Big Turk Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) The teams with COVID outbreaks were going to forfeit but players on neither team would have gotten paid. NFLPA wasn't cool with that and pushed hard to reschedule them. NFL gave in and rescheduled them. https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-news-jc-tretter-nfl-wanted-cancel-games-union-postponements-to-pay-players-164215312.html The Raiders questioned if JC Tretter, head of the players' union, pushed back games for his team's own good. Edited December 22, 2021 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLP Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Yup, cancelled games mean that player's won't get their game checks. That's when the unvaccinated will hear it from the vaccinated. Major dissention in the locker room, just what every team needs come playoff time. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The teams with COVID outbreaks were going to forfeit but players on neither team would have gotten paid. NFLPA wasn't cool with that and pushed hard to reschedule them. NFL gave in and rescheduled them. https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-news-jc-tretter-nfl-wanted-cancel-games-union-postponements-to-pay-players-164215312.html The Raiders questioned if JC Tretter, head of the players' union, pushed back games for his team's own good. When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Here's another angle. Season future bets on win totals are based on each team playing 17 games. My future bets say if they don't play 17 games the bet doesn't stand. That means both the casinos & winning bettors lose out and the bets get refunded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I think it's better to try to play all the games. Plus, with vaccinated players testing positive due to the new variant, things are different now than they were before the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, GLP said: Yup, cancelled games mean that player's won't get their game checks. That's when the unvaccinated will hear it from the vaccinated. Major dissention in the locker room, just what every team needs come playoff time. Given the NFL's overall stat that 93-94% of the players are vaccinated, it's kind of hard to see unvaccinated players as driving these outbreaks. 21 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. The "before the season" thing I recall was "if the games are cancelled due to an outbreak caused by unvaccinated players". I think the NFLPA had to agree to that as part of the negotiations to allow vaccination to be voluntary for players. I don't think either side agreed on/specified what would happen if an outbreak was spread in the locker room by both vaccinated and unvaccinated players. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Given the NFL's overall stat that 94% of the players are vaccinated, it's kind of hard to see unvaccinated players as driving these outbreaks. Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont? 1 1 1 1 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) No matter what happens at least half of everybody will be pissed off. But, thats just kind of the world we live in now. Edited December 22, 2021 by Lagoon Blues 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, StHustle said: Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont? No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'. And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here. 1 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'. And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here. Gotcha...and it's clear because it's many more of them. I was enforcing your original point. 6% unvaxxed isn't driving the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. Yes. As always, the fans are the ones who get screwed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Here's another angle. Season future bets on win totals are based on each team playing 17 games. My future bets say if they don't play 17 games the bet doesn't stand. That means both the casinos & winning bettors lose out and the bets get refunded. that's bs. If you bet 10 and team wins 10 or more you should win the bet regardless of how many total games your bet plays. personally i feel a bet is a bet. If you place a bet you accept the risks that games may not be played for many reasons. And live with the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, cba fan said: that's bs. If you bet 10 and team wins 10 or more you should win the bet regardless of how many total games your bet plays. personally i feel a bet is a bet. If you place a bet you accept the risks that games may not be played for many reasons. And live with the results. Agree to an extent...I think any bet that would have an outcome unchanged by canceled games should still stand...only bets that could have it go either way should be refunded for both sides. For example, if you bet the Bills to win 12 games, even if they had one canceled now, they can only win a max of 11, so you should still lose that bet. But for example, you bet them to win 11 games and they are 10-6 and the last game gets canceled, then it should be refunded since they could have theoretically won 11. So to mez any bet that won or lost on either side even with a cancellation should still be honored, only the ones that could go either way or change based on a canceled game should be refunded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, StHustle said: Gotcha...and it's clear because it's many more of them. I was enforcing your original point. 6% unvaxxed isn't driving the issue. From some of the case reports, it appears that in the right circumstances (crowded, unmasked, prolonged contact as on a plane or in a party), one person infected with Omicron can infect a large number of people. So in theory, one or two unvaccinated people in the locker room could be driving the issue. And infections with Omicron appear to progress very quickly - 2 or 3 days between infections vs. 5 days to a week. A person can apparently test negative the day before, and be infecting a bunch of people by evening. We don't have good data yet on what impact vaccination may (or may not) have on transmissibility of Omicron, as far as I know. But yeah, if the NFL had data (and they can sometimes determine the index case and spread patterns in a facility) showing that the recent outbreaks stemmed from an unvaccinated person, I would have expected them to be forcing a forfeit. And I think the probabilities are against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: From some of the case reports, it appears that in the right circumstances (crowded, unmasked, prolonged contact as on a plane or in a party), one person infected with Omicron can infect a large number of people. So in theory, one or two unvaccinated people in the locker room could be driving the issue. And infections with Omicron appear to progress very quickly - 2 or 3 days between infections vs. 5 days to a week. A person can apparently test negative the day before, and be infecting a bunch of people by evening. We don't have good data yet on what impact vaccination may (or may not) have on transmissibility of Omicron, as far as I know. But yeah, if the NFL had data (and they can sometimes determine the index case and spread patterns in a facility) showing that the recent outbreaks stemmed from an unvaccinated person, I would have expected them to be forcing a forfeit. And I think the probabilities are against it. My cynical take: the NFL wants no part of cancellations because it's giving them full spectrum TV dominance. To wit: between last Saturday (Dec 18) and this upcoming Monday(Dec 27), the NFL will have had 8 prime time games in 10 nights. That's crazy. Edited December 22, 2021 by dave mcbride 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I highly doubt they ever really considered canceling/forfeiting games. Too much money involved on both sides. This is a bunch of hot air. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I highly doubt they ever really considered canceling/forfeiting games. Too much money involved on both sides. This is a bunch of hot air. No it's not. If you read the story the NFL was planning to do just that. It was the NFLPA that pushed hard for them not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: No it's not. If you read the story the NFL was planning to do just that. It was the NFLPA that pushed hard for them not to. Oh, because JC Tretter said so.... This is all posturing. The NFL was never going to cancel games. Threatening to not pay players unless they get vaccinated was their whole goal prior to the season. And now that the new variant is spreading through vaxxed/unvaxxed alike, any validity behind that threat is pretty much gone. There's too much money involved in stadium revenue, TV revenue, salaries, etc for this to have ever been a real consideration. It's all hot air and posturing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 My opinion doesn't mean spit but it seems to me if you got enough players to field a team you play and don't forfeit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Lagoon Blues said: No matter what happens at least half of everybody will be pissed off. But, thats just kind of the world we live in now. Don't assume the rest of the world is like that. 🙂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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