Critical Race Theory

[SoCal Deek]

28 minutes ago, Governor said:

 

The country has an ugly history and it obviously did great harm by white-washing it all of these years.

 

Wow!  Time to go back to school Governor. You have a whole lot to learn about this country and the good that it's done and continues to do. 

[Frat-Train]

42 minutes ago, Governor said:

I don’t think I have a say in it whatsoever. It’s not my place. I’m the oppressor, not the oppressed. It’s not up to me how it’s delivered. If that’s how people view it and the information is historically and factually correct, I don’t have any problems with it. It’s above my pay grade to make those decisions. 
 

The country has an ugly history and it obviously did great harm by white-washing it all of these years.

 

I’ve only read the parts that discuss economic impacts so far.

Assuming you’re Caucasian, based off of that statement.  When you have the opportunity to sit in and take part, I feel pretty confident that you’ll quickly see that you’re absolutely the oppressed.  It would seem very few posters have any experience with the actual content and how it’s delivered.  Having the “white people” admit their racist tendencies or be labeled as such and treated differently because of their skin color, not only rivals this country’s disgusting past treatment of Americans not of European descent, it shows that the most significant parts of our history are being overlooked...  Our bloodshed for equality, our civil rights movement and our ability to overcome these adversities faster than any nation before us.  All of that is removed and replaced by something that rejects that history and replaces it with theory.  So to answer your statement “If that’s how people view it and the information is historically and factually correct”, this thread is based on “how” people who are starting to see it, view it.  They are alarmed by it.  People like me who was a sponsor of it, before I experienced it.  It isn’t historically or factually correct.  It’s a theory, taught through a discriminating lens that vilifies Dr King’s teachings of love and peace.  And your response to it is what’s expected by those trying to teach it.  That you, someone completely unaffiliated with this country’s ugly history, have no say in it because you’re a self-admitted oppressor.  And like many who confuse a hatred of racism in America with being hated for the racism in America’s history, you’re far-too willing to admit you’re an oppressor because of the color of your skin, while being oppressed for the color of your skin, in front of your peers who (if they’re POC), have to develop verbal judgements against you of how your existence has negatively effected their life.  
 

 

[unbillievable]

Can someone tell me what role Asians play in CRT?

 

 

[Governor]

6 hours ago, Frat-Train said:

Assuming you’re Caucasian, based off of that statement.  When you have the opportunity to sit in and take part, I feel pretty confident that you’ll quickly see that you’re absolutely the oppressed.  It would seem very few posters have any experience with the actual content and how it’s delivered.  Having the “white people” admit their racist tendencies or be labeled as such and treated differently because of their skin color, not only rivals this country’s disgusting past treatment of Americans not of European descent, it shows that the most significant parts of our history are being overlooked...  Our bloodshed for equality, our civil rights movement and our ability to overcome these adversities faster than any nation before us.  All of that is removed and replaced by something that rejects that history and replaces it with theory.  So to answer your statement “If that’s how people view it and the information is historically and factually correct”, this thread is based on “how” people who are starting to see it, view it.  They are alarmed by it.  People like me who was a sponsor of it, before I experienced it.  It isn’t historically or factually correct.  It’s a theory, taught through a discriminating lens that vilifies Dr King’s teachings of love and peace.  And your response to it is what’s expected by those trying to teach it.  That you, someone completely unaffiliated with this country’s ugly history, have no say in it because you’re a self-admitted oppressor.  And like many who confuse a hatred of racism in America with being hated for the racism in America’s history, you’re far-too willing to admit you’re an oppressor because of the color of your skin, while being oppressed for the color of your skin, in front of your peers who (if they’re POC), have to develop verbal judgements against you of how your existence has negatively effected their life.  
 

 

Yeah, I don’t really disagree with anything you said. 
 

I think they should probably cover recent history before they jumped into any theory like you describe, and then tie it to present day life. When I was in 7th and 8th grade, and HS also, we didn’t really cover anything more recent than the Vietnam war, and that was a very short chapter.

5 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Can someone tell me what role Asians play in CRT?

 

 

Asians came here on huge boats well before Columbus did, and by not telling that story, you’re a racist. J/k

7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wow!  Time to go back to school Governor. You have a whole lot to learn about this country and the good that it's done and continues to do. 

