McKenzie Talks 13 seconds

[SoCal Deek]

He is simply not that important to the Bills offense. It's a nice problem for Beane to have, but if he leaves, I doubt there will be that many sleepless nights at OBD.  Would they like to keep him...sure. Will they be upset if he leaves....no.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

McKenzie is a bad practice player who hasn't seemed to be able to learn how to elevate his game.     

 

Belichick needs to add speed to his offense but it's really hard to envision a bad practice player who then comes into games and makes mental errors is going to be a priority add for BB. 

 

What is the source of this info?  I'm not questioning its veracity, just wanting to know where it came from.

Because I have heard Diggs and McDermott and others talk about how hard McKenzie works.  Now I get that "practice doesn't make perfect, the right practice makes perfect", but usually someone willing to work hard and good practice go together.

 

1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

He may have been by some, but there were some that didn't it seemed. I just recall seeing something along the lines of he had trouble learning the offense or was slow learning it, something like that. Think I remember something about he and Brady were not on the same page many times too. 

 

And was other stuff like he would never be like he was with Bengals because he struggled to learn new systems...something along those lines. Anyways, obviously I don't know for sure, just a little something I remember

 

There was an ex-Patriot player who reamed Ocho out when he said something about how the Pats offense seemed like Magic.  Told him it seems like magic to you because you don't know the playbook, you're not in the playbook.  Get in the playbook, or stuff to that effect.  Now that doesn't necessarily mean he's not smart, but "not smart" and "too lazy" can contribute to the same effect.

 

Edit: found it.  It was Bruschi.

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"Just waking up after a late arrival,I've never seen a machine operate like that n person,to see video game numbers put up n person was WOW," Ochocinco tweeted.

 

Appearing on WEEI-AM a short time later, Bruschi unloaded on the receiver, reported Comcast SportsNet New England.

"Drop the awe factor, OK, Ocho, Chad, drop the awe factor," Bruschi began. "You're not a fan, all right. You're not someone who's on another team or watching TV. You're not an analyst. You're a part of it. They want you to be a part of it. So get with the program because obviously you're not getting it and you're tweeting because you're saying, 'It's amazing to see'? It's amazing to see because you don't understand it! You still don't understand it and it's amazing to you because you can't get it.

 

"Stop tweeting and get in your playbook," Bruschi went on. "Wake up! If you're just waking up now -- I don't know when this was, six minutes ago? -- get out your bed and get to the stadium and watch some film if you still think it's amazing. If you're in it and you know what you're doing and you execute out there you don't think it's amazing. You know why? Because it's what you're supposed to do."

 

Ochocinco apparently admitted as much:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/24/chad-ochocinco-admitted-he-never-grasped-patriots-playbook/

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A Dolphins source told Greg Bedard of the Boston Globe that Ochocinco admitted as much when he met with the team.

“The guy did all but admit that it was a struggle for him mentally, the playbook, all that stuff,’’ the source told Bedard. “He didn’t deny that it was a problem for him, learning it up there.’’

 

Again, maybe he couldn't get it because he was smart enough but didn't put in the grind.  But it doesn't speak well to his "smarts"

[billrooter]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He had to leave UGA due to grades. 
McKenzie is an ok player. There is absolutely no reason to believe Stevenson can’t be the same type of player. 

Have you.seen the guy run? He's of the most upright runners I think I've ever seen, he may be fast but doesn't seem quick from what I have seen. McKenzie is a very quick guy with the ball in his hands from what I have seen from Stephenson he is not and takes awhile to build up speed.

[Peter]

I actually think that McKenzie has a good head on his shoulders. Unlike a lot of people, he actually is preparing for life after football and opened up a BBQ place down here in Miami that is getting rave reviews. See below. He did not pour millions in a recording studio or some other ridiculous thing.

 

He also is well liked by his teammates and we have seen that he can be a special player.  I honestly don't understand some of the criticism.

 

Miami New Times rated his BBQ restaurant (La Traila) as the best BBQ restaurant in Miami:

 

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Miami barbecue hit a home run with La Traila, a former pop-up that transitioned to a brick-and-mortar location earlier this year. Founded by Austin native and pit master Mel Rodriguez and Miami native/Buffalo Bills wide receiver Isaiah McKenzie, the Miami Lakes restaurant offers up 305-inspired craft barbecue at its finest. Meats are available by the pound, from smoked pulled pork and the house jalapeño cheddar sausage to "dino" beef ribs and Texas-style brisket. Latin twists come into focus in specialty items like the pork spare rib croquettes and dishes that nod to Rodriguez's Mexican heritage. In particular, the Tex-Mex-inspired Brisket y Queso empanadas and Texas Frito Pie are not to be missed. But the most alluring menu item might be the Brisket Sundae, a fair-food-and-taco-stand mashup presented as a cup layered with mac and cheese, baked beans, and creamed corn, then topped with smoked brisket, cotija cheese, crema, and house sauce. Vegans will enjoy the All Natural — smoked pulled jackfruit finished with pickles and onions and tossed in a house-made barbecue sauce. Up early? La Traila's breakfast tacos will start your day right.

