TSW Mock Draft 1.0 - Complete

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

why please no?  

Ed plays the same position Levi would play imo.  Levi is stout, but I don’t think he’s stout enough to anchor the 1T.  I think his best fit might actually be as a 3-4 DE.  I think there are much better fits for our D at the 1T found in rd 2-3 (shelvin, Wilson among others) or even later (slaton, Brown).

 

I’d be super pissed if we picked Levi @ 30.  McCargo type furious 

 

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Percy Harvin had something special? Really? I must have missed that day. One of the most overrated players I have ever seen in the NFL. How many 1,000 yard receiving seasons did he have? It is a very round number. 

 

Rondale Moore does have talent, and he does have speed.... but he has also played 7 games over the last two years. Whether he is even capable of being the guy he was as a freshman at this point is a question mark. 

He 100% was special he just never reached his full potential with all the injuries and migraines. Watch any game in college or early in his NFL career and you’ll remember how good he was.

 

Basham seems like the most upside of all the DEs in our range and he’s good against the run. I won’t be surprised if he gets drafted higher than we think 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’d make a bet that if both have healthy careers Moore has the more successful one over Toney. Kid has something special kind of like a Percy Harvin or Tyreke Hill lite

I don’t see that at all. I see the lower body strength comparisons but I don’t he that same kind of juice in his game

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

He 100% was special he just never reached his full potential with all the injuries and migraines. Watch any game in college or early in his NFL career and you’ll remember how good he was.

 

Basham seems like the most upside of all the DEs in our range and he’s good against the run. I won’t be surprised if he gets drafted higher than we think 

I loved Harvins juice when he was healthy.  He had a nice gear that I enjoyed watching.

[NeverOutNick]

He played for inept Purdue and in most big ten games was the most electrifying player on the field. I agree his health is a concern but no question about his talent. Kid is going to amazing in the NFL barring injury

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

He 100% was special he just never reached his full potential with all the injuries and migraines. Watch any game in college or early in his NFL career and you’ll remember how good he was.

 

Basham seems like the most upside of all the DEs in our range and he’s good against the run. I won’t be surprised if he gets drafted higher than we think 

 

I disagree strongly on both Harvin and Basham. 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I don’t see that at all. I see the lower body strength comparisons but I don’t he that same kind of juice in his game

I keep hearing about one prospect keep getting compared to Tyreek.  But, after Godwin, Graham and others, chasing speed clearly doesn’t always translate. Look at Hollywood Brown 

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree strongly on both Harvin and Basham. 

It’s all good I know what I see. A couple years from now we’ll look back and reflect on who was right I guess

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

I keep hearing about one prospect keep getting compared to Tyreek.  But, after Godwin, Graham and others, chasing speed clearly doesn’t always translate. Look at Hollywood Brown 

Yeah...comparing anyone to Hill is too extreme as there isn’t a player like him imo. Short, stocky and fast.  But not as fast. Not as agile. Not as explosive.  Different players. 

[Pete]

RB if it were me

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I keep hearing about one prospect keep getting compared to Tyreek.  But, after Godwin, Graham and others, chasing speed clearly doesn’t always translate. Look at Hollywood Brown 

Moore has that second gear like Tyreke and is electric in space. Hollywood isn’t what we thought he’d be but a lot of that is the offense he’s in and how he’s used

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

It’s all good I know what I see. A couple years from now we’ll look back and reflect on who was right I guess

 

On Basham, sure. On Harvin that result is already in. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

It’s all good I know what I see. A couple years from now we’ll look back and reflect on who was right I guess

Disagree about Basham and Moore too.  
 

I see Shaq Lawson 2.0 in Basham.  Not a bad player, but not the pass rusher we SORELY need.  he’s a power DE that might not be powerful enough vs the NFL tackles.  I don’t see him as a good pats rusher 

 

Moore is always broken and don’t explode off the screen to me like he does to you. 

I did love watching Harvin though!! 😃

 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, NewEra said:

Disagree about Basham and Moore too.  
 

I see Shaq Lawson 2.0 in Basham.  Not a bad player, but not the pass rusher we SORELY need.  he’s a power DE that might not be powerful enough vs the NFL tackles.  I don’t see him as a good pats rusher 

 

Moore is always broken and don’t explode off the screen to me like he does to you. 

I did love watching Harvin though!! 😃

 

Basham has just as many sacks as Oweh and Phillips combined.

[NeverOutNick]

 

 

Moore will probably be better

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

JOK would be my pick in a no trade down situation.  BPA and is so versatile.  Might be a strange fit but we’d have to get creative and switch things up.....which is exactly what we need on D

 

Toney and Phillips would be a coin toss for next best pick Imo

 

 

Has Toney run a 40 yet?