Things can be both good and bad, and a little in between. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 hours ago, Frat-Train said:

Assuming you’re Caucasian, based off of that statement.  When you have the opportunity to sit in and take part, I feel pretty confident that you’ll quickly see that you’re absolutely the oppressed.  It would seem very few posters have any experience with the actual content and how it’s delivered.  Having the “white people” admit their racist tendencies or be labeled as such and treated differently because of their skin color, not only rivals this country’s disgusting past treatment of Americans not of European descent, it shows that the most significant parts of our history are being overlooked...  Our bloodshed for equality, our civil rights movement and our ability to overcome these adversities faster than any nation before us.  All of that is removed and replaced by something that rejects that history and replaces it with theory.  So to answer your statement “If that’s how people view it and the information is historically and factually correct”, this thread is based on “how” people who are starting to see it, view it.  They are alarmed by it.  People like me who was a sponsor of it, before I experienced it.  It isn’t historically or factually correct.  It’s a theory, taught through a discriminating lens that vilifies Dr King’s teachings of love and peace.  And your response to it is what’s expected by those trying to teach it.  That you, someone completely unaffiliated with this country’s ugly history, have no say in it because you’re a self-admitted oppressor.  And like many who confuse a hatred of racism in America with being hated for the racism in America’s history, you’re far-too willing to admit you’re an oppressor because of the color of your skin, while being oppressed for the color of your skin, in front of your peers who (if they’re POC), have to develop verbal judgements against you of how your existence has negatively effected their life.  
 

 

I'm also not sure how anyone can come away from an examination of CRT and exposure to it with the conclusion that its a history lesson that includes events and facts that have been generally omitted from the "white" version of history.  Its a theory, and perhaps a hypothesis that doesn't even qualify to the level of theory.  Its a subjective opinion and interpretation of events and race relations by the authors.  It is not an objective, scientific method tested theory that survives the rigors of factual examination and alternative models of race relations and history.  Even myself, not being what I consider a history or sociology expert can come up with a multitude of alternative "theories" that explain all these topics in a different way. 

One big problem is its being presented as some "hard science" that passes all the tests to qualify as fact rather than what it is, which is just a subjective view of race relations and events.  And the fact it supports the agenda of specific interests and belongs in the fiction section of the library rather than the non-fiction section is what needs to be made clear.  If you're looking for objectivity you need to look elsewhere. 

[Frat-Train]

50 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'm also not sure how anyone can come away from an examination of CRT and exposure to it with the conclusion that its a history lesson that includes events and facts that have been generally omitted from the "white" version of history.  Its a theory, and perhaps a hypothesis that doesn't even qualify to the level of theory.  Its a subjective opinion and interpretation of events and race relations by the authors.  It is not an objective, scientific method tested theory that survives the rigors of factual examination and alternative models of race relations and history.  Even myself, not being what I consider a history or sociology expert can come up with a multitude of alternative "theories" that explain all these topics in a different way. 

One big problem is its being presented as some "hard science" that passes all the tests to qualify as fact rather than what it is, which is just a subjective view of race relations and events.  And the fact it supports the agenda of specific interests and belongs in the fiction section of the library rather than the non-fiction section is what needs to be made clear.  If you're looking for objectivity you need to look elsewhere. 

100% agree.  I don’t fault any person who hasn’t experienced it for themselves, but I want to be very clear about my own experience.  I believe there are systemic issues in our country.  I truly do.  But I cannot advocate or support the thought that they’re tied singularly to a specific race.  Especially when said race was and has been on the frontline of every battle waged for equality and freedom, this nation has endured.  To simply omit those facts because of the massive hole they place upon a theory, should be lesson one on the value the actual theory holds.   
 

For critical race theory to stand on its own merits, the oppressed (POC) must align to the thought that anything they’ve achieved in life is achieved under the constant guise of a system designed against them.  Meanwhile, the oppressors (Caucasians) must align to the thought that they’re systemically engineered to oppress, based solely on retaining what their skin color only, has afforded them.  The problem is our history shows we abolished slavery quicker than any nation before us, not through legislation only, but through tremendous bloodshed.  Our civil rights movement was more powerful and successful than in any country throughout the 19th and 20th centuries that held similar populations at the time.  Lastly, take away everything else.  All the statistics, bias and the narratives being driven and simply look behind the curtain for a minute...

 

Imagine being a slave or Native in the 1800’s.  Then imagine being shown a glimpse of the year 2021 and watching a chorus of unfathomably wealthy, prosperous people of color as they join the chorus of the most wealthy and powerful people in the world (Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Google), to declare America has never been more racist and oppressive...  Think of the sheer wrong in this.  Instead of celebrating our growth as a nation, while holding firm to the mistakes we’ve made as guidelines for a better future, we trade in our history and everything we’ve achieved for theories brought forward by politically motivated people who see things in the exact light that MLK warned this nation about -trying to drive out hatred with hatred.  
 

