Rigotz Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 I think this tells a really interesting story. Von Miller's contract is effectively a 3-year $17.5M/yr deal. Past 3 years of Bills Defensive Ends and what they were paid: 2021: Jerry Hughes: $9.45M Mario Addison: $8.1M Rousseau ~$2M Basham ~$1M Epenesa ~$1M 2020: Mario Addison: $9.97M Trent Murphy: $9.78M Jerry Hughes: $9.5M Epenesa ~1M 2019: Jerry Hughes: $12.9M Trent Murphy: $8.8M Shaq Lawson: $3.2M Pairing Von with Rousseau, Basham, and Epenesa not only upgrades the position, but actually decreases our total edge rusher spending as well. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: I think this tells a really interesting story. Von Miller's contract is effectively a 3-year $17.5M/yr deal. Past 3 years of Bills Defensive Ends and what they were paid: 2021: Jerry Hughes: $9.45M Mario Addison: $8.1M Rousseau ~$2M Basham ~$1M Epenesa ~$1M 2020: Mario Addison: $9.97M Trent Murphy: $9.78M Jerry Hughes: $9.5M Epenesa ~1M 2019: Jerry Hughes: $12.9M Trent Murphy: $8.8M Shaq Lawson: $3.2M Pairing Von with Rousseau, Basham, and Epenesa not only upgrades the position, but actually decreases our total edge rusher spending as well. Shows the importance of rookie contracts. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Mario Addison wasnt great value.. Jerry probably got paid 1 year too long.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Mario Addison wasnt great value.. Jerry probably got paid 1 year too long.. I didn’t know Mario got paid, only 8.1 mill (LOL) but by NFL standards I think that was a pretty decent deal. I think he was our best DE last year easily…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: I think he was our best DE last year easily…. True but that ain’t saying much 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 You know, I hate to say it, but I got a bad feeling about next year’s D…. Particularly at the beginning…. But unless Settle and Jone are nfl good, and our young ends take a big step, this DL fails again. We need both of those things to happen to have a good D, imho…. Von Miller can no longer change a game by himself. He needs help…. And let’s remember, you gotta defense to win Super Bowls. I sure hope the young DL can take that next step. And Settle and Jones are good DTs for the long NFL season. Settle, Jones, Phillips and Ed are the four…. Do we carry five ends again? Von, Groot, AJ, Boogie and Shaq? Well, I honestly like that we have Shaq to take on some wear and tear of the season at LE…. Essentially playing like a third tackle. He’s good at that. My question is can any of the giant young ends become a bonafide pass rusher? I think the interior guys can apply some penetration to crush the pocket but I don’t know how much they can play the run? I guess it’s more important that they can get some penetration… All four of our DTs can penetrate. Thats specifically for Mahomes and the other great QBs…. Plus all our DEs can rush from inside. Its the brutal burst on the outside that they don’t really show…. But I think we need that to get that constant double (or a real good LT) off Von… Most clubs looking to build a feared D have two Vons…. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: You know, I hate to say it, but I got a bad feeling about next year’s D…. Particularly at the beginning…. But unless Settle and Jone are nfl good, and our young ends take a big step, this DL fails again. We need both of those things to happen to have a good D, imho…. Von Miller can no longer change a game by himself. He needs help…. And let’s remember, you gotta defense to win Super Bowls. I sure hope the young DL can take that next step. And Settle and Jones are good DTs for the long NFL season. Settle, Jones, Phillips and Ed are the four…. Do we carry five ends again? Von, Groot, AJ, Boogie and Shaq? Well, I honestly like that we have Shaq to take on some wear and tear of the season at LE…. Essentially playing like a third tackle. He’s good at that. My question is can any of the giant young ends become a bonafide pass rusher? I think the interior guys can apply some penetration to crush the pocket but I don’t know how much they can play the run? I guess it’s more important that they can get some penetration… All four of our DTs can penetrate. Thats specifically for Mahomes and the other great QBs…. Plus all our DEs can rush from inside. Its the brutal burst on the outside that they don’t really show…. But I think we need that to get that constant double (or a real good LT) off Von… Most clubs looking to build a feared D have two Vons…. Settle and Jones have already proven they are NFL legitimate players. Jones isn’t a pass rusher he is your prototypical run stuffing DT. He may tie some guys up but he won’t get a ton a pressure. Settle, Phillips, and Oliver can get after the QB for the DT position. I agree we need the young DE’s to take a step forward, and I think they will be given every opportunity to, that’s why Hughes and Addison weren’t brought back. Von Miller has historically played 80% of the snaps, I bet the rotation the Bills implement will help his longevity and effectiveness. There will probably be a bit of a gelling period in the beginning, but I expect the young guys to fall in line behind Von’s example of how to practice and prepare. The dline went from a big question to a much smaller one, if at all. Lawson is really an insurance piece. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 For double the price lets hope we will get double the production... