Democrats to unveil plan to pack SCOTUS because they're losers

[Backintheday544]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

The misinformation is saying that anyone doesn’t want people to vote. 
 

Just stop. “Poorly educated” has nothing to do with knowledge of the issues.  You’re coming across as some coastal elite. There is plenty enough idiocy to go around.  
 

 

I mean I am a coastal elite.

 

I don’t think there is misinformation saying Republicans don’t want people to vote. Aside from all the bills they have to do that, they’re also a minority party. Another poster laid the stats pretty well. Won the popular vote in a Presidential election once since Reagan. Barely wins the Senate. Younger people are continuing to move more liberal and sites like TikTok and YouTube are helping that.

 

But doesn’t poor education make it harder to make informed decisions? Doesn’t it make it easier to fall for lies like Obamacare has death panels?

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

I mean I am a coastal elite.

 

I don’t think there is misinformation saying Republicans don’t want people to vote. Aside from all the bills they have to do that, they’re also a minority party. Another poster laid the stats pretty well. Won the popular vote in a Presidential election once since Reagan. Barely wins the Senate. Younger people are continuing to move more liberal and sites like TikTok and YouTube are helping that.

 

But doesn’t poor education make it harder to make informed decisions? Doesn’t it make it easier to fall for lies like Obamacare has death panels?

Yeah. I can spot a coastal elite 3,000 miles away. 
 

Please point out where in the Bills where it says they don’t want people to vote?

 

Please define “poor education”. 

Edited April 16, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Doc Brown]

8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Agree.  Adding seat just to swing your majority Is a bad precedent.  

My guess (since it has no chance of passing) is it's a power play to pressure the SC justices to rule in a more liberal fashion than they otherwise may have because of that threat.  That includes things on maybe punting on issues like abortion, gun control, the ACA, etc...

[Governor]

6 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Yeah. I can spot a coastal elite 3,000 miles away. 
 

Please point out where in the Bills where it says they don’t want people to vote?

 

Please define “poor education”. 

The Carolinas have pretty poor education. My gf was a teacher there and just moved back to NJ. I was able to sit in on their virtual classes in both states. It’s night and day difference. Places like Florida, Missouri, the South, etc. Ya, it’s not good at all.
 

A lot of it has to do with parenting. I mean, take a look around. We have adults that believe wild conspiracy theories and can’t tell real news from fake. They don’t even teach Civics anymore. We have 3 generations now that really have no idea how anything works in this country.

 

Look at what our “elder” poster pastes here each day. Poor guy is all twisted around. He believes an election was “stolen” from him. He actually knows better. He’s just trying to trick young people and he’s addicted to polarizing fake news.

 

I was actually the last class to have “Civics” in elementary school. So, if you’re younger than 45, you were a victim of Reagan’s “dumbing down of America.” That happened in his term. Civics was merged with Social Studies and didn’t get very much attention.

 

You should look up “A Nation at Risk.”

Edited April 16, 2021 by The Governor

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, The Governor said:

The Carolinas have pretty poor education. My gf was a teacher there and just moved back to NJ. I was able to sit in on their virtual classes in both states. It’s night and day difference. Places like Florida, Missouri, the South, etc. Ya, it’s not good at all.
 

A lot of it has to do with parenting. I mean, take a look around. We have adults that believe wild conspiracy theories and can’t tell real news from fake. They don’t even teach Civics anymore. We have 3 generations now that really have no idea how anything works in this country.

 

Look at what our “elder” poster pastes here each day. Poor guy is all twisted around. He believes an election was “stolen” from him. He actually knows better. He’s just trying to trick young people and he’s addicted to polarizing fake news.

 

I was actually the last class to have “Civics” in elementary school. So, if you’re younger than 45, you were a victim of Reagan’s “dumbing down of America.” That happened in his term. Civics was merged with Social Studies and didn’t get very much attention.

 

You should look up “A Nation at Risk.”

So some of the blame lies with the school systems?   Who is more involved in the development of our school/university  curriculum?  
 

And again there is plenty of not being able to tell fake new from real news to go around. Who is more involved in our news system?  Most of our news outlets (left and right leaning) are pushing opinions/agendas not news.  To say this is a right issue is absurd.  

[Tenhigh]

I would love to find a news organization in this country that strives for accurate reporting without a partisan slant in either direction, and shuns editorialization.  Ironically the closest think I have found to date is the BBC.  

