The Frankish Reich Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He has been careless with the football for most of his career. Probably shows up in practice too. Maybe he has small hands. He fumbled 6 (!) times in his rookie year with the Broncos, which is the main reason they cut him. The KO return fumble was his sole fumble this year. I'd say the evidence is that he's corrected the problem and that the KO return thing was just a weird wet field phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He has been careless with the football for most of his career. Probably shows up in practice too. Maybe he has small hands. I understand that muffs are not necessarily counted as fumbles, but as far as what he's scored, McKenzie is scored with one fumble in his last 3 seasons with Buffalo - the one last Sunday. And he had one muff - earlier this season. My understanding is he won the KR/PR job by showing surer hands than Breida or Stevenson in practice and preseason this summer. He did have major fumbling problems his rookie season that cost him his job with Denver and let us pick him up, and he lost the PR job to Micah Hyde after we claimed him. I think there's an element of "let a man get a reputation for rising early" with McKenzie's ball security issues, but we'll see I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So players are allowed to develop. McKenzie has developed since his rookie year. Basically, this season his "numerous other muffs" are the horrible fumble in the Colts game, which deservedly saw him benched today, and a muff against the Dolphins McDermott has stressed that he wants to see the punt end with the ball in our guy's hands, so I'm not sure you can put that on McKenzie and not coaching. He was 6th in Y/R on kickoffs and 8th in Y/R on punts before this week, so I don't think he can be misjudging punts as often as you think. Stevenson had a muff today. Joe B made it a point yesterday as well the Mckenzie's struggles had more to do than just in game muffs or fumbles. Said he really has had issues with ball security in practices as well. I am not good at inserting tweets but it's there on Joe's Twitter. He also said that the ball security issues were so worrysome to the coaching staff that they have lost confidence in him to handle the ball on offense as well. Unless injury happens or a whole string of issues from Stevenson losing the ball I believe we have seen the last of McK in a Bills uni. Edited November 26, 2021 by No Place To Hyde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I understand that muffs are not necessarily counted as fumbles, but as far as what he's scored, McKenzie is scored with one fumble in his last 3 seasons with Buffalo - the one last Sunday. And he had one muff - earlier this season. I realize that pre-season is discounted because the wins and losses don’t count, but he had another muff in the pre-season. That’s 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think there's an element of "let a man get a reputation for rising early" with McKenzie's ball security issues, but we'll see I guess. That's a good point. His reputation precedes him. As opposed to, say, "sure handed" Andre Roberts, who fumbled 3X last year. There's also the fact that Breida's emergence makes McKenzie's role as a speed threat on offense a little less critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I am a Lil Dirty fan. Yes, his fumble was not good (even I was pissed off at him), but I think the coaches just made an easy choice with little to no impact on the actual team. Takes no balls to make these changes. Moss out Breida in. Wanted him to get some snaps anyways. Moss wasn't doing jack $h*t anyways. No brainer easy choice. Mckensie out, Stevenson in another low-impact decision. Need to get Stevenson some playing time after his return from IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Joe B made it a point yesterday as well the Mckenzie's struggles had more to do than just in game muffs or fumbles. Said he really has had issues with ball security in practices as well. I am not good at inserting tweets but it's there on Joe's Twitter. He also said that the ball security issues were so worrysome to the coaching staff that they have lost confidence in him … Dropping balls in practice was probably the nail in the coffin. Not many Coaches will close their eyes to that kind of problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Question: I haven't tried to compile the stats, but I assume Belichick's old pal Ernie Adams and his team did, which is why they'd use their star slot receiver (Welker/Edelman) to return punts (not kickoffs). And I think it's a fair assumption that they found that sure-handed guys who were actually in the game provided sufficient value to outweigh the slightly added injury risk, and that their ability to use their judgment (fair catch, let it bounce, return it) and to make positive yardage when they decided to return it outweighed their lesser ability (as opposed to a McKenzie type) to take a return all the way for a TD. So .. Cole Beasley, punt returner? Not saying it's the right choice, but I'm guessing that if he were on the Pats that's a job he'd have. Why haven't other teams done this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I like McKenzie but Bills fans who were crying about him being de-activated are being overly dramatic. It’s funny how people pretended it was a “scapegoat” decision by McDermott. It wasn’t - they elected to play the better returner. I don’t know why but McKenzie hasn’t been very involved on offense this season. I think his route running was much better last season and was expecting him to be a bigger role on offense. But given that McKenzie has had issues in 2 of the last 3 games as well as issues early in his career, I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 56 minutes ago, SCBills said: If you believe that Vicious Sid guy on Twitter.. seemed to have called Stevenson getting his chance while quietly ramping up these past few weeks. He’s been ramping up in the sense of working with trainers on sideline, but if he’s actually been practicing with the offense on special plays I don’t think that’s allowed while on IR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 42 minutes ago, JohnNord said: I like McKenzie but Bills fans who were crying about him being de-activated are being overly dramatic. It’s funny how people pretended it was a “scapegoat” decision by McDermott. It wasn’t - they elected to play the better returner. I don’t know why but McKenzie hasn’t been very involved on offense this season. I think his route running was much better last season and was expecting him to be a bigger role on offense. But given that McKenzie has had issues in 2 of the last 3 games as well as issues early in his career, I get it. McKenzie is 5th in the NFL for averaged KO return yards (24.91); and 8th in the NFL for Punt return yards (8.71). 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Steveson is gonna slowly start getting work with the offense, there is more upside with him. I was surprised he was activated so quick and on a short week. I don’t think this was because of a fumbles, probably the original plan that just got stalled when Stevenson was put on IR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, BananaB said: Steveson is gonna slowly start getting work with the offense, there is more upside with him. I was surprised he was activated so quick and on a short week. I don’t think this was because of a fumbles, probably the original plan that just got stalled when Stevenson was put on IR This makes the most sense. And it fits with McKenzie's weird comment about his season being over (unless another WR goes down). I also have the feeling McD is still peeved about McKenzie's stupid tweeting earlier this year. You are not Aaron Rodgers, Isaiah ... marginal players should know when it's best to just keep quiet and play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I mean how many chances is he gonna get to muff punts and trip over his own feet. Coaches have to make a change. It’s what had to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said: I mean how many chances is he gonna get to muff punts and trip over his own feet. Apparently one of each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He’s been ramping up in the sense of working with trainers on sideline, but if he’s actually been practicing with the offense on special plays I don’t think that’s allowed while on IR That Viscous Sid guy always guesses and pretends to be an insider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 McKenzie played CB for us a couple years ago… that might be his ticket back out of the doghouse 😭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 One guy is a draft pick with three cheap years left on his contract after this year. The other guy is an impending free agent who has struggled with ball security. They are going to mix Stevenson in to see if he can be the guy next year because they are up against the cap and would rather not have to resign the other guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: One guy is a draft pick with three cheap years left on his contract after this year. The other guy is an impending free agent who has struggled with ball security. They are going to mix Stevenson in to see if he can be the guy next year because they are up against the cap and would rather not have to resign the other guy. How much is Mckensie's contract versus Stevenson's? I'm all for seeing what he's got, just question whether a rookie is better than a vet that knows the system at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Gugny said: McKenzie is 5th in the NFL for averaged KO return yards (24.91); and 8th in the NFL for Punt return yards (8.71). It’s funny how some come up with things out of their emotions while completely ignoring the stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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