Afghanistan

[SoCal Deek]

55 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Check on Russia. 

You do know you can’t see Russia from Germany, right? Even Sarah Palin knows that!

[Doc]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Had to kill Osama, first.  You know

better, HCQ man.  Now, once Osama was deader than a trumper on ivermectin, it was time to go. 

 

Ah yes, Osama.  The guy who was long-retired and watching goat porn by the time he was killed, just in time for Obama's re-election.  No, not an answer in any way shape or form, especially since Obama had 4 more years after that.

 

Try again, Gibbons.

[Doc]

Joe's own perfect phone call: https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-downplays-leaked-transcripts-203600441.html

[Westside]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

yes! The “war” was very little of the 20 year timeline. The country was stable with 2500 troops.  There hadn’t been combat fatalities in a year and a half. There’s something that still doesn’t add up about the way we got out and how. 
 

Maybe a deal or forced by China maybe Russia. How the whole thing occurred defied logic. And we left like $80 billion in gear as if we were surprised we actually were leaving. It’s so odd. 

I would put my money on china. They own biden and they are desperate to go in and extract the lithium in Afghanistan.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

yes! The “war” was very little of the 20 year timeline. The country was stable with 2500 troops.  There hadn’t been combat fatalities in a year and a half. There’s something that still doesn’t add up about the way we got out and how. 
 

Maybe a deal or forced by China maybe Russia. How the whole thing occurred defied logic. And we left like $80 billion in gear as if we were surprised we actually were leaving. It’s so odd. 

 

That's amazing, considering Trump released 5,000 Taliban fighters...

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Ah yes, Osama.  The guy who was long-retired and watching goat porn by the time he was killed, just in time for Obama's re-election.  No, not an answer in any way shape or form, especially since Obama had 4 more years after that.

 

Try again, Gibbons.

You’re having quite a day.  Talking about banging 17 year olds and goat porn in one 24 hour period.  Pretty sick if you ask me, but I guess that’s one of the side effects of excessive HCQ consumption.  

[BillStime]

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

It’s official: Dan Rather is a piece of garbage! Thanks for removing all doubt. 

[BillStime]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

It’s official: Dan Rather is a piece of garbage! Thanks for removing all doubt. 

You wanna see garbage? These four idiots

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, BillStime said:

You wanna see garbage? These four idiots

 

 

Don’t you have homework to do? Do you spend your entire life on Twitter? 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Don’t you have homework to do? Do you spend your entire life on Twitter? 

You're my homework 

[BillStime]

 

[Irv]

18 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You follow this clown.  Rather lied about President Bush and CBS canned him in 2006.  Piece of garbage.  

[snafu]

15 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Check on Russia. 

Have you looked at a map of Europe lately?

 

And (though I’m not advocating for maintaining a base there) Afghanistan borders Iran, China and always shaky nuclear-armed Pakistan. So by your measure of usefulness, Afghanistan is a pretty good location. 
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, BillStime said:

You're my homework 

You’re wasting your time. Go back to class. 

[SectionC3]

27 minutes ago, snafu said:

Have you looked at a map of Europe lately?

 

And (though I’m not advocating for maintaining a base there) Afghanistan borders Iran, China and always shaky nuclear-armed Pakistan. So by your measure of usefulness, Afghanistan is a pretty good location. 
 

 

Try looking at a physical map rather than a political map.  

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

You wanna see garbage? These four idiots

 

 

I blame @doc.  If he had told these guys about HCQ and zinc and ZPACS and magic loogies then they would have been safe.  

Edited September 2, 2021 by SectionC3

[Wacka]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

You follow this clown.  Rather lied about President Bush and CBS canned him in 2006.  Piece of garbage.  

Why isn't he busy interviewing old rock stars. The only time I have seen him recently was on Axys before I dropped that tier  from the cable.

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 hours ago, Bidens_basement said:

I would put my money on china. They own biden and they are desperate to go in and extract the lithium in Afghanistan.

My expectation is China will fare no better than Russia or America here.  The Chinese will "make nice" at the start with all kinds of investments and incentives which the Afghans will accept.  Then they'll seek to exploit the resources of the country.  But won't stop there.  They'll embark on a mission to colonize the country similar to what they're doing, with few paying attention to what's happening, in parts of Africa.  Moving 100's of thousands, millions of Chinese citizens into the country while building segregated and gated Chinese cities.  Pushing the native inhabitants out of the picture.  Eventually the locals, the Taliban, and the war lords will get sick of the Chinese and work to expel them.  Give it a couple years.  And to top it off I wouldn't be at all surprised if at some point the US intelligence services and the military through discreet and secret arrangements becomes a silent "partner" with the Taliban when it comes time to take it to China here.  Part of the idea is that before taking on China directly the US will need to engage in a few proxy wars to assess and understand their capabilities in live fire settings and this might be one of those opportunities.  As the US through its actions has already provided that recon info to China. 