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I would love to find a news organization in this country that strives for accurate reporting without a partisan slant in either direction, and shuns editorialization.  Ironically the closest think I have found to date is the BBC.  

 

Nice Freudian Slip there.  

[Tenhigh]

21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Nice Freudian Slip there.  

Not really.  BBC news is the closest I think I've found to an unbiased news source for US news.  Do you have a better one?

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Not really.  BBC news is the closest I think I've found to an unbiased news source for US news.  Do you have a better one?

 

Sorry I guess you didn't get my joke.  

[B-Man]

                                 

[Doc]

Now the calls are starting to come for Breyer to retire.  This should be fun.

[Governor]

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

So some of the blame lies with the school systems?   Who is more involved in the development of our school/university  curriculum?  
 

And again there is plenty of not being able to tell fake new from real news to go around. Who is more involved in our news system?  Most of our news outlets (left and right leaning) are pushing opinions/agendas not news.  To say this is a right issue is absurd.  

I just told you who was responsible for it. It was probably before you were born.

3 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

I would love to find a news organization in this country that strives for accurate reporting without a partisan slant in either direction, and shuns editorialization.  Ironically the closest think I have found to date is the BBC.  

BBC is owned by Murdoch.

 

AP would be the best for straight news.

[Chef Jim]

20 minutes ago, The Governor said:

I just told you who was responsible for it. It was probably before you were born.

 

 

Yeah, probably before I was born.  

[Governor]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Yeah, probably before I was born.  

No Child Left Behind was a screw up also but in different ways. Why Bush thought Texas schools should be the model for the entire country I’ll never know. 
 

The damage was already done well before that tho. Reagan was the idiot that started the testing in the first place.

[Tenhigh]

20 minutes ago, The Governor said:

I just told you who was responsible for it. It was probably before you were born.

BBC is owned by Murdoch.

 

AP would be the best for straight news.

Murdoch's ownership doesn't mean that BBC reporters are as prone to editorializing as the US press, its a cultural difference imo. 

[Governor]

7 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Murdoch's ownership doesn't mean that BBC reporters are as prone to editorializing as the US press, its a cultural difference imo. 

It’s definitely better than Fox but it’s something to be aware of.

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, The Governor said:

It’s definitely better than Fox but it’s something to be aware of.

Oh go watch your wife work some more, will ya.

[Governor]

Just now, wnyguy said:

Oh go watch your wife work some more, will ya.

You forced her back to the classroom to get Covid! I don’t think she can bring me with her.

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, The Governor said:

You forced her back to the classroom to get Covid! I don’t think she can bring me with her.

Did she get the vaccine?

[Governor]

Just now, wnyguy said:

Did she get the vaccine?

Yeah, she got her second shot last week. I did also.

 

They had 6 new cases last week and her school is really tiny. Parents are still sending their sick kids to school. Like really people?

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, The Governor said:

Yeah, she got her second shot last week. I did also.

 

They had 6 new cases last week and her school is really tiny. Parents are still sending their sick kids to school. Like really people?

I'd blame that on Reagan too.

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

I'd blame that on Reagan too.

I’m actually a great example of Reagan’s policies gone bad.

 

From 6th grade on, I was an exceptional test taker. I rode that all the way through college. 
 

Now look at me.

[wnyguy]

2 minutes ago, The Governor said:

I’m actually a great example of Reagan’s policies gone bad.

 

From 6th grade on, I was an exceptional test taker. I rode that all the way through college. 
 

Now look at me.

LOL Funny is funny. Thumbs up.

[Governor]

5 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

I would love to find a news organization in this country that strives for accurate reporting without a partisan slant in either direction, and shuns editorialization.  Ironically the closest think I have found to date is the BBC.  

Are you talking about news on TV?

 

Washington Journal dude. It’s the only straight news left.

 

After you get the news, you get to listen to all of the mutants that call in. I highly recommend it.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 4/15/2021 at 12:41 PM, B-Man said:

 

Hahahahahaha.

 

 

Well apparently today's theatrics were just to try and pacify the extremists.

 

Pelosi Says She Has “No Plans” to Bring Nadler’s Bill to Expand Supreme Court by Four Seats to House Floor (VIDEO)

What she means is she doesn't have the votes to pass it.

