Niagara Bill Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 12:09 PM, Westside said: It’s never really been about the virus. It’s about power and corruption. The Democratic Party I grew up with and was a member of, would have embraced this protest against racism and tyranny. Instead we (D) let the morally bankrupt politicians and there mentally challenged supporters like billstime and tibs take control. I don’t think the Democratic Party can ever recover from this. If the far left on this board really cared about the workers, they would be supporting this movement. But just like POC, they recognize them only when they need to be re-elected. It’s a damn shame! Hard for me to see that this was not about the virus. It was about what? China labs, Fauci planned this to be rich, Pfizer wanted global control, trump needed a drum to beat, dems needed election issue, Putin needed this, the taliban wanted to get US out so they created a virus...hmmmmm. yeh, politics are involved, it us 2019, 20, 21, 22...wtf else could you expect. Believe Fauci or bleach in your blood stream. The judgement here is between what your belief is, deaths or freedoms. Where s the cross over, 950,000 deaths is not enough, so 950,001 or if no effort was made for vaccines, masks, shutdowns etc, 1,500,000 or 3,000,000 or many more? Risk? What is your investment strategy. I know you will not answer this question because a decision is required not dogma. If the virus would have threatened 100,000 deaths in US, or1,000 in Canada, I would agree with you, but I choose to listen and accept that millions could die, and see the necessity for many measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Hard for me to see that this was not about the virus. It was about what? China labs, Fauci planned this to be rich, Pfizer wanted global control, trump needed a drum to beat, dems needed election issue, Putin needed this, the taliban wanted to get US out so they created a virus...hmmmmm. yeh, politics are involved, it us 2019, 20, 21, 22...wtf else could you expect. Believe Fauci or bleach in your blood stream. The judgement here is between what your belief is, deaths or freedoms. Where s the cross over, 950,000 deaths is not enough, so 950,001 or if no effort was made for vaccines, masks, shutdowns etc, 1,500,000 or 3,000,000 or many more? Risk? What is your investment strategy. I know you will not answer this question because a decision is required not dogma. If the virus would have threatened 100,000 deaths in US, or1,000 in Canada, I would agree with you, but I choose to listen and accept that millions could die, and see the necessity for many measures. While I completely empathize with you, and your concerns appear sincerely genuine, there are very legit arguments, making the case, that there were ulterior motives in trying to make the virus seem worse than it was... From hospitals getting paid for covid cases/deaths, to Bill Gates saying in a 2018 article, that the pathway to digital ID is through immunization, to certain politicians saying “Never let a good crisis go to waste” and then using their granted ‘emergency powers’ to push through their own political agendas, to the government suppression of early treatments, to Pfizer sponsoring all of the mainstream media’s pushing of the vaccines, etc etc... I could go on, but it would take all day...But you get the point...That’s why it’s imperative you do your own research on this matter...The mainstream media and Big Tech are just PR mouth pieces for the Establishment, who is, in turn, bought and paid for by Big Pharma...And Big Pharma’s job is never to benefit you, as much as it is to benefit themselves...👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Blocking the border and not letting everyone else get to wherever they need to go is wrong. Actually denying Freedom to those behind them. Or, are you saying denying other's a Freedom is OK? What freedom is beind denied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffarukus Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Hard for me to see that this was not about the virus. It was about what? China labs, Fauci planned this to be rich, Pfizer wanted global control, trump needed a drum to beat, dems needed election issue, Putin needed this, the taliban wanted to get US out so they created a virus...hmmmmm. yeh, politics are involved, it us 2019, 20, 21, 22...wtf else could you expect. Believe Fauci or bleach in your blood stream. The judgement here is between what your belief is, deaths or freedoms. Where s the cross over, 950,000 deaths is not enough, so 950,001 or if no effort was made for vaccines, masks, shutdowns etc, 1,500,000 or 3,000,000 or many more? Risk? What is your investment strategy. I know you will not answer this question because a decision is required not dogma. If the virus would have threatened 100,000 deaths in US, or1,000 in Canada, I would agree with you, but I choose to listen and accept that millions could die, and see the necessity for many measures. no belief necessary! thats the problem! after all that has been discovered how you can come to such a stringent set of decisions. freedom or death? as if making such a decision will result in a absolute when its been repeatedly shown that's not the case. those are simplistic viewpoints spouted by mainstream media. the fact so many have not investigated on their own, as censored as it is, and fall in line relying on belief and orders from the gov that make no sense is scary. those same people demanding those that don't are the ones who should be punished is what is terrifying. simply asking basic questions is all it takes to understand. why did states that allow freedom not result in far more deaths? this fact alone ends any notion that truckers are not justified. can you answer it? if you can't where is this death or freedom option even coming from. natural immunity is FAR more superior to any vax when it come to developing antibodies and yet these people can't get a exemption? why? what % of people with far better defence to this virus are considered in the "anti vax" group that the government say we must make higher or the public has decided are "dangerous" throughout. when it comes to what this is about. i think its about power but more importantly understanding that admitting to being wrong puts alot of economic and phycological destruction on people who made the wrong choices. all while slandering/censoring those who did so they have dug there feet in all while empowering