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5 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

THIS

 

We had a pathetic running game outside of Allen last year.  Pathetic...  I don't want to hear about Singletary's YPC, he ran against light boxes and we had nobody to get us goal line/short yardage.

 

As Simms pointed out.. Diggs is elite.  Knox is above average.  Davis may be big time, but we overrate last year due to the KC game.  Sanders didn't give us much and neither did Beasley.  

 

So, outside of Diggs and Knox, Allen had no running game and mediocre play at WR2 and Slot WR for much of the season.  That, along with an ok pass blocking OL. 

 

Much reason for optimism that his supporting cast is better going into this season... but Josh Allen elevated a slightly above average Offense into a Super Bowl caliber Offense last year.  

 

 

I agree with much of what you said.........but "ok pass blocking"??

 

No.

 

The Bills OL was the worst pass blocking unit in the NFL in terms of pressures and sacks allowed.

 

That's why they had to turn him into Mike Alstott 2.0 down the stretch to get into the playoffs.

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3 hours ago, eball said:

 

You miserable effers...the new narrative to trash the Bills is to say they're nothing without Josh.  As if the Bills did NOTHING to get and develop Josh.

 

Yeah, the Pats*** all those years would have been nothing without Brady.

 

The Packers would have been nothing without Favre...or Rodgers.

 

Christ.  Great QBs elevate their teams.  Film at 11.

 

P.S.  The Bills have a stinking good roster, great coaches, and a competent front office.  Not that you care.

Your missing the point… the offense without Allen and with Keenum would struggle to be middling IMO…. They lack depth offensively and will be in “Josh has to do everything” mode with a couple injuries due to that lack of depth…. Find it funny people are clamoring for Tavon Austin to make the roster and see playing time. 😅

 

And you saw in Brady’s last year in NE him fall off due to the ***** receivers they put around him.

 

 

I think some people forgot that stretch of pretty damn bad offensive play last season against Indy, Jax, and NE….

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11 hours ago, mannc said:

Simms is not real high on Josh’s supporting cast on offense…I tend to agree, and think many here overrate our offensive weapons. Josh makes them look better than they really are…

 

 

I think he really underestimated them. Took him till near the end to even mention Knox. I think he underestimates Knox and Davis.

 

Yeah, Josh does make them look better. So do the other top ten QBs do the same to their offensive weapons. IMO we're going to see a major dip in production for the cheetah this year for example.

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2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Your missing the point… the offense without Allen and with Keenum would struggle to be middling IMO…. They lack depth offensively and will be in “Josh has to do everything” mode with a couple injuries due to that lack of depth…. Find it funny people are clamoring for Tavon Austin to make the roster and see playing time. 😅

 

And you saw in Brady’s last year in NE him fall off due to the ***** receivers they put around him.

 

 

I think some people forgot that stretch of pretty damn bad offensive play last season against Indy, Jax, and NE….

 

 

Oh, please.

 

Where was the Stefon Diggs on that New England team? Even their TEs were crap.

 

There is no comparison between the 2019 NE groups of receivers and pass catchers and this year's Bills group.

 

Our skill position guys outside QB aren't top three. But they're well above middling.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I think he really underestimated them. Took him till near the end to even mention Knox. I think he underestimates Knox and Davis.

 

Yeah, Josh does make them look better. So do the other top ten QBs do the same to their offensive weapons. IMO we're going to see a major dip in production for the cheetah this year for example.

Knox and Davis have a lot of potential, but neither is a proven, top level player yet.  It’s reasonable to think one or both will break out this year, but it’s far from a certainty.

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Just now, mannc said:

Knox and Davis have a lot of potential, but neither is a proven, top level player yet.  It’s reasonable to think one or both will break out this year, but it’s far from a certainty.

 

Disagree. Knox is probably a top ten TE right now.

 

And Davis near the end of the year was starting to look like a good #2.

 

Top five? Nah, you're clearly right if that's what you meant by "top level."

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10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Your missing the point… the offense without Allen and with Keenum would struggle to be middling IMO…. They lack depth offensively and will be in “Josh has to do everything” mode with a couple injuries due to that lack of depth…. Find it funny people are clamoring for Tavon Austin to make the roster and see playing time. 😅

 

And you saw in Brady’s last year in NE him fall off due to the ***** receivers they put around him.

