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Honestly, it's kind of shocking how much worse his defensive acquisitions have been compared to Sean.    Who are our best defenders currently on the roster?    Poyer Hyde

14 more days.

Given how close Beane and McDermott work, I'm not sure any defensive players would be recruited by Beane without the seal of approval from McDermott. 

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

Extremely relevant in a topic about the defense.

 

EYEROLL

So did the #1 defense last year have to deal with personnel changes, opt outs or a shortened offseason? 

Name which defenders are currently on our roster and better than the ones I listed?

Intentionally or not, you typed out the list of hacks and bums and I salute you. Point well made.


Chan’s the offense is relevant to the defense.  C’mon bud.  Having a #2 offense means you can get to a championship game with a 14th defense.  Just like in 2019 we had the 24th offense and the 3rd best defense.  It’s a balancing act.  Maybe you’re frustrated as some were hard on you, but they are linked.

 

If anything look at the SB Champs, the Bucs.  They were 6th and 7th 8n the offense and defense, but in 2019 they were 3rd in offense even though Winston threw 30 picks, but were 15th in defense.  My point is you’re right we need to be balanced, but it’s odd to see a team top 5 on both sides of the ball.  Usually something gives.  If we simply can get to 8-10th in defense and stay top 5 in offense, we should be great.  It’s not a miracle needed on defense, just a small improvement will go a long way.

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On 4/15/2021 at 5:58 PM, Nick the Greek said:

The D has been carrying the team for the past few years, prior only to last year. I was sad to see the D regress a little last year but they can’t be a top 5 unit every year. 

 

Truer words could not be posted.....

 

The D has been "top 5" 3 times in the last 15 seasons.  Only 1 time in 6 years if you go by points allowed.

 

The O has outranked the D 3 of the past 6 years.

6 hours ago, Cantankeous said:

Who is this guy? Is this a schitk I’m unfamiliar with? Like some clever posters are known for? 
if so, weak effort. If not, I recommend implementing one year, ‘prove it’ posting deals be considered.

 

Bold words for a guy with a handful of posts...

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On 4/15/2021 at 4:53 PM, FireChans said:

Honestly, it's kind of shocking how much worse his defensive acquisitions have been compared to Sean. 

 

Who are our best defenders currently on the roster? 

 

Poyer

Hyde

Tre

Milano

Jerry

 

Do you notice something?  4 of those players were acquired by McD without the McBeane.  Jerry was obviously already here.

 

Compare it to the list of hacks that Beane has acquired. I'd type out all the bums and disappointments but it'd take too long.

 

All I know is if you eliminate the 2017 fellas, our defense would be the worst in the NFL.  If you eliminate Beane's JAG brigade, eh, we'd be okay.

 

Is it time for McD to make the picks again? Beane got the QB, let's thank him for his service and let's put the King of William and Mary back in the Kirk chair.

If not for the 34 to 43 to 34 Whaley did pretty well stocking a defense. 
 

getting the qb right is much more important though 

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34 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

If not for the 34 to 43 to 34 Whaley did pretty well stocking a defense. 
 

getting the qb right is much more important though 

You mean Nix.

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5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Just checking in, assuming the facts are still on hold 😂 

 

I’m starting to think Beane is just messing with @FireChans and @ScottLaw, so he gets bonus points for that! 

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On 4/16/2021 at 9:02 AM, Arm of Harm said:

 

Yeah. I'm just not seeing it. That "top unit" played poorly against the Colts in the playoffs, and got absolutely torched by KC. KC played three postseason games. Their game against the Bills was by far their offense's best of the three.

 

During the regular season, the defense didn't have very many good games against good quarterbacks, except for their performance against Justin Herbert. The defense definitely needs improvement, whether that's a change in the way it's coached, or additional players, or Star coming back, or Harrison Phillips getting healthy, or improvement from guys like Oliver, Edmunds, or Epenesa.

 

Against the Colts, our D gave up a lot of yards, but had some pretty epic moments.  I don't see how you can look at that goal line stand midway through the second and say "played poorly".  1st and 4 from the Buffalo 4 and TOD?  C'mon, Man.  They were leading 10-7 at the time and had a chance to put a 17-7 lead on us.

 

KC game, McDermott's comment was he got outcoached.  No argument there was a poor game on D.

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6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Against the Colts, our D gave up a lot of yards, but had some pretty epic moments.  I don't see how you can look at that goal line stand midway through the second and say "played poorly".  1st and 4 from the Buffalo 4 and TOD?  C'mon, Man.  They were leading 10-7 at the time and had a chance to put a 17-7 lead on us.

 

KC game, McDermott's comment was he got outcoached.  No argument there was a poor game on D.

Goal line stand was great, but those 2 or 3 scores Colts got in like 2 mins each time was a big issue. 

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3 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Goal line stand was great, but those 2 or 3 scores Colts got in like 2 mins each time was a big issue. 

The goal line stand was helped out immensely by Philip Rivers, who missed a wide open receiver in the back of the end zone as he back peddled backwards into pressure for no apparent reason and overthrew him off his back foot. 