themselves as virtuous. Edited February 13, 2022 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well….one group is protesting for unarmed people being killed and the other is protesting getting …what….maybe their 20th vaccine…and the perils of wearing a mask ….BTW the Canadian Womens hockey team managed to win a hockey game at the Olympics wearing masks …..and these guys can’t wear a mask to the grocery store?..Talk about snowflakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, TH3 said: Well….one group is protesting for unarmed people being killed and the other is protesting getting …what….maybe their 20th vaccine…and the perils of wearing a mask …. BTW the Canadian Womens hockey team managed to win a hockey game at the Olympics wearing masks …..and these guys can’t wear a mask to the grocery store?..Talk about snowflakes You are a buffoon. People killed and property/businesses destroyed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: no belief necessary! that the problem! after all that has been discovered how you can come to such a stringent set of decisions. freedom or death? as if making such a decision will result in a outcome when its been repeatedly shown that's not the case. those are simplistic viewpoints spouted by mainstream media. the fact so many have not investigated on their own, as censored as it is, and fall in line relying on belief and orders from the gov that make no sense and yet demand those that don't are the ones who should be punished is what is terrafying as those type of people can be manipulated and will go against anything they are told. simply ask yourself basic questions is all it takes. why did states that allow freedom not result in far more deaths? this fact alone ends any notion that truckers are not justified. can you answer it? natural immunity is FAR more superior to any vax when it come to developing antibodies and yet these people can't get a exemption? why? what % of people with far better defence to this virus are considered in the "anti vax" group that the government say we must make higher or the public has decided are "dangerous" when it comes to what this is about. i think its about power but more importantly understanding that admitting to being wrong puts alot of economic and phycological destruction on people who made the wrong choices. all while slandering/censoring those who did. Death rate by state is far more complicated than is DeSantis a genius and Cuomo a nut. Living conditions, group home deaths, living outdoors vs indoors, vaccine rates, outdoor venues vs indoor, sub ways vs cars, apartments vs homes, international visitors, medical readiness etc etc. Natural immunity to Delta was certainly more costly in deaths than omicron. Immunity is likely impossible as it is with the flu or cold virus. Just hope the next version is weaker yet than omicron. If Delta had remained or returns the deaths will be heavy. Immunity lasts only months, either way. Vaxxed or not. Saving life's for me is more important jn the short term than certain limitations. My short term is years, yours might be days. Would you isolate for 14 days to safe your life and others, or 30 days or 6 months. Hmmmm. In the end screw the politics and corruption poop. 19 minutes ago, B-Man said: You are a buffoon. People killed and property/businesses destroyed And where in Canada did this burning occur. Is Rhino back creating again. Me thinks you are full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Hard for me to see that this was not about the virus. It was about what? China labs, Fauci planned this to be rich, Pfizer wanted global control, trump needed a drum to beat, dems needed election issue, Putin needed this, the taliban wanted to get US out so they created a virus...hmmmmm. yeh, politics are involved, it us 2019, 20, 21, 22...wtf else could you expect. Believe Fauci or bleach in your blood stream. The judgement here is between what your belief is, deaths or freedoms. Where s the cross over, 950,000 deaths is not enough, so 950,001 or if no effort was made for vaccines, masks, shutdowns etc, 1,500,000 or 3,000,000 or many more? Risk? What is your investment strategy. I know you will not answer this question because a decision is required not dogma. If the virus would have threatened 100,000 deaths in US, or1,000 in Canada, I would agree with you, but I choose to listen and accept that millions could die, and see the necessity for many measures. Who knows what the real death count is? Did they die from covid or with covid? How anyone can’t see how politically motivated it’s been since the beginning is being deliberately obtuse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, TH3 said: Well….one group is protesting for unarmed people being killed and the other is protesting getting …what….maybe their 20th vaccine…and the perils of wearing a mask ….BTW the Canadian Womens hockey team managed to win a hockey game at the Olympics wearing masks …..and these guys can’t wear a mask to the grocery store?..Talk about snowflakes Your utter lack of logic is beyond stunning! I’m at a loss as to where to even start. 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, TH3 said: Well….one group is protesting for unarmed people being killed and the other is protesting getting …what….maybe their 20th vaccine…and the perils of wearing a mask ….BTW the Canadian Womens hockey team managed to win a hockey game at the Olympics wearing masks …..and these guys can’t wear a mask to the grocery store?..Talk about snowflakes “Can I get TH3 has no idea what any of this is about for $500 Alex!” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: What freedom is beind denied? A Canadian person driving their car on freeways or across the bridge to get where they want to go. Companies and people on both sides of boarder from doing free exchange of goods and services. 