 

 

I think some people forgot that stretch of pretty damn bad offensive play last season against Indy, Jax, and NE….

 

I think when you bring up the first BUF-NE game last season as evidence of anything offensively you’ve lost a good bit of credibility.

 

I get it.  You’re the contrarian, the worrier, the guy making sure we all know the house of cards could collapse at any moment.  It’s what you do.

 

Josh Allen may be the best QB in the game.  To suggest it’s a “problem” that he elevates his teammates and sometimes single-handedly leads his team to victories is pretty funny.  It’s fine, you and others can bemoan the “middling” playmakers the Bills have while most outside observers disagree.

 

You be you.

 

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10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Your missing the point… the offense without Allen and with Keenum would struggle to be middling IMO…. They lack depth offensively and will be in “Josh has to do everything” mode with a couple injuries due to that lack of depth…. Find it funny people are clamoring for Tavon Austin to make the roster and see playing time. 😅

 

And you saw in Brady’s last year in NE him fall off due to the ***** receivers they put around him.

 

 

I think some people forgot that stretch of pretty damn bad offensive play last season against Indy, Jax, and NE….

I'm with you that I wish they had prioritized stocking up at WR more than they did but "they'd be middling with Case Keenum playing all year" is a weird way to go about saying that.

 

Case Keenum at QB is a crappy situation. To say they'd be average with a low-end starting quarterback is a huge compliment to everyone involved.

 

In your scenario everyone around Keenum is so good that they elevate him.

 

In the modern NFL you're supposed to lose when the other team has better quarterback play. QB is really, really important.

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12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I agree with much of what you said.........but "ok pass blocking"??

 

No.

 

The Bills OL was the worst pass blocking unit in the NFL in terms of pressures and sacks allowed.

 

That's why they had to turn him into Mike Alstott 2.0 down the stretch to get into the playoffs.

 

Uhm, Buffalo actually allowed the second fewest sacks in the NFL last season with 27 (Tampa allowed 23) and they were tied for second with KC in sack % at 4%.  Granted this is as much (or more) a Josh Allen stat as it is an OL stat, but your statement that "The Bills OL was the worst pass blocking unit in the NFL in terms of pressures and sacks allowed" is simply false.  The pressure rate was not good at 25.5%, but they were 25th in league...bottom third but far from "worst".  The Bills were middle of the pack in pocket time at 2.4 seconds, so again not the best but by no means the worst.

 

Sorry, but I'm really not seeing the metrics you are using to say that the Bills OL was the worst pass blocking unit in the league.  Maybe your eye-test/bias is telling you something that isn't backed up by statistics?

 

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1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I think when you bring up the first BUF-NE game last season as evidence of anything offensively you’ve lost a good bit of credibility.

 

I get it.  You’re the contrarian, the worrier, the guy making sure we all know the house of cards could collapse at any moment.  It’s what you do.

 

Josh Allen may be the best QB in the game.  To suggest it’s a “problem” that he elevates his teammates and sometimes single-handedly leads his team to victories is pretty funny.  It’s fine, you and others can bemoan the “middling” playmakers the Bills have while most outside observers disagree.

 

You be you.

 

Josh Allen’s #1 supporter in Chris Simms agrees with that sentiment… but either way, at this point they have Diggs, Knox and the inconsistent Gabe Davis…. I never put much stock into what the “outside observers” suggest. 

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13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Josh Allen’s #1 supporter in Chris Simms agrees with that sentiment… but either way, at this point they have Diggs, Knox and the inconsistent Gabe Davis…. I never put much stock into what the “outside observers” suggest. 

 

Yes, and folks on here immediately called him out on it.  I didn't even watch the segment because it doesn't interest me.  You think the Bills' offense sucks after Diggs and Knox and would plummet without Josh.  I think they're still probably a playoff team, just not dominant.  Hopefully we will never have to find out.

 

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I think the most accurate thing he talked about was actually Dorsey.  "One of the most under-the radar storylines of the NFL season.  I don't know what to expect.  This is first time in this position"

 

I think it's gonna take a while for anybody (including other teams) to know what to expect.

 

A little remiss to leave out Knox til the end.

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