 

Miami New Times

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Let's make no mistak about it, Josh Allen made Isiah Mckenzie not the other way around. We can find these types all over in all different rounds. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

He may have been by some, but there were some that didn't it seemed. I just recall seeing something along the lines of he had trouble learning the offense or was slow learning it, something like that. Think I remember something about he and Brady were not on the same page many times too. 

 

And was other stuff like he would never be like he was with Bengals because he struggled to learn new systems...something along those lines. Anyways, obviously I don't know for sure, just a little something I remember

 

 

Yep, he couldn't handle the Patriots offense and didn't last long.

[BADOLBILZ]

44 minutes ago, Peter said:

I actually think that McKenzie has a good head on his shoulders. Unlike a lot of people, he actually is preparing for life after football and opened up a BBQ place down here in Miami that is getting rave reviews. See below. He did not pour millions in a recording studio or some other ridiculous thing.

 

He also is well liked by his teammates and we have seen that he can be a special player.  I honestly don't understand some of the criticism.

 

Miami New Times rated his BBQ restaurant (La Traila) as the best BBQ restaurant in Miami:

 

 

Miami New Times

 

 

He has proven he can be a "special" player?

 

Where the f*ck is THAT proof?

 

He is 5 years into the league with like 900 career receiving yards and never averaged as much as 10 yards per reception in any season.

 

He is too careless with the football to keep a return job.

 

I'm not saying that he can't do better with more chances if he has an elite QB like Josh Allen...........but he hasn't proven he can be special..........he's proven he can be a useful gadget player.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t necessarily agree.  He’s had a lot of success in the slot and his makes him dangerous gadget player on offense.  Do fans overvalue him?  Maybe but I also don’t feel he was ever utilized properly.  Whether he’s back or not, the Bills need more speed at WR 

a lot of success? I’ll buy “he’s shown a few flashes” but the dude is under 100 catches in 5 years for 9 yards a pop. 

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He has proven he can be a "special" player?

 

Where the f*ck is THAT proof?

 

He is 5 years into the league with like 900 career receiving yards and never averaged as much as 10 yards per reception in any season.

 

He is too careless with the football to keep a return job.

 

I'm not saying that he can't do better with more chances if he has an elite QB like Josh Allen...........but he hasn't proven he can be special..........he's proven he can be a useful gadget player.

ha - great minds, great timing. 

[krf139]

He goes to the Giants

[racketmaster]

McDermott  has always seemed reluctant to replace incumbent veteran players.

[Peter]

58 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He has proven he can be a "special" player?

 

Where the f*ck is THAT proof?

 

 

Watch the game against NE at NE.  He showed what he is capable of doing. That is the f*cking proof. He was given an extended chance, and he was damn good.  

 

Don't listen to me. Ask Josh what he thinks of McKenzie.

 

P.S. My original quote, which you misstated: ". . . we have seen that he can be a special player."

Edited January 29, 2022 by Peter

[Nitro]

I like how he lays but if he is unhappy here and clashes with the HC then it is time to go. 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

When I think that all it would have taken was lining someone up in Tyreek and Kelce's face and tackle them at their release take the 5 yard penalty and burn 6-7 seconds I then begin to realize these coaches are given too much credit of how smart they actually are.  Even Romo made this comment "you can't score in 13 seconds..that just..that doesn't happen in real life".  Man it's going to be a long off season especially if K.C. ends up winning it all.

 

Time does not run off clock on defense penalty.  I think that rule was put in due to Billicheat.

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Watch the game against NE at NE.  He showed what he is capable of doing. That is the f*cking proof. He was given an extended chance, and he was damn good.  

 

Don't listen to me. Ask Josh what he thinks of McKenzie.

 

P.S. My original quote, which you misstated: ". . . we have seen that he can be a special player."

 

 

I guess we need your seasonal statistical definition of "special" Petey.........and how much they should pay him per year?

 

[Peter]

29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I guess we need your seasonal statistical definition of "special" Petey.........and how much they should pay him per year?

 

 

As I said in the original post: "We have seen that he can be a special player." If you don't think that he played well and was a special player that day then good for you.

 

P.S. By special, I mean a Beasley type receiver who also has high end speed. He also has shown he can run the ball on sweeps.

 

P.P.S. I will leave it Beane to decide what to pay him if anything.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Peter

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, Peter said:

 

As I said in the original post: "We have seen that he can be a special player." If you don't think that he played well and was a special player that day then good for you.

 

P.S. By special, I mean a Beasley type receiver with high end speed. He also has shown he can run the ball on sweeps.