Edited September 2, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Westside]

31 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My expectation is China will fare no better than Russia or America here.  The Chinese will "make nice" at the start with all kinds of investments and incentives which the Afghans will accept.  Then they'll seek to exploit the resources of the country.  But won't stop there.  They'll embark on a mission to colonize the country similar to what they're doing, with few paying attention to what's happening, in parts of Africa.  Moving 100's of thousands, millions of Chinese citizens into the country while building segregated and gated Chinese cities.  Pushing the native inhabitants out of the picture.  Eventually the locals, the Taliban, and the war lords will get sick of the Chinese and work to expel them.  Give it a couple years.  And to top it off I wouldn't be at all surprised if at some point the US intelligence services and the military through discreet and secret arrangements becomes a silent "partner" with the Taliban when it comes time to take it to China here.  Part of the idea is that before taking on China directly the US will need to engage in a few proxy wars to assess and understand their capabilities in live fire settings and this might be one of those opportunities.  As the US through its actions has already provided that recon info to China. 

Sounds like another Korean War might be in our future.

[B-Man]

 

 

 No, Mr. President, we won’t ‘move on’ from your Afghanistan disaster. Of course, Joe’s already forgotten breakfast.

 

https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/no-mr-president-we-wont-move-on-from-your-afghan-disaster/

 

 

 

 

[snafu]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Try looking at a physical map rather than a political map.  

 

I know what a physical map looks like. Poland and Belarus are between Germany and Russia.

Maybe you'd have been right prior to 1989.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

18 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My expectation is China will fare no better than Russia or America here.  The Chinese will "make nice" at the start with all kinds of investments and incentives which the Afghans will accept.  Then they'll seek to exploit the resources of the country.  But won't stop there.  They'll embark on a mission to colonize the country similar to what they're doing, with few paying attention to what's happening, in parts of Africa.  Moving 100's of thousands, millions of Chinese citizens into the country while building segregated and gated Chinese cities.  Pushing the native inhabitants out of the picture.  Eventually the locals, the Taliban, and the war lords will get sick of the Chinese and work to expel them.  Give it a couple years.  And to top it off I wouldn't be at all surprised if at some point the US intelligence services and the military through discreet and secret arrangements becomes a silent "partner" with the Taliban when it comes time to take it to China here.  Part of the idea is that before taking on China directly the US will need to engage in a few proxy wars to assess and understand their capabilities in live fire settings and this might be one of those opportunities.  As the US through its actions has already provided that recon info to China. 

Interesting analysis and history agrees with the outcome you project.. there is another way it may work out. 
 

China does capitalism outside its borders better than any country in the world.

 
Theyd likely have no compunction about enriching the Taliban leadership in exchange for their resources. They can march in their own labor to cheaply across the border extract the resources without the having to struggle with the morality of the brutal regime all in the name of FDI. 
 

the same model has served them well in Africa. 

[SectionC3]

24 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I know what a physical map looks like. Poland and Belarus are between Germany and Russia.

Maybe you'd have been right prior to 1989.

 

Based on that answer, you obviously don’t know what a physical map looks like. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Interesting analysis and history agrees with the outcome you project.. there is another way it may work out. 
 

China does capitalism outside its borders better than any country in the world.

 
Theyd likely have no compunction about enriching the Taliban leadership in exchange for their resources. They can march in their own labor to cheaply across the border extract the resources without the having to struggle with the morality of the brutal regime all in the name of FDI. 
 

the same model has served them well in Africa. 

Good points.  I need to remember to never under-estimate the value of bribe-able and corrupt third world political leadership (or maybe political leadership in general?).

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, snafu said:

 

I know what a physical map looks like. Poland and Belarus are between Germany and Russia.

Maybe you'd have been right prior to 1989.

 

You guys realize we're talking about airbases...right?  We are not marching on foot into Russia anytime soon. This isn't a game of Risk!  And as the most recent, "Longest War in US History" proved we can fight a war pretty darn quickly even if we DO NOT have a base in the region at the time war breaks out.  IMHO, the US should seriously consider closing the vast majority of these international outposts which are all left over from eras, and wars, long gone by. 

[snafu]

34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You guys realize we're talking about airbases...right?  We are not marching on foot into Russia anytime soon. This isn't a game of Risk!  And as the most recent, "Longest War in US History" proved we can fight a war pretty darn quickly even if we DO NOT have a base in the region at the time war breaks out.  IMHO, the US should seriously consider closing the vast majority of these international outposts which are all left over from eras, and wars, long gone by. 

 

In Europe, they worry about tanks rolling through just as much as anything else.

Ask Poland if they want us to leave.  

And if we've got an airbase in Germany (or anywhere else) then we don't need to ask a bunch of other countries for permission to fly over their airspace.

 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

In Europe, they worry about tanks rolling through just as much as anything else.

Ask Poland if they want us to leave.  

And if we've got an airbase in Germany (or anywhere else) then we don't need to ask a bunch of other countries for permission to fly over their airspace.

