Joe Ferguson forever Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Picking a side? The article you cited said turkey’s government said ‘these tweet are illegal, take them down or we take the whole site down.’ He said alright for now but I’ll see you in court. would should he have done? hmmmm, let me think...from the BBC article I linked, quoting Wiki CEO: But Mr Wales said Twitter should have stood its ground. "We have been blocked in various places around the world at different times, we have never given in to censorship and we never will," he told me on the BBC's tech podcast Tech Life. "If governments around the world believe that in order to get political advantage they can control what their political opponents are saying online or prevent them from speaking online, then they will try that." He said Twitter's actions would put pressure on other websites to comply with future demands. "I think people in the industry should really stand up and vigorously say no - actually an open internet, a free internet, the free sharing of ideas and knowledge is really crucially important," he added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: hmmmm, let me think...from the BBC article I linked, quoting Wiki CEO: But Mr Wales said Twitter should have stood its ground. "We have been blocked in various places around the world at different times, we have never given in to censorship and we never will," he told me on the BBC's tech podcast Tech Life. "If governments around the world believe that in order to get political advantage they can control what their political opponents are saying online or prevent them from speaking online, then they will try that." He said Twitter's actions would put pressure on other websites to comply with future demands. "I think people in the industry should really stand up and vigorously say no - actually an open internet, a free internet, the free sharing of ideas and knowledge is really crucially important," he added. I saw the commentary on what the guy who isn’t ceo for Twitter said Twitter should do. I don’t have a strong opinion because I recognize Musk has been an overarching force for good in the world(I say that as I compete directly against him in a space he’s made a lot harder to compete in) but you think the best decision was be blocked completely as opposed to comply in interim and challenge in court? The right choice and why isn’t obvious to me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) On 5/17/2023 at 11:57 PM, BillsFanNC said: TDS on full display here. @redtail hawk is suffering badly. Serious symptoms. And doing it while on vacation. Edited May 19, 2023 by Wacka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 He doesn't even use one of our aircraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 He could have used a Mig, and Youngkin would still be infinitely more capable than Biden. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 21 hours ago, Wacka said: And doing it while on vacation. Still on vacation. Actually, always on vacation. Plenty of free time. Why does that concern you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reddogblitz Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 On 5/19/2023 at 10:56 AM, Wacka said: And doing it while on vacation. Even taking away time from pro creating to do it. That's dedication. 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: He doesn't even use one of our aircraft! Ah, it doesn't look Italian to me. Looks more like The Ghost of Kyiv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/05/19/biden-says-he-killed-a-senior-al-qaeda-operative-it-turns-out-he-may-have-been-a-poor-farmer/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Yeah, there's no connection between Trump and Russia. Why did Republicans become Communists? Russia has expanded its list of sanctioned Americans in a tit-for-tat retaliation for the latest curbs imposed by the United States. But what is particularly striking is how much President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is adopting perceived enemies of former President Donald J. Trump as his own. Among the 500 people singled out for travel and financial restrictions on Friday were Americans seen as adversaries by Mr. Trump, including Letitia James, the state attorney general of New York who has investigated and sued him. Brad Raffensperger, the secretary of state of Georgia who rebuffed Mr. Trump’s pressure to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election, also made the list. And Lt. Michael Byrd, the Capitol Police officer who shot the pro-Trump rioter Ashli Babbitt on Jan. 6, 2021, was another notable name. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Kemp said: Yeah, there's no connection between Trump and Russia. Why did Republicans become Communists? Russia has expanded its list of sanctioned Americans in a tit-for-tat retaliation for the latest curbs imposed by the United States. But what is particularly striking is how much President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is adopting perceived enemies of former President Donald J. Trump as his own. Among the 500 people singled out for travel and financial restrictions on Friday were Americans seen as adversaries by Mr. Trump, including Letitia James, the state attorney general of New York who has investigated and sued him. Brad Raffensperger, the secretary of state of Georgia who rebuffed Mr. Trump’s pressure to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election, also made the list. And Lt. Michael Byrd, the Capitol Police officer who shot the pro-Trump rioter Ashli Babbitt on Jan. 6, 2021, was another notable name. Anyone know where the full list is. 500 people and if you search google, you just get the same 5-7 names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 On 5/20/2023 at 3:35 PM, Tiberius said: One of the amazing things about rock stars aging is how they used to rage against the machine in their youth, and run full-throated to become part