58 minutes ago, TH3 said: Well….one group is protesting for unarmed people being killed and the other is protesting getting …what….maybe their 20th vaccine…and the perils of wearing a mask ….BTW the Canadian Womens hockey team managed to win a hockey game at the Olympics wearing masks …..and these guys can’t wear a mask to the grocery store?..Talk about snowflakes Protests are only OK when you like them? Only when they are worthy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Westside said: Who knows what the real death count is? Did they die from covid or with covid? How anyone can’t see how politically motivated it’s been since the beginning is being deliberately obtuse. Agreed, but YOUR statement of death count being wrong is political. Almost every death has more than 1 cause, so this is nothing more than trying to justify ignoring 950,000. Some would have died by drunk drivers, but that doesn't matter because at the time they had a heart condition. That is a political self serving position. If I guessed wrong and a vaccine causes brain cancer in 50% of those who got 3 doses I am wrong and will live with it ( OR DIE WITH IT). But for those who yelled FREEDOM, without thought for their fellow citizens, there may be a special place for them in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Your utter lack of logic is beyond stunning! I’m at a loss as to where to even start. 🙄 Logic is good if you have no problem wearing a simple mask to the grocery store. Do you drive with an open container of beer in Cali to flaunt the law which us trying to protect people, when there us freedom to have open containers in some counties in the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: And where in Canada did this burning occur. Me thinks you are full of it. I thought that it was pretty clear, but if you want I can point out the obvious. TH3 made a hysterically ridiculous comparison of the Riot/protests in the Summer of 2020 here in the US with the truckers protest in Canada. I posted those to show him that he was......................lets just say "wrong" at no point did I imply that the liberal/Antifa violent protests were in Canada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: A Canadian person driving their car on freeways or across the bridge to get where they want to go. Companies and people on both sides of boarder from doing free exchange of goods and services. And in my mind worth every sacrifice. A mere inconvenience to let government know we’re mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore. You can continue with this kind of rule but I’m sick of it. So do not compare this to giving in to kidnappers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeBills Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 10:58 AM, B-Man said: All this, over a vaccine mandate for a virus with a 98% survival rate. Destroy the country in order to get some truckers to obey you. Nice job, Justine! Leftist Fascism. 99.2-99.6% survival rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: And in my mind worth every sacrifice. A mere inconvenience to let government know we’re mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore. You can continue with this kind of rule but I’m sick of it. So do not compare this to giving in to kidnappers! I'm sick of it too. But doesn't give anyone the right to block traffic and the border. Surely an inconvenience, but what about someone trying to go visit their dying Grandmother? Or someone trying to get their pregnant wife to the Hospital? No bggee. Just deal with this inconvenience cuz @Chef Jim is tired at mask mandates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Death rate by state is far more complicated than is DeSantis a genius and Cuomo a nut. Living conditions, group home deaths, living outdoors vs indoors, vaccine rates, outdoor venues vs indoor, sub ways vs cars, apartments vs homes, international visitors, medical readiness etc etc. Natural immunity to Delta was certainly more costly in deaths than omicron. Immunity is likely impossible as it is with the flu or cold virus. Just hope the next version is weaker yet than omicron. If Delta had remained or returns the deaths will be heavy. Immunity lasts only months, either way. Vaxxed or not. Saving life's for me is more important jn the short term than certain limitations. My short term is years, yours might be days. Would you isolate for 14 days to safe your life and others, or 30 days or 6 months. Hmmmm. In the end screw the politics and corruption poop. its interesting that you use alot of nuance to the pandemic response/factors, which is a good thing. im not sure that would explain things as most of your factors can be erased simply by switching to a location that is more similar like California. we should see a significant difference when the approaches were not slightly different, they were completely opposite. i think the answer is when you give people access to options they generally know how to take care of there health and saftey just as much then when the gov forces them on people. so the only absolute i see is alot of economic destruction, segregation and division. the data is not confirming it is worth that damage. you know about the study done by johns hopkins that says exactly that correct? https://www.americanexperiment.org/a-closer-look-at-the-johns-hopkins-lockdown-study/ there is also a study on the ineffectiveness of masks by the cdc. just put it on people in this very thread are saying. go right ahead, the cdc itself conflicts with that. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cdc-admits-cloth-masks-ineffective-armstrong-economics natural immunity is far superior then vaccines. there are multiple studies that have made this conclusion. regardless how long it lasts that should EXEMPT people that are declared unvaxed and DEFINITELY stop them from taking their jobs away. studies, data, science, facts. all things that we were told would be used. so at what point does society admit that at best, it has a very flimsy standing to uphold the mandates? they need to be based on a very solid data stating they are absolutley effective. otherwise how is it not totalitarian? if thats true how do you not stand on the side fighting against it with the truckers. all they are asking is to be left alone and allowed to make their own decisions for their families. its really sad when that is compared to a terroristic threat. Edited February 14, 2022 by Buffarukus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: I'm sick of it too. But doesn't give anyone the right to block traffic and the border. Surely an inconvenience, but what about someone trying to go visit their dying Grandmother? Or someone trying to get their pregnant wife to the Hospital? No bggee. Just deal with this inconvenience cuz @Chef Jim is tired at mask mandates. How many people are crossing the border to deliver a baby? Good lord man. And if you think this is just about mask mandates you’ve not been paying attention the past several years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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