I think more of you should be asking why this social justice theory is being driven by capitalists.  Or why it’s in stark opposition to the Civil rights movement.  Or why it isn’t tied to anything historically accurate, but rather loosely based on ideals and interpretations of a time none of us were present for.  And if some of these tough-to-answer questions don’t give you a better understanding, ask yourself this...  Why are the crowds of people screaming for CRT to be taught, becoming less inclusive of people of color as people of color are starting to distance themselves from it?  Seriously, the delivery of CRT is now being whitewashed as more and more POC see it and begin to distance themselves from it.  You can’t make this stuff up.  
 

 

[Frat-Train]

8 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Can someone tell me what role Asians play in CRT?

 

 

It varies.  In our instructor-led courses, Asians were defined solely on where they stood.  If they’ve allowed a white, Christian culture to be adapted in their lives, then they are subjected to the same criticism of the white attendees.  In CRT, Asians are deemed a high percentage success based off of their adaptability to white culture.  I’ve heard that there’s vilification in other learnings on the subject and have found some of the content to support that.  I think the Asian vilification in CRT has been turned down considerably due to the Anti-Asian sentiment (like anti Semitic) that is sadly growing in this country as we become more divided.  My take away was their success was aligned only to how they have adapted to a white culture and as such, they share some of the fault. It’s all pretty disgusting.   

[SoCal Deek]

9 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Can someone tell me what role Asians play in CRT?

 

 

Asians play the role of "inconvenient truth" in CRT since they completely disprove the socialist agenda that underpins this nonsense.

By the way, Muslims, Indians, Latinos and every other successful group of color also disprove it but don't look over there...we have a country to transform! Cough

Edited June 26, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[unbillievable]

2 hours ago, Frat-Train said:

It varies.  In our instructor-led courses, Asians were defined solely on where they stood.  If they’ve allowed a white, Christian culture to be adapted in their lives, then they are subjected to the same criticism of the white attendees.  In CRT, Asians are deemed a high percentage success based off of their adaptability to white culture.  I’ve heard that there’s vilification in other learnings on the subject and have found some of the content to support that.  I think the Asian vilification in CRT has been turned down considerably due to the Anti-Asian sentiment (like anti Semitic) that is sadly growing in this country as we become more divided.  My take away was their success was aligned only to how they have adapted to a white culture and as such, they share some of the fault. It’s all pretty disgusting.   

 

So a minority acquires white privilege when they become successful, otherwise, they are being oppressed.

 

[Frat-Train]

29 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

So a minority acquires white privilege when they become successful, otherwise, they are being oppressed.

 

That is exactly correct.  Another example where CRT fails is when genetics (how truly mixed we all REALLY are) are ushered in.  CRT is based solely off appearances, but as we know, appearances mean nothing when we go to the DNA and get a true understanding of our pre-American heritage. The wheels begin to backpedal awfully quick when people begin to offer up what their ACTUAL heritage is, vs how they are surmised by their CRT instructor.  That’s why what’s found it’s way to Public schools is now a one-way teach session with no debriefs are focus groups, like in a corporate setting.  This way the content has a better absorption rate.  It’s only when a parent finds out, that there’s an issue.  It’s truly a brilliant evil.

Edited June 26, 2021 by Frat-Train

[B-Man]

 

 

A generation of young men and women are being taught that race is the lens through which all other issues are examined, whether history, math or science.

 

In a recent commencement speech, Abrar Omeish, a Fairfax County school board member, articulated this ideology, asserting, "You understand that social justice is only political for those that can afford to ignore it. You understand that 'neutral' is another word for complicit. And you have made a choice to take a stand."

 

This uncompromising worldview alienates many students and further divides America. It is wrong to shame young men and women simply because they don’t share a teacher’s outlandish political views or support a particular activist agenda. Our education system should bring us together over shared American values, not tear us apart. Parents together with groups like Parents Defending Education are fighting back by revealing the abuses occurring in many school districts, whether through lawsuits or public exposure.

 

Recent events in Virginia show how many districts have been captured by proponents of the discredited and poisonous critical race theory like Omeish. The Fairfax County school board has made promoting deeply controversial critical race theory a misplaced priority, even as the district struggled to adapt to the coronavirus. Recently, the county superintendent, Scott Brabrand, announced a survey to collect parental input on changing the curriculum.

 

Parents were shocked by the biased and leading nature of the questions, steeped in left-wing rhetoric. One question, for example, injected the ideologically infused phrasing "ways to take action against racial and social injustice," and the question as to whether schools "should teach students how to challenge power and privilege in society," sounds like it could have been lifted from Antifa talking points. The framing of these questions wrongly assumes that America is inherently racist. There is no room for dispute or nuance in the survey. Either you are challenging power and privilege or are a part of the system (a core message in prominent critical race theorist Ibram X. Kendi's work).