of it as they become insanely wealthy later in life. I was at a Springsteen show at the Meadowlands in 1985 when Bruce declared “…blind faith in your leaders can get you killed…”. He was right, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: One of the amazing things about rock stars aging is how they used to rage against the machine in their youth, and run full-throated to become part of it as they become insanely wealthy later in life. I was at a Springsteen show at the Meadowlands in 1985 when Bruce declared “…blind faith in your leaders can get you killed…”. He was right, of course. Yup, that's why we have free and fair elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: One of the amazing things about rock stars aging is how they used to rage against the machine in their youth, and run full-throated to become part of it as they become insanely wealthy later in life. I was at a Springsteen show at the Meadowlands in 1985 when Bruce declared “…blind faith in your leaders can get you killed…”. He was right, of course. Tom Morello is right near the top of that list, and epic ironic as his band was called "rage against the machine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Yup, that's why we have free and fair elections. I think a guy like Miami Steve is a believer in free and fair as long as his guy wins, not so much when he doesn’t. In that regard, he’s like many myopic souls in our country, influenced and manipulated by his own bias. Or, maybe he didn’t believe all that stuff back in the day to begin with. 54 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Tom Morello is right near the top of that list, and epic ironic as his band was called "rage against the machine." It’s hard to figure out where his rage ended and he was co-opted to become part of the machine. I was reading another post about Dave Matthews recently. He was opining about guns and gun control, mentioned climate change as well. I read about his green initiatives—heavy emphasis on recycling, buying locally sourced goods and buying offsets. It occurred to me the best action he could take in his climate activism would be to stop touring. In spite of his efforts to lessen his impact, his carbon footprint is a massive cluster&$@$. He’s enormously wealthy, what’s the point when the future of the planet is in peril? Regardless, he pushes on. People are complicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think a guy like Miami Steve is a believer in free and fair as long as his guy wins, not so much when he doesn’t. In that regard, he’s like many myopic souls in our country, influenced and manipulated by his own bias. Or, maybe he didn’t believe all that stuff back in the day to begin with. No, that's what YOUR side thinks, We abide by election results. MAGA does not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 On 5/21/2023 at 7:44 AM, Unforgiven said: https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/05/19/biden-says-he-killed-a-senior-al-qaeda-operative-it-turns-out-he-may-have-been-a-poor-farmer/ Breaking news on MSM… Using 'he/him,' 'she/her' in emails got 2 dorm directors fired at small New York Christian college (from @AP) https://apnews.com/article/03bdb3f62a95ac2921c31202d6520ae4 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, that's what YOUR side thinks, We abide by election results. MAGA does not. It’s been a pattern the last several elections now… the last was just the worst 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Breaking news on MSM… Using 'he/him,' 'she/her' in emails got 2 dorm directors fired at small New York Christian college (from @AP) https://apnews.com/article/03bdb3f62a95ac2921c31202d6520ae4 It’s been a pattern the last several elections now… the last was just the worst Yes, even the leader of the Republican party says he will only accept elections he wins. Dems are not like that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: No, that's what YOUR side thinks, We abide by election results. MAGA does not. You should move past “sides”, Miami Tibs, it binds you to your limitations. The facts are clear, history shows us what took place up to and beyond 2016. There was no acceptance of election results, widespread support to question the results of a free and fair elections, and more than a few instances of using the weight and power of the govt to spread propaganda to achieve a goal. You and SVZ just liked that version of election interference. It’s exactly what Bruce meant back when he hadn’t realized that he was on his way to becoming Springsteen Inc and the substantial impact of having the right friends and right people in place meant for a mega-fortune. Btw, can we at least agree a 75 year old rocker wearing a perpetual babushka is sorta weird? I really wonder if he’s cooked his brain over the past few decades. @Chris farley Ironically just listened to Dave Matthews on Sirius speaking of gun violence and greed often seems to drive the results of our discourse. I don’t disagree with him here, but had to chuckle at how abjectly tone deaf people can be. DMB polluting Mother Earth for profit apparently is only greed-ish, or greed*. Edited May 22, 2023 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 50 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yes, even the leader of the Republican party says he will only accept elections he wins. Dems are not like that Did you conveniently forget that actual Democratic congressional representatives boycotted Trump’s inauguration? If that isn’t rejecting the results of elections I have no idea what planet we’re living on. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 41 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Did you conveniently forget that actual Democratic congressional representatives boycotted Trump’s inauguration? If that isn’t rejecting the results of elections I have no idea what planet we’re living on. Boycott? So what. I mean, that's all you got? A friggin boycott! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Boycott? So what. I mean, that's all you got? A friggin boycott! YOU said that Democrats respect the results of elections….not me. Your definition of respect is obviously way different from mine. And, there’s literally no comparison between a bunch of Trump supporting nitwits and actual sitting members of Congress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: YOU said that Democrats respect the results of elections….not me. Your definition of respect is obviously way different from mine. And, there’s literally no comparison between a bunch of Trump supporting nitwits and actual sitting members of Congress. Tibs, and many others here and out and about in the world, lacks intellectual honesty. One of the more notable lightweights who reappeared when the wall be started closing is a prime example of lying to himself about what’s really happening in the political realm. There are those that manipulate, and those willing to be manipulated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: YOU said that Democrats respect the results of elections….not me. Your definition of respect is obviously way different from mine. And, there’s literally no comparison between a bunch of Trump supporting nitwits and actual sitting members of Congress. Boycotting is nothing like sending a mob to attack the legislature, ridiculous 10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Tibs, and many others here and out and about in the world, lacks intellectual honesty. One of the more notable lightweights who reappeared when the wall be started closing is a prime example of lying to himself about what’s really happening in the political realm. There are those that manipulate, and those willing to be manipulated. Projection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Did someone say riot? https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html The Lafayette Square protesters were anything but peaceful | Washington Examiner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think a guy like Miami Steve is a believer in free and fair as long as his guy wins, not so much when he doesn’t. In that regard, he’s like many myopic souls in our country, influenced and manipulated by his own bias. Or, maybe he didn’t believe all that stuff back in the day to begin with. It’s hard to figure out where his rage ended and he was co-opted to become part of the machine. I was reading another post about Dave Matthews recently. He was opining about guns and gun control, mentioned climate change as well. I read about his green initiatives—heavy emphasis on recycling, buying locally sourced goods and buying offsets. It occurred to me the best action he could take in his climate activism would be to stop touring. In spite of his efforts to lessen his impact, his carbon footprint is a massive cluster&$@$. He’s enormously wealthy, what’s the point when the future of the planet is in peril? Regardless, he pushes on. People are complicated. Carbon footprint notwithstanding, he lives in this area and is a great community member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, sherpa said: Carbon footprint notwithstanding, he lives in this area and is a great community member. I don't doubt it. My kids and I have bonded through music all throughout their lives (going to see Bruce and Steve with my son and his wife later this year), and I listen to DMB regularly. Seems like a decent enough guy. I don't disagree on some of the gun violence issues he talks about--I'm not a gun owner and really don't claim to have the answers. I do think he's a bit naive when he says "...no one is after your guns...". There's always someone after the guns, and it cheapens the argument for lawful gun owners to suggest otherwise. DMB can be a very good dude generally and still have blind spots. I have my own, but when someone is held up as some voice of reason (SVZ for example, DMB on the other issue), it is part of the dialogue. Funny the way it is, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Chris farley said: Anyone know where the full list is. 500 people and if you search google, you just get the same 5-7 names. You don't know how to use Google? Guess I shouldn't be surprised. https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1871495/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kemp said: You don't know how to use Google? Guess I shouldn't be surprised. https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1871495/ Its understandable why every American news organization just ran with a few names. Most of the names on that list are NGO's and Think tanks with war hawks. Things like Carnegie endowment Brookings institute The company "schernier" is on the list a lot Eurasia program Center for a new American security RAND corp Most heads of Military industrial companies. open society foundation In-Q-Tel Corporation Atlantic council Agency for International Development Freedom house and it keeps going. And I googled, but didn't go to Russian documents and translate like you found. Edited May 22, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Boycotting is nothing like sending a mob to attack the legislature, ridiculous YOU said that Democrats respect elections. But when I point how they absolutely do not, your response is that they respect them “less less” than Republicans? Okie Dokie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris farley said: Its understandable why every American news organization just ran with a few names. Most of the names on that list are NGO's and Think tanks with war hawks. Things like Carnegie endowment Brookings institute The company "schernier" is on the list a lot Eurasia program Center for a new American security RAND corp Most heads of Military industrial companies. open society foundation In-Q-Tel Corporation Atlantic council Agency for International Development Freedom house and it keeps going. And I googled, but didn't go to Russian documents and translate like you found. Funny how no Trump supporters are mentioned specifically. Only people who don't like Trump. Must just be a coincidence. Another in a long list of them that always seem to link Trump to Putin/Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: YOU said that Democrats respect elections. But when I point how they absolutely do not, your response is that they respect them “less less” than Republicans? Okie Dokie And they do, you evidence that they don't is lame and proves nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kemp said: Funny how no Trump supporters are mentioned specifically. Only people who don't like Trump. Must just be a coincidence. Another in a long list of them that always seem to link Trump to Putin/Russia. So anti war is anti trump. Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 NAACP issues a travel warning for black people going to Florida and now Roy Cooper issues a state of emergency over the Republican Legislature overriding him on school choice… Dems acting panicked af right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris farley said: So anti war is anti trump. Gotcha Letitia James is anti-war? Jack Smith is anti-war? That's why they're sanctioned by Putin? I don't even understand what you're trying to communicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: And they do, you evidence that they don't is lame and proves nothing Come on man. I the 20th century there have been 6 presidential elections. There was massive calls of cheating in 3 of them. Bush/Gore 2000 to start it off. Do you think that one was on the up And up? Democrats cried to high heavens that Bush stole that one. In 2016 Democrats again cried to high heavens even accusing Russia of hacking voting machines. How could Hillary possibly lose to President Trump. Do you think that one was on the up and up? I seem to recall a big parades across the country a few days after the inauguration protesting the whole deal. Not my president! Respect elections anyone? Then 2020 when the Republicans cried to high heaven too after a tough loss. I'm seeing a pattern developing here. In modern day presidential election the side that loses says they were cheated. Doesn't even matter which side. Buckle up for another one next year. If the Democrat nominee doesn't win can we count on you to to respect and uphold the integrity of the election? 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Come on man. I the 20th century there have been 6 presidential elections. There was massive calls of cheating in 3 of them. Bush/Gore 2000 to start it off. Do you think that one was on the up And up? Democrats cried to high heavens that Bush stole that one. In 2016 Democrats again cried to high heavens even accusing Russia of hacking voting machines. How could Hillary possibly lose to President Trump. Do you think that one was on the up and up? I seem to recall a big parades across the country a few days after the inauguration protesting the whole deal. Not my president! Respect elections anyone? Then 2020 when the Republicans cried to high heaven too after a tough loss. I'm seeing a pattern developing here. In modern day presidential election the side that loses says they were cheated. Doesn't even matter which side. Buckle up for another one next year. If the Democrat nominee doesn't win can we count on you to to respect and uphold the integrity of the election? Apples and oranges. I do not recall the Dems violently trying to attack the capital to stop the certification of an election. Al Gore certified Bush's election. He lost with grace in a much closer election than cry baby Trump did. No, you guys got nothin except the defense of a failed coup leader The Republicans that stood by and declared Biden the winner were acting like the Democrats do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Come on man. I the 20th century there have been 6 presidential elections. There was massive calls of cheating in 3 of them. Bush/Gore 2000 to start it off. Do you think that one was on the up And up? Democrats cried to high heavens that Bush stole that one. In 2016 Democrats again cried to high heavens even accusing Russia of hacking voting machines. How could Hillary possibly lose to President Trump. Do you think that one was on the up and up? I seem to recall a big parades across the country a few days after the inauguration protesting the whole deal. Not my president! Respect elections anyone? Then 2020 when the Republicans cried to high heaven too after a tough loss. I'm seeing a pattern developing here. In modern day presidential election the side that loses says they were cheated. Doesn't even matter which side. Buckle up for another one next year. If the Democrat nominee doesn't win can we count on you to to respect and uphold the integrity of the election? Yes, of course. And Sens Warren and Klobuchar, among others, raised serious concern about the security of our election a year or so before the 2020 race. Thereafter, they transitioned from concern about the security of our national elections to outraged anyone would be concerned about the security of our national elections. 2016 was McCarthyism part deux. Hit the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of those who duped by the original Red Scare with a modern version, add in a Special Counsel with virtually unlimited power and break the presidency. It’s what’s done. It’s a shame, but it works, so expect more of it. Edited May 23, 2023 by leh-nerd skin-erd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 https://twitter.com/SmileItsNathan/status/1660863633285423105?s=20 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Another connection between Nazis and hatred of current government in America. Man who crashed U-Haul truck near White House had Nazi flag in vehicle https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/05/23/white-house-uhaul-truck-crash/ Must be another coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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