 

 

 

Not buying it, unless they think it would give away their agenda and unravel their moderate support. 
 

there is no way the don’t  desperately want it. The flipping the courts would prevent some of their federalization initiatives...   

Edited April 16, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[B-Man]

16 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Not buying it, unless they think it would give away their agenda and unravel their moderate support. 
 

there is no way the don’t  desperately want it. The flipping the courts would prevent some of their federalization initiatives...   

 

 

I agree.

 

I think that my other post on Page #3 addresses some of this.

 

On 4/15/2021 at 12:01 PM, B-Man said:

Signs of Democrat desperation as legislators bypass Biden's commission and plan to introduce court-packing legislation today

By Thomas Lifson

 

 

Why have a group of congressional Democrats symbolically flipped the bird to "the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States" that President Biden created by executive order only six days ago?   Andrea Widburg has an excellent blog on these pages today on the announcement and its place in the broader plan of the Dems to alter the institutional framework of governance so as to ensure permanent Democrat majorities.

 

That group of purported "experts" appointed by Biden's executive order was stacked to likely yield a result congenial to expanding the Court so as to hand a rubber-stamp majority to the Dems, as Bloomberg reported:

 

The commission skews left, with progressives holding a 3:1 ratio to conservatives, according the Ilya Shapiro, of the libertarian Cato Institute think tank.

 

The panel also leans heavily on professors, with just a handful of members whose experience isn't primarily in legal or political academics. Moreover, approximately 80% are graduates or otherwise affiliated with just two schools — Harvard and Yale.

 

 

{snip}

 

 

So what's up?  Why not wait 180 days for the fig leaf presidential commission to bolster the flimsy case?

 

I can think of two possible reasons, which are not mutually exclusive.

 

One is the incredible narrowness of the Democrats' control of Congress.  The Senate is tied 50-50, so only Kamala Harris's tiebreaker vote as V.P. gives the Dems the ability to pass legislation — if the filibuster is not invoked or if it is repealed.  In the 435-member House, Nancy Pelosi can only lose two Democrat votes if she wants to pass legislation, so narrow is her majority.

 

The prospects of holding on to the support of all Democrat senators and House members 180 days from now (i.e., half a year closer to the 2022 election) are not good, considering the escalating crisis on the border, which is a matter of grave and ongoing concern across the country.  Add in the possibility of a military crisis overseas as Russia masses troops near Ukraine and China makes escalating threats against Taiwan and expansionist moves in the South China Sea.

 

So it might be that the Democrats jumping the gun see this particular moment as possibly their last chance to remove the Supreme Court as a check on their ability to govern tyrannically.

 

The second possibility relates to an already established pattern of Democrat legislative legerdemain: abuse of the budget reconciliation process to bypass the filibuster, which Senators Manchin and Sinema both swear they will protect.  

 

 

All in all, the Democrats seem desperate, as if they see their last chance to hold onto power possibly slipping from their grasp unless they change what amounts to the rules of the game right away, while they still have the narrowest possible majority and a senescent president still holding onto office.

 

Were it not for the fully propagandistic role of the major media supporting them, the public would already have turned against them with fury for the incompetence of Biden's first three months in office and the unleashing of racialist mobs.  With public approval of the media roughly at the level of used car salesmen, that media cofferdam will not hold against the public through November 2022.  It is now or never, I believe a growing number of Democrats believe.

 

They are going for broke.  It's our job to make sure they fail and do go broke, politically.

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/04/signs_of_dem_desperation_as_legislators_bypass_bidens_commission_and_plan_to_introduce_courtpacking_legislation_today.html

 

[B-Man]

 

Sorry Hank.........

 

 

 

 

[Doc]

If they try and jam 4 more liberal judges on the bench, the January 6th mostly peaceful demonstration will really turn into an insurrection.  And they won't be able to blame Trump this time.

[B-Man]

 

PACKING THE COURT, THEN AND NOW: 

 

FDR’s court-packing efforts didn’t fail.

 

https://www.discoursemagazine.com/politics/2021/04/21/packing-the-court-then-and-now/

 

He won by intimidating the sitting justices. But today’s Democrats are unlikely to have the same success.

 

That won’t stop them trying, though.

 

 

 

Related: Morning Consult: Opposition to court-packing near 2:1 … and growing. 