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

The goal line stand was helped out immensely by Philip Rivers, who missed a wide open receiver in the back of the end zone as he back peddle backwards into pressure for no apparent reason and overthrew him off his back foot. 

Yeah was a game where Bills D game them many chances to win and while Rivers made some plays he also helped Bills D at times with those mistakes

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On 4/15/2021 at 6:06 PM, mushypeaches said:

This is a ridiculous assertion.  We've had a top defense until last year when some injuries and opt-outs hurt a lot more than any draft or FA misses did.

 

And frankly, I'm much happier that they have a top offense and a middling defense vs having a top defense and a middling offense

 

It's a much stronger and sustainable brand of football.  

 

Would you prefer that we bring another GM in to make these decisions???  Again - ridiculous

The defense last year wasn't even bad so idk why people complain about it so much. I guess I understand we're used to being some alternate version of the Bears, but it's not like the defense was below average.

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5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Against the Colts, our D gave up a lot of yards, but had some pretty epic moments.  I don't see how you can look at that goal line stand midway through the second and say "played poorly".  1st and 4 from the Buffalo 4 and TOD?  C'mon, Man.  They were leading 10-7 at the time and had a chance to put a 17-7 lead on us.

 

KC game, McDermott's comment was he got outcoached.  No argument there was a poor game on D.

See my comment above. 

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On 4/15/2021 at 5:03 PM, NI Bills Fan said:

Given how close Beane and McDermott work, I'm not sure any defensive players would be recruited by Beane without the seal of approval from McDermott. 

This is so true everything they do is hand & hand. They work as a unit if one fails they both do that’s what I love about them. And think other teams want what we have how many times do we hear a GM and coach not getting along. Or if there doing all the cooking they want to have a say in the groceries. 

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On 4/15/2021 at 3:08 PM, glazeduck said:

While I candidly have not seen the data on this, so don't know if it's effecting things or not, it should also be mentioned along with the defense's "regression", that that tends to happen when your offense puts up more points and plays at a faster pace. I believe we were one of the fastest paced teams last season and we were certainly one of the highest scoring offenses, so purely from a "time on field" standpoint, our defense was going to be worse... Whether that's still true prorated for pace of play and other factors, I'm not sure.

 

It's also extremely silly to pretend like Beane is the only one providing input on these selections. They're absolutely collaborating on making these decisions. Furthermore, the more recently drafted guys have also suffered injuries or (though I'm loathe to defend him), like Oliver, forced into bad roles because of other injuries... I think it's pretty likely the D looks better this year.


Eh, the three-and-out offenses before last year left the defense on the field a lot.

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On 4/17/2021 at 1:32 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

Knowing him doesn't make his clown threads less insufferable. 

 

On 4/17/2021 at 2:36 AM, FireChans said:

Lighten up Francis. Take a deep breath.

 

 

 

Thing is, when he's right, he's right.

 

On 4/16/2021 at 10:09 PM, FireChans said:

 

Name which defenders are currently on our roster and better than the ones I listed?

 

 

 

Just read my post again. It was correct then and correct now. Tre and Milano are the two best. Beyond that there's a bunch of good guys without much between them. The other two brought in before Beane got here to help are among that group, a group of older guys who play very well in the scheme and a group of younger guys who look like they're still developing, also helped out by the scheme. 

 

But leaving Oliver and our two-time Pro bowler out shows what nearly most people answering this thread are telling you ... your evaluations are clearly off.

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On 4/17/2021 at 2:36 AM, FireChans said:

 

The lion does not concern himself with the opinion of the sheep.

 

 

In this scenario, you're the sloth.

 

 

On 4/17/2021 at 2:36 AM, FireChans said:

 

How many defensive starters did we have opt out?

 

 

The one we were physically unable to replace, particularly that late in the process. The planet theory guy.

 

 

On 4/17/2021 at 2:36 AM, FireChans said:

 

 

Did we wax the Chiefs offense when we had a week to prepare in the postseason? Kind of a weak excuse tbh. 

 

 

So, that's your new benchmark for a good defense? One that's able to wax the Chiefs offense? Could you real quick write up a list of 7 or 8 defenses that were good by that measure?

 

And it sure ain't like our offense waxed the Chiefs defense, is it? By your definition, the offense must also suck.

 

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21 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The goal line stand was helped out immensely by Philip Rivers, who missed a wide open receiver in the back of the end zone as he back peddled backwards into pressure for no apparent reason and overthrew him off his back foot. 

 

 

It was nonsense the last time you printed, word for word, this same comment. 

 

Still nonsense.

 

In fact, that reciever was about a half a step open, and hadn't fully come across the field into his open space when the pressure reached Rivers. He had to work through the trash in the middle of the field. 

 

And Butler and Addison were both less than a step from Rivers when he let it go. Neither guy had gone wide, they both ran through their OL's outside shoulder. There wasn't room for Rivers to do much of anything else. 

 

It was a damn good play by the Bills defense, forcing Rivers back off his spot and making the play tougher than it would have been if they'd been able to protect Rivers better. Rivers had to throw it an instant before he wanted to, and that threw off the timing.

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