 

All I can find is his recruiting 40 which was a laughable 4.69.  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Has Toney run a 40 yet?

 

All I can find is his recruiting 40 which was a laughable 4.69.  

 

I don't think so, and I agree it is big for him. He does "look fast" on the field but if he clocks in slow that is the end of his 1st round buzz. 

[NeverOutNick]

The thing that differs from Moore and Harvin is that Moore is a fighter. Dude gets hit a lot and keeps going

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Moore will probably be better

 

Better than Harvin? I mean one would hope so. Stevie Johnson was better than Percy Harvin. It isn't a high bar. 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Basham has just as many sacks as Oweh and Phillips combined.

And Addison has more sacks than jerry Hughes.  So?

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Better than Harvin? I mean one would hope so. Stevie Johnson was better than Percy Harvin. It isn't a high bar. 

I mean honestly I don’t think we need to go WR early but if we did he’s the guy I’d want. He’s going to be special if he stays healthy. The Harvin comparison is a low bar I guess but it’s the comparison that came to mind when watching both play in college. 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Has Toney run a 40 yet?

 

All I can find is his recruiting 40 which was a laughable 4.69.  

Not yet from what I’ve seen

[Victory Formation]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Better than Harvin? I mean one would hope so. Stevie Johnson was better than Percy Harvin. It isn't a high bar. 

Percy would of been great if not for the concussions/migraines.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Percy would of been great if not for the concussions/migraines.

 

And the drops, and the misran routes.... he had elite speed. His production was because he lacked lots of other things you need. 

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

And Addison has more sacks than jerry Hughes.  So?

It matters. Boogie was on pace for back to back 10 sack seasons. Did Oweh even have a sack last year? Phillips may be solid.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think so, and I agree it is big for him. He does "look fast" on the field but if he clocks in slow that is the end of his 1st round buzz. 

Yeah, he def looks more quick and explosive than he is fast.  He also runs with some nice power.

 

I just like that, athletically, he brings something to the table that I haven’t really seen in the nfl other than Hill.  Albeit, toney isn’t as fast as hill, his make you miss potential is right there with him.  Get him the ball space and he can be special. 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

And the drops, and the misran routes.... he had elite speed. His production was because he lacked lots of other things you need. 

Nahhh.. Percy was borderline elite before his bell got rung too many times. A healthy Percy Harvin was deadly. He’s the Shawn Merriman of WRs. Would of had a great career if not for the injuries.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Nahhh.. Percy was borderline elite before his bell got rung too many times. A healthy Percy Harvin was deadly. He’s the Shawn Merriman of WRs. Would of had a great career if not for the injuries.

 

One of the most overrated players I have ever seen in the NFL. He had elite speed and literally 1 good season. If people want to tell that is the rule and all the other seasons were the exception, fine. But it is stretching reality. I will leave it there for fear of derailing the thread yet further haha. 

[NeverOutNick]

Watch that Moore highlight video I posted to get a small taste. Then watch your boy Toney. Lastly, remember the offenses these guys played for and who their supporting cast was and tell me whose the better prospect (outside of injury because I do understand that part is a knock against Moore)

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

It matters. Boogie was on pace for back to back 10 sack seasons. Did Oweh even have a sack last year? Phillips may be solid.

No offense, but talk to someone else about comparing college stats. I really couldn’t care less about them.  
 

I’m not advocating drafting Oweh.  Phillips,  I really like....but the concussions really worry me.  
 

basham had over 25% of his career sacks in 2 games, while playing in 40.

 

like I said, I just don’t see him as twitchy enough. His bread in butter getting to the QB in college was power and not giving up. Power rushers scare me.  He’s just not what I’m looking for at 30.  If he’s there in rd 2 and he’s the pick, so be it.  If he’s the pick @30, I’ll think Shaq and eric flowers 

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

One of the most overrated players I have ever seen in the NFL. He had elite speed and literally 1 good season. If people want to tell that is the rule and all the other seasons were the exception, fine. But it is stretching reality. I will leave it there for fear of derailing the thread yet further haha. 

But he was fun to watch! 

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Watch that Moore highlight video I posted to get a small taste. Then watch your boy Toney. Lastly, remember the offenses these guys played for and who their supporting cast was and tell me whose the better prospect (outside of injury because I do understand that part is a knock against Moore)

Watched.  Watched several tapes.  I see something different

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Watched several tapes.  I see something different

That’s fine. Guess it’ll just be a friendly bet in a couple years for bragging rights on who was right between Toney and Moore. I’ll ride Moore but man I hope he doesn’t go to the ravens lol

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

No offense, but talk to someone else about comparing college stats. I really couldn’t care less about them.  
 

