Evian Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 The rule is sort of ridiculous. How come Asians and Hispanics aren't also included? Most defenses are 90% black players. Nobdody is complaining we need more whites, asians, and hispanics playing defense. Maybe certain groups of people are just better at certain jobs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: Why is it OK to have a racial disparity in players but not coaches? Because players don't lose opportunities because they are white. You seem to be missing some fundamental understanding of racial dynamics and how they play out in the workplace and society at large. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah, I have a hard time making that cross over as well. Especially in Football. It's a bit different in Basketball and Hockey where women actually play from a young age, through college, and even professionally. It may not be the same level of competition, but they at least have "been there". Hiring a woman football coach is like hiring Todd Haley. The second the going gets tough, players start telling him to go back to golf. I assume that Marv Levy's stellar playing career was a significant factor in his hiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Evian said: The rule is sort of ridiculous. How come Asians and Hispanics aren't also included? They are. What's your next point? Just now, Evian said: Maybe certain groups of people are just better at certain jobs. Oof, wrong direction. Please return to 1800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Why is it OK to have a racial disparity in players but not coaches? Is there racial disparity in players. African Americans are 13% of population but 70% of players. Isn't that racist. Maybe we should force teams to play more asians, hispanics, and whites on defense because currently defenses are 90% black. I demand more asian head coaches. Edited January 31, 2022 by Evian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Evian said: Is there racial disparity in players. African Americans are 13% of population but 70% of players. Isn't that racist. No. That's not how racism works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 it's getting spicy in here! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bad opinion, given its effectiveness and simplicity. But you are entitled to it. It shouldn’t have to be necessary, but sadly it still appears to be. It hurts nothing, so why not? Nothing is lost, and you never know what might be gained, even just if it’s interview experience. That’s just MY opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bad opinion, given its effectiveness and simplicity. But you are entitled to it. Its actually a good opinion... most teams that are already set on a canidate is forced to interview a minority canidate. Much of the time its just a formality interview for the team to follow the rules. Its not fair to the coach being interviewed. And just a waste of the teams time. It doesnt benefit either parties so the fact that this rule still exists is dumb. Like if Bills are set on hiring Ken Dorsey. It isnt fair for this Bennett or Martin guy to be interviewing for a job they have no shot at. Edited January 31, 2022 by Kmart128 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 The only thing dumber than the Rooney rule still being in existence, is the people who still think it's necessary. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Because players don't lose opportunities because they are white. You seem to be missing some fundamental understanding of racial dynamics and how they play out in the workplace and society at large. Are you sure about this? https://fourvertsfootball.com/white-cornerbacks-in-the-nfl/ I saw a program where this was being discussed on NFL channel or ESPN. NFL teams don't even scout white CBs. High School and college coaches tell their white gifted athletes to not play CB cuz they know they'll never have a chance of even being looked at by NFL teams. Jason Seahorn was a fluke cuz his coach saw him playing basketball and knew he could do it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: I assume that Marv Levy's stellar playing career was a significant factor in his hiring. He played all the way through college, so that doesnt refute my point at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Evian said: Seems a certain group of people like to call things racist if they are not equally represented but when they are over represented it is not racist. Simple as that. Again, this is just a complete lack of the basic fundamentals of race dynamics. I would help illuminate the nuance, but based on your responses, I'm guessing that's not really what you're looking for. You seem to have quite a bit of resentment about minority coaches getting the bare minimum consideration, and you have some very, VERY outdated beliefs on race. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 End of this thread over/ under....12 posts. 5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Are you sure about this? https://fourvertsfootball.com/white-cornerbacks-in-the-nfl/ I saw a program where this was being discussed on NFL channel or ESPN. NFL teams don't even scout white CBs. High School and college coaches tell their white gifted athletes to not play CB cuz they know they'll never have a chance of even being looked at by NFL teams. Jason Seahorn was a fluke cuz his coach saw him playing basketball and knew he could do it. This is a real reach imo. I understand your point BUT if there is a superior white CB, he is playing in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 This is equity at work. The E of DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion) that so many Neanderthals want to call CRT or reverse racism or other tripe. The Rooney rule promotes equity, in this case giving minority candidates a shot at interviews. It does NOT guarantee they are hired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: End of this thread over/ under....12 posts. This is a real reach imo. I understand your point BUT if there is a superior white CB, he is playing in the NFL. Perhaps but there hasn't been one for 18 years. In the program I saw Marv Lewis said they don't scout white CBs. Edited January 31, 2022 by reddogblitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: End of this thread over/ under....12 posts. This is a real reach imo. I understand your point BUT if there is a superior white CB, he is playing in the NFL. Agreed. Just like if there is a superior black coach or black quarterback they will get a job. This nonsense black coaches and quarterbacks don't get a shot is ludicrous. Edited January 31, 2022 by Evian 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This is equity at work. The E of DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion) that so many Neanderthals want to call CRT or reverse racism or other tripe. The Rooney rule promotes equity, in this case giving minority candidates a shot at interviews. It does NOT guarantee they are hired. If the world is all about equity over substance now, shouldn't we have a rule that at least 2 women be interviewed for coaching positions as well then? Edited January 31, 2022 by Lost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bad opinion, given its effectiveness and simplicity. But you are entitled to it. What effectiveness are you referring to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: Perhaps but there hasn't been one for 18 years. I don't track NFL player races, if there hasnt been a white CB in 18 years it was not because they were not good enough. Do you really believe McDermott or BB wouldn't sign a talented white CB? They would, imo, in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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