more than occasionally. Do they have political views? You bet. Are some of them Patriot fans? Probably. But…they do an incredible and thankless job. I’m not going to go anywhere in the vicinity of trashing them. Not a chance! Biden just came back safely from some pretty dangerous territory. The least you could do is say “Thank You” to these brave truly public servants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’ll try and type this without being disrespectful…but…come on! The secret service has to be 100% right 100% of the time 24/7/365 and has been for over half a century protecting literally dozens of political figures both in office and afterwards. I’m sure the pressure is incredible. And I’m also sure they’re regularly approached to betray their oath more than occasionally. Do they have political views? You bet. Are some of them Patriot fans? Probably. But…they do an incredible and thankless job. I’m not going to go anywhere in the vicinity of trashing them. Not a chance! Biden just came back safely from some pretty dangerous territory. The least you could do is say “Thank You” to these brave truly public servants. I did not mean to come off as trashing the agents. They obviously have an incredibly important and difficult job. But no organization is without problems and the Secret Service is not immune to that. When they have slip ups, they should be called out, if nothing than for them to identify the root cause of the issue and implement controls to prevent it from happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I did not mean to come off as trashing the agents. They obviously have an incredibly important and difficult job. But no organization is without problems and the Secret Service is not immune to that. When they have slip ups, they should be called out, if nothing than for them to identify the root cause of the issue and implement controls to prevent it from happening again. Obviously….and you from your lofty perch don’t believe that’s happening. Come on man! Not even close to a major problem. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Obviously….and you from your lofty perch don’t believe that’s happening. Don't put words in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Don't put words in my mouth. So you don’t believe the secret service has an HR Department? I’m pretty confident they do. And this entire threads because the modern equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition wants to look at their texts and emails. Let me ask you…would you want this clown committee looking at your emails and texts? Would you? I know I wouldn’t want my career ended all for the benefit of Adam’s insatiable wanderlust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share Posted July 17, 2022 58 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So you don’t believe the secret service has an HR Department? I’m pretty confident they do. And this entire threads because the modern equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition wants to look at their texts and emails. Let me ask you…would you want this clown committee looking at your emails and texts? Would you? I know I wouldn’t want my career ended all for the benefit of Adam’s insatiable wanderlust. The Straw Man is strong with this one… The Secret Service has an Inspector General, which oversees stuff like this. We know that the IG is investigating this because that’s what the reporting shows. I believe this is a good thing as IG’s are very important to a functioning government. Frankly, we should have more of them. I started this thread because I think it’s an important story that the text messages from the Secret Service during a time when the Capitol was under attack were deleted. I also specifically stated that I am not jumping to conclusions and that it is possible, even likely, that this was an accident and not nefarious. If you have a problem with what someone else said in this thread, address it to them. I’m only responsible for what I say, not others. I’m not a government employee, but if I were, I would know that my texts on my work phone could be subpoenaed by a congressional committee, no matter how much (or little) faith I had in its members. I’m sure it’s annoying but it literally comes with the job. Don’t like it? Go work in the private sector. Oh wait, I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: The Straw Man is strong with this one… The Secret Service has an Inspector General, which oversees stuff like this. We know that the IG is investigating this because that’s what the reporting shows. I believe this is a good thing as IG’s are very important to a functioning government. Frankly, we should have more of them. I started this thread because I think it’s an important story that the text messages from the Secret Service during a time when the Capitol was under attack were deleted. I also specifically stated that I am not jumping to conclusions and that it is possible, even likely, that this was an accident and not nefarious. If you have a problem with what someone else said in this thread, address it to them. I’m only responsible for what I say, not others. I’m not a government employee, but if I were, I would know that my texts on my work phone could be subpoenaed by a congressional committee, no matter how much (or little) faith I had in its members. I’m sure it’s annoying but it literally comes with the job. Don’t like it? Go work in the private sector. Oh wait, I do. As do I….but my comments still stand. Nobody wants this cabal looking into their sock drawer. Too many have been caught up as collateral damage in the quest to get Trump. I believe virtually nothing that gets leaked out of this kangaroo court. Why? Because I’ve seen the first couple of movies in this trilogy and they were both utter garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: As do I….but my comments still stand. Nobody wants this cabal looking into their sock drawer. Too many have been caught up as collateral damage in the quest to get Trump. I believe virtually nothing that gets leaked out of this kangaroo court. Why? Because I’ve seen the first couple of movies in this trilogy and they were both utter garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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