 

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/04/21/morning-consult-opposition-to-court-packing-near-21-and-growing-n384858

 

“The months-long campaign to pack the court has been an utter flop, even with the party base.

 

Democrats’ support for the idea doesn’t even get to a majority.”

 

 

But do Democrats care what voters want?

 

[Doc]

50 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

PACKING THE COURT, THEN AND NOW: 

 

FDR’s court-packing efforts didn’t fail.

 

https://www.discoursemagazine.com/politics/2021/04/21/packing-the-court-then-and-now/

 

He won by intimidating the sitting justices. But today’s Democrats are unlikely to have the same success.

 

That won’t stop them trying, though.

 

 

 

Related: Morning Consult: Opposition to court-packing near 2:1 … and growing. 

 

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/04/21/morning-consult-opposition-to-court-packing-near-21-and-growing-n384858

 

“The months-long campaign to pack the court has been an utter flop, even with the party base.

 

Democrats’ support for the idea doesn’t even get to a majority.”

 

 

But do Democrats care what voters want?

 

Manchin and Sinema do.  And just 1 of the 2 is all that's needed.

Edited April 21, 2021 by Doc

[BillStime]

Delusional... “You didn’t directly watch us piss into your beer.”

 

[Doc]

They should stop addressing it.  It's not happening.

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Senate Democrats bailing out of court packing?

 

 

Looks like some Senate Democrats can read the writing on the wall, even if their progressive activists cannot. Over the past few days, they’re getting a lot less enthusiastic about court-packing, to the point of avoiding the topic altogether as voters repeatedly tell pollsters they’re not interested in changing the number of Supreme Court justices. National Review’s John McCormack got a firm no from one of Arizona’s senators to the idea.

 

 

No, the other Arizona senator: Mark Kelly.

 

On Tuesday, a few other Senate Democrats sounded very reluctant to discuss the proposal, let alone support it, when McCormack first started asking:

 

“I’m not persuaded yet, but, you know, we’ll just have to see,” said Senator Tim Kaine (D., Va.). His fellow Virginian, Senator Mark Warner, said the Court-packing bill is “not where I’m headed.”

 

Senator Jon Ossoff (D., Ga.) said of Markey’s bill: “It’s not something I’m currently advocating for.”

 

“It’s not my issue for today,” said Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

 

“I’ll take a look at it, but it’s not something that I’ve been pushing for,” said Senator Gary Peters (D., Mich.) …

 

“I don’t support that,” New Hampshire senator Jeanne Shaheen said of Markey’s bill. Asked if any Supreme Court rulings could get her to support it, Shaheen replied: “I can’t speculate on that.”

 

Why so shy? Polling shows that Americans don’t want an attack on the institution of the judiciary, not even after months of campaigning on that idea.

 

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/04/22/senate-dems-bailing-out-of-court-packing-n385160

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Failing the "packing" Leftists will now try to pressure Breyer into retiring.

 

I guess all that RBG worship wasn't really a good idea.

 

 

 

I assume the other 25% said........who?

[B-Man]

 

 

Haahahahahahahahaha.

 

Adding 6 more justices is not "really" court packing.

 

 

 

 

I imagine your "opinion" would change if the GOP proposed it.

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/06/01/is-the-supreme-court-sending-the-democrats-a-message-about-court-packing-n1451203

 

 

 

HMM: Is the Supreme Court Sending the Democrats a Message About Court-Packing?

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Democrats' court-packing threats may be backfiring

by Thomas Lifson

 

Jonathan Turley, one of the last honest and principled liberals in the public arena, suggests that the Democrats' threats to bully the justices are backfiring and that the Court is sending strong warning signals to them. In a post to his own website yesterday, the George Washington University law professor wrote: Chief Justice John Roberts and his colleagues seem to be sending a message that the Court is not so rigidly ideological as Democratic members and activists suggest. He believes that a series of unanimous court decisions as the current term ends "seem[s] to be sending a message that the Court is not so rigidly

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/dems_courtpacking_threats_may_be_backfiring.html

[reddogblitz]

On 4/19/2021 at 11:07 AM, Doc said:

If they try and jam 4 more liberal judges on the bench, the January 6th mostly peaceful demonstration will really turn into an insurrection.  And they won't be able to blame Trump this time.

 

Yeah they can.