 

Emails uncovered by PDE have since revealed that the survey was intentionally designed to elicit biased results. The group conducting the survey had already been awarded a contract by Fairfax County to revamp the curriculum and will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars in coming years. It is disheartening to see critical race theory spread to the doorstep of Washington, D.C., where so many important policy decisions occur.

 

The introduction of critical race theory isn't limited to one district in Virginia. In Evanston, Illinois, parents were asked to read a book called Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness with their students and discuss how "whiteness shows up in school or in the community." Similarly, third-graders at R.I. Meyerholz Elementary School in California were made to rank themselves based on how much "power and privilege" they had.

 

These efforts seem to be a precursor to the nationalization of critical race theory. President Biden's Department of Education plans to funnel grant funding to schools that implement programs that teach the tenants of critical race theory. The initial program only provides a few million dollars in funding, but if implemented, the administration can push for billions in similar funding.

 

Enough is enough; we need to push back against nonsense. We should be teaching children about core American values like justice, liberty and opportunity, not racializing our past. America isn't perfect, and we shouldn't cover up our failures, but everything cannot and shouldn't be boiled down to race and racism. Doing so does a disservice to America's young women, who are taught that the color of their skin defines them more than the choices they make.

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/terichristoph/2021/06/26/critical-race-theory-is-hurting-the-next-generation-n2591610

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

15 hours ago, Governor said:

I don’t think I have a say in it whatsoever. It’s not my place. I’m the oppressor, not the oppressed. It’s not up to me how it’s delivered. If that’s how people view it and the information is historically and factually correct, I don’t have any problems with it. It’s above my pay grade to make those decisions. 
 

The country has an ugly history and it obviously did great harm by white-washing it all of these years.

 

I’ve only read the parts that discuss economic impacts so far.

You are the oppressor? 

[Tiberius]

On 6/25/2021 at 12:57 PM, Capco said:

 

Let me just focus on one specific part then.

 

Why does an accurate, thorough accounting of history require examining it through a lens that challenges and critiques concepts like legal equality, colorblindness, role modeling, and the merit principle?  I ask because that is (part of) CRT.

Thanks for the question. I’d argue that a racial focus was forced on black people. It was their entire history and how would you separate that history from race based slavery, race based segregation and race based violence directed at them. 

 

How else could you teach African American history without viewing it through a race based standard? Think about the merit principle, that’s a joke to black people. They were here for hundreds of years and saw the immigrants sent straight to the head of the line for jobs, participation in government and access to education. 

 

 

34 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

A generation of young men and women are being taught that race is the lens through which all other issues are examined, whether history, math or science. 

 

 

Really? This is simply not true at all 

[reddogblitz]

13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Thanks for the question. I’d argue that a racial focus was forced on black people. It was their entire history and how would you separate that history from race based slavery, race based segregation and race based violence directed at them. 

 

How else could you teach African American history without viewing it through a race based standard? Think about the merit principle, that’s a joke to black people. They were here for hundreds of years and saw the immigrants sent straight to the head of the line for jobs, participation in government and access to education. 

 

 

Really? This is simply not true at all 

 

According to the bolded in paragraph 2 it is at least 1/3 true.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Can someone tell me what role Asians play in CRT?

 

 

yes, a contradictory problem. That’s the role. 

[B-Man]

 

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

Really? This is simply not true at all 

 

 

 

I am afraid it is.

 

Your denial, speaks to your own bias.

 

 

 

 

[Governor]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You are the oppressor? 

I might be…..somewhere down the line.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You are the oppressor? 

It feels good to finally figure out the bad apple that’s been screwing it up for the rest of us. Maybe if we just ostracize the oppressive person we can get on with normal life . 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

yes, a contradictory problem. That’s the role. 

And inter-racial marriage.  Is there a logical explanation why an oppressor and an oppressed would want to engage in the act of marriage?  For CRT to pass the "true" theory test these arrangements could not exist.  But they do and they go unexplained. 

If I was to debate or challenge the theory with some believer I might start here along with requesting an explanation of how Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics, Native Africans, Middle Easterners, Pacific Islanders, and others fit into the theory.  And why they are omitted.  My guess is including them would paint a completely different picture of the current reality and invalidate the subjective conclusions and beliefs of the authors.  

[TH3]

CRT .... just the latest Rorschach test for white folk.....thank you  posters for taking place in this study