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: You know, I hate to say it, but I got a bad feeling about next year’s D…. Particularly at the beginning…. But unless Settle and Jone are nfl good, and our young ends take a big step, this DL fails again. We need both of those things to happen to have a good D, imho…. Von Miller can no longer change a game by himself. He needs help…. And let’s remember, you gotta defense to win Super Bowls. I sure hope the young DL can take that next step. And Settle and Jones are good DTs for the long NFL season. Settle, Jones, Phillips and Ed are the four…. Do we carry five ends again? Von, Groot, AJ, Boogie and Shaq? Well, I honestly like that we have Shaq to take on some wear and tear of the season at LE…. Essentially playing like a third tackle. He’s good at that. My question is can any of the giant young ends become a bonafide pass rusher? I think the interior guys can apply some penetration to crush the pocket but I don’t know how much they can play the run? I guess it’s more important that they can get some penetration… All four of our DTs can penetrate. Thats specifically for Mahomes and the other great QBs…. Plus all our DEs can rush from inside. Its the brutal burst on the outside that they don’t really show…. But I think we need that to get that constant double (or a real good LT) off Von… Most clubs looking to build a feared D have two Vons…. They're going to struggle early on and Bills fans are going to overreact. I virtually guarantee it. Then they'll start grooving mid-late season in time for the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: You know, I hate to say it, but I got a bad feeling about next year’s D…. Particularly at the beginning…. But unless Settle and Jone are nfl good, and our young ends take a big step, this DL fails again. We need both of those things to happen to have a good D, imho…. Von Miller can no longer change a game by himself. He needs help…. And let’s remember, you gotta defense to win Super Bowls. I sure hope the young DL can take that next step. And Settle and Jones are good DTs for the long NFL season. Settle, Jones, Phillips and Ed are the four…. Do we carry five ends again? Von, Groot, AJ, Boogie and Shaq? Well, I honestly like that we have Shaq to take on some wear and tear of the season at LE…. Essentially playing like a third tackle. He’s good at that. My question is can any of the giant young ends become a bonafide pass rusher? I think the interior guys can apply some penetration to crush the pocket but I don’t know how much they can play the run? I guess it’s more important that they can get some penetration… All four of our DTs can penetrate. Thats specifically for Mahomes and the other great QBs…. Plus all our DEs can rush from inside. Its the brutal burst on the outside that they don’t really show…. But I think we need that to get that constant double (or a real good LT) off Von… Most clubs looking to build a feared D have two Vons…. Really? Seemed he changed the games quite a bit in the playoffs 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Mario Addison wasnt great value.. Jerry probably got paid 1 year too long.. Maybe Jerry got paid one year too long. I don't think so. I think he was one of our top 2 DE's last year. Would of liked someone better than Jerry from another team, sure. Hughes still got pressure and he still doesn't get the holding calls he deserves. I never understood why he didn't get holding calls for 7-8 seasons, it was not right. However, the holding calls he does not get will help our team with someone who will get pressure or penalties. Love adding Von Miller! And, please give Oliver and Miller 70-80% of the snaps each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Really? Seemed he changed the games quite a bit in the playoffs Right and our D just got better. DL also so a bit confused how Bills will regress? An assumption that Settle and Jones are worse than Star and Harry. Mix Phillips in and young DE’s with another year experience. Just can’t see regression imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said: Right and our D just got better. DL also so a bit confused how Bills will regress? An assumption that Settle and Jones are worse than Star and Harry. Mix Phillips in and young DE’s with another year experience. Just can’t see regression imho. I could potentially see them struggling a bit for the first few games until they get acclimated to the system and understand what their roles are and for the coaches to understand how to use them properly, kind of like what happened with Klein. But I think by and in large our DLine improved with the additions versus who we lost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 I have a feeling Jerry and AJ Klein will be back on lesser deals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, In Summary said: Shows the importance of rookie contracts. Yes. More specifically, it shows the importance of good college scouting and good drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, artmalibu said: For double the price lets hope we will get double the production... How is it double the price though? Mario and Hughes likely aren’t coming back and that = Von Millers money. It’s break even. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 hours ago, In Summary said: Shows the importance of rookie contracts. Especially at premium positions. This is a big reason why it’s hard to take rb early. Having cb, de, ot, qb playing on rookie contracts is a huge savings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Hughes+ Addison for the last 2 years was 9 sacks and 9 sacks. If Miller can at least get 9 sacks by himself, the contract is basically break even at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Rigotz said: I think this tells a really interesting story. Von Miller's contract is effectively a 3-year $17.5M/yr deal. Past 3 years of Bills Defensive Ends and what they were paid: 2021: Jerry Hughes: $9.45M Mario Addison: $8.1M Rousseau ~$2M Basham ~$1M Epenesa ~$1M 2020: Mario Addison: $9.97M Trent Murphy: $9.78M Jerry Hughes: $9.5M Epenesa ~1M 2019: Jerry Hughes: $12.9M Trent Murphy: $8.8M Shaq Lawson: $3.2M Pairing Von with Rousseau, Basham, and Epenesa not only upgrades the position, but actually decreases our total edge rusher spending as well. Nice work putting this together! Little correction (may help your case): add in Efe Obada last season ($1.5M cap hit). This season Shaq Lawson, cap hit as yet unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I don't think the front 4 takes as long to gel as mixing and matching guys in the secondary. I bet we will see a much more disruptive front seven right out of the gate. Maybe someone will pop a run on us from a mistake on a run fit but overall i can't picture this group not playing in the backfield way more than they have the past two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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