 

P.P.S. I will leave it Beane to decide what to pay him if anything.

 

Beasley has averaged 812 yards per season in Buffalo..........more than thrice Beasley's best season.......closer to his 5 year career total..........so no he hasn't proven he can do that.

 

Duke Williams had a 100+ yard game in 2019........did he show us he could be a special player that day?  

 

I could give you a LONG list of ex-Bills who had one or a handful of huge games and clearly weren't special.

[Peter]

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Beasley has averaged 812 yards per season in Buffalo..........more than thrice Beasley's best season.......closer to his 5 year career total..........so no he hasn't proven he can do that.

 

Duke Williams had a 100+ yard game in 2019........did he show us he could be a special player that day?  

 

I could give you a LONG list of ex-Bills who had one or a handful of huge games and clearly weren't special.

 

I take it that English is not your first language. 

 

Please show me where in my original post I used the word "proven."  I will wait.

 

P.S. Actually, I am not going to wait. Spoiler alert: it is not there.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Peter

[Buffalo Barbarian]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ive listened to these pretty much every week and referenced in the thread where I don’t think he’s returning - he made a lot of comments all year about things he doesn’t like. Personally, I think it’s time he look at some other options if he has them. 

 

Besides not playing more what doesnt he like?

 

would be a shame to lose him, he has excelled when given the opportunity.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, Peter said:

As I said in the original post: "We have seen that he can be a special player." If you don't think that he played well and was a special player that day then good for you.

 

P.S. By special, I mean a Beasley type receiver who also has high end speed. He also has shown he can run the ball on sweeps.

 

So I think it's worth commenting on this a bit more.

 

I don't think anyone would argue that Isaiah McKenzie played well and was "That Guy" for us in the 2nd Patriots game where we were missing Cole and Davis to Covid and Sanders was strapping himself up and playing on a bum knee.

 

The question is: does that represent his true capabilities as a slot receiver, or does it represent the fact that the Patriots were suddenly facing the Bills #5 WR in targets, yards, and receptions?  Because we've seen guys have one great game (Duke Williams) or some great receptions (Jake Kumerow), then when there's video out there to study, they're easily neutralized.

 

The Patriots were playing man, and McKenzie was simply able to run away from it.

 

Beasley thrives in zone coverage, and excels at knowing where the gaps will be and being able to sit in them.

 

This isn't just me saying this, Taron Johnson was interviewed earlier this season and said that practicing against Beasley was a "cheat code" to make him a better nickel corner.  Asked about McKenzie, he said "his thing is mainly speed".

 

Now speed is to be feared.  Speed kills.  But speed doesn't make McKenzie able to do what Beasley does, to be a zone-beater who can almost always get open in the slot unless you double him.  Speed can open different plays though - I thought it was interesting that the Bills started using McKenzie on some of the outside runs they'd tried with Brieda.

 

Here's the problem: once again, McKenzie kind of washed out as a KR/PR - he actually fumbled on the first KR vs KC, though it went out of bounds;  he muffed or misjudged enough PR that he lost that job.  And this was his third chance.

 

McKenzie has shown flashes, but I don't know that they've flashed enough that the Bills are ready to say "Move along now Beas, we're giving your job to McKenzie"

 

 

[Peter]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So I think it's worth commenting on this a bit more.

 

I don't think anyone would argue that Isaiah McKenzie played well and was "That Guy" for us in the 2nd Patriots game where we were missing Cole and Davis to Covid and Sanders was strapping himself up and playing on a bum knee.

 

The question is: does that represent his true capabilities as a slot receiver, or does it represent the fact that the Patriots were suddenly facing the Bills #5 WR in targets, yards, and receptions?  Because we've seen guys have one great game (Duke Williams) or some great receptions (Jake Kumerow), then when there's video out there to study, they're easily neutralized.

 

The Patriots were playing man, and McKenzie was simply able to run away from it.

 

Beasley thrives in zone coverage, and excels at knowing where the gaps will be and being able to sit in them.

 

This isn't just me saying this, Taron Johnson was interviewed earlier this season and said that practicing against Beasley was a "cheat code" to make him a better nickel corner.  Asked about McKenzie, he said "his thing is mainly speed".

 

Now speed is to be feared.  Speed kills.  But speed doesn't make McKenzie able to do what Beasley does, to be a zone-beater who can almost always get open in the slot unless you double him.

 

 

 

My posts on the subject were not intended to be a McKenzie v. Beasley comment. I would love both of them to be on the team next year.

 

It just so happened, when he played an entire game when Beasley was out, McKenzie exhibited what he is capable of doing. It just so happens, McKenzie had about as good a day any of our WRs had this year (with the exception of Gabriel Davis this past week).

 

Another point, I used the phrase Beasley type of receiver in contradistinction to an outside receiver. 

 

In any event, I stand by my comment that McKenzie showed what he is capable of in the NE game there.