 

Huh? So, we need to maintain an airbase in Germany because the people in Poland want us to have one there?  Fantastic! 

Back to where we started, I see a whole lot more justification for keeping a base in Afghanistan then the reasons you're citing dating back almost a century.

[snafu]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Huh? So, we need to maintain an airbase in Germany because the people in Poland want us to have one there?  Fantastic! 

Back to where we started, I see a whole lot more justification for keeping a base in Afghanistan then the reasons you're citing dating back almost a century.

 

I agree that having some presence in Afghanistan would have been nice.

And the European ones are also NATO-affiliated.  So the "dating back to a century" is based on one of our oldest treaties, and it makes things a helluva lot easier when we're entangled in the mideast and central Asia.  There's plenty of justification for keeping those intact. 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Shocking Texts Reveal Army Major Knew Americans Waving Passports Were Abandoned at Kabul Airport

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2021/09/02/shocking-texts-reveal-army-major-knew-americans-waving-passports-were-abandoned-at-kabul-airport-n436747

Is it really all that shocking? 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

You guys realize we're talking about airbases...right?  We are not marching on foot into Russia anytime soon. This isn't a game of Risk!  And as the most recent, "Longest War in US History" proved we can fight a war pretty darn quickly even if we DO NOT have a base in the region at the time war breaks out.  IMHO, the US should seriously consider closing the vast majority of these international outposts which are all left over from eras, and wars, long gone by. 

To a point, yes.  But there is value in having a presence in Germany.  It’s part of what keeps the Russians from meddling in eastern NATO states.  There’s also value to keeping naval bases in places like Cuba and Japan and Bahrain.  Look at what’s going on in the South China Sea, for example.  

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

To a point, yes.  But there is value in having a presence in Germany.  It’s part of what keeps the Russians from meddling in eastern NATO states.  There’s also value to keeping naval bases in places like Cuba and Japan and Bahrain.  Look at what’s going on in the South China Sea, for example.  

We could debate this topic forever, but in the 21st Century I see less and less 'value' to any of this anymore.  A strategic and steady draw down is long overdue.  Our middle east experience has proven that we can ramp back up at a moments notice.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We could debate this topic forever, but in the 21st Century I see less and less 'value' to any of this anymore.  A strategic and steady draw down is long overdue.  Our middle east experience has proven that we can ramp back up at a moments notice.

Yeah, we’re not the world super power anymore. I think a big part of it is if we provide the military protection for our allies they have less of their own, making it lower risk they flip or abandon their alliances and act against us. That was always my understanding. 

[Doc]

23 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

You’re having quite a day.  Talking about banging 17 year olds and goat porn in one 24 hour period.  Pretty sick if you ask me, but I guess that’s one of the side effects of excessive HCQ consumption.  

 

No one asked you Gibbons.  It would have been a complete waste of time.

 

9 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

I blame @doc.  If he had told these guys about HCQ and zinc and ZPACS and magic loogies then they would have been safe.  

 

Trump and others tried.  Your masters lied about it and simps like you believed/were complicit with them.  Just because you wanted people to die and Trump to be voted out of office.  Talk about the sickest thing of all.   Meanwhile Joey's reign of error began with the vaccine already being available and over 200K have died since.

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yeah, we’re not the world super power anymore. I think a big part of it is if we provide the military protection for our allies they have less of their own, making it lower risk they flip or abandon their alliances and act against us. That was always my understanding. 

I'd disagree there.  We are still a super power.  My point is that we have just proven that we can be far more nimble in our military responses. The world is much smaller now and thinks move much faster.  We had virtually no footprint at all in Iraq and Afghanistan before 9/11 and we ramped up in a heart beat. As Obama said...."Yes We Can!"

[BillStime]

Thank you Trump voters
 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I'd disagree there.  We are still a super power.  My point is that we have just proven that we can be far more nimble in our military responses. The world is much smaller now and thinks move much faster.  We had virtually no footprint at all in Iraq and Afghanistan before 9/11 and we ramped up in a heart beat. As Obama said...."Yes We Can!"

Yeah I don’t think an arbitrary presence ramp is why we have like 200000 service members on 170 bases in 50 countries, I think it’s more about keeping allies than reacting to enemies. That’s the point.

 

 

 

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Thank you Trump voters
 

 

 

Ah yes, Trump intentionally "broke" it in anticipation of Joey ***** up the withdrawal that hadn't even been decided on at that time.  Meanwhile thousands more non-SIV Afghans managed to board planes and thousands of actual US citizens were left behind.

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

No one asked you Gibbons.  It would have been a complete waste of time.

 

 

Trump and others tried.  Your masters lied about it and simps like you believed/were complicit with them.  Just because you wanted people to die and Trump to be voted out of office.  Talk about the sickest thing of all.   Meanwhile Joey's reign of error began with the vaccine already being available and over 200K have died since.

Doubling down on the stupid, I see. Next thing you know, “Doc” is going to be running an Ivermectin script farm. 

[B-Man]