I’m not advocating drafting Oweh.  Phillips,  I really like....but the concussions really worry me.  
 

basham had over 25% of his career sacks in 2 games, while playing in 40.

 

like I said, I just don’t see him as twitchy enough. His bread in butter getting to the QB in college was power and not giving up. Power rushers scare me.  He’s just not what I’m looking for at 30.  If he’s there in rd 2 and he’s the pick, so be it.  If he’s the pick @30, I’ll think Shaq and eric flowers 

Phillips may be solid, but Oweh is a bust waiting to happen. I understand he ran a 4.36 but to me he is a Maybin clone. Not one sack last year, that is terrifying to me. Typically sacks do indicate if an EDGE will bear fruit or not, it is a solid indicator for what they’ll do. Boogie did well in the Senior Bowl too.

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

That’s fine. Guess it’ll just be a friendly bet in a couple years for bragging rights on who was right between Toney and Moore. I’ll ride Moore but man I hope he doesn’t go to the ravens lol

Dude, people killed me cause I wanted Allen over Rosen. Some of these folks had very strong opinions and wouldn’t back off me even a tiny little. We’ll see. I hope someone brings up Boogie in a year or two years.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, he def looks more quick and explosive than he is fast.  He also runs with some nice power.

 

I just like that, athletically, he brings something to the table that I haven’t really seen in the nfl other than Hill.  Albeit, toney isn’t as fast as hill, his make you miss potential is right there with him.  Get him the ball space and he can be special. 

 

 

I think we are seeing that elusiveness with the ball in hand....but without real speed......doesn't yield the returns it did 10 years ago even.   

 

Back 7's are just too fast now.   

 

Real speed has emerged as a bigger factor........and real speed doesn't start until you get under that 4.4 mark now.

 

 

 

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Dude, people killed me cause I wanted Allen over Rosen. Some of these folks had very strong opinions and wouldn’t back off me even a tiny little. We’ll see. I hope someone brings up Boogie in a year or two years.

I hear you brother and I actually do like boogie a lot but I’m not always the best at scouting pass rushers but I do know my skill positions

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:Dude, people killed me cause I wanted Allen over Rosen. Some of these folks had very strong opinions and wouldn’t back off me even a tiny little. We’ll see. I hope someone brings up Boogie in a year or two years.

Ha, and how dumb do you look now?  
 

Josh Allen, you’re an idiot 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Phillips may be solid, but Oweh is a bust waiting to happen. I understand he ran a 4.36 but to me he is a Maybin clone. Not one sack last year, that is terrifying to me. Typically sacks do indicate if an EDGE will bear fruit or not, it is a solid indicator for what they’ll do. Boogie did well in the Senior Bowl too.

Dude, people killed me cause I wanted Allen over Rosen. Some of these folks had very strong opinions and wouldn’t back off me even a tiny little. We’ll see. I hope someone brings up Boogie in a year or two years.

Maybin played DE @220lbs in college.

 

I see the raw athlete comparisons, but Oweh is a MUCH more developed specimen than Maybin was.  Oweh is explosive @250+ Coming out of college while Maybin had to put on 30lbs to get there.

 

but again, I don’t think oweh should be the pick, so I’m not arguing in favor of him.  I really hope we don’t take Oweh or Basham.  Basham is clearly the safer pick, but oweh is the higher upside pass rusher. 
 

 

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think we are seeing that elusiveness with the ball in hand....but without real speed......doesn't yield the returns it did 10 years ago even.   

 

Back 7's are just too fast now.   

 

Real speed has emerged as a bigger factor........and real speed doesn't start until you get under that 4.4 mark now.

 

 

 

I agree. 
 

if he runs 4.5+ I’d have my reservations.  
 

looking back, there really weren’t many true impact “gadget type” offensive weapons.  I suppose the role I’d see him in is that of Az-Zahir- Hakim.  Not a 1 or 2 receiving option, but a piece that teams would have to account for as he has the skill set to make a D pay.  Possibly the cherry on top of an already great O.  Possibly the enough of an impact to put us over the top 
 

But if he runs 4.5+, he may not have the ability to make teams pay like our offense needs.  

[RyanC883]

i appreciate that insight.  I have just read he is a freak athlete and good against the run. I agree there are 1T’s available later. 

2 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

It matters. Boogie was on pace for back to back 10 sack seasons. Did Oweh even have a sack last year? Phillips may be solid.

 

your man crush on Boogie is enjoyable.  But I agree.  I’d take Boogie over Oweh.  I’d like Boogie in the 2nd.  

[stinky finger]

2 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

That’s fine. Guess it’ll just be a friendly bet in a couple years for bragging rights on who was right between Toney and Moore. I’ll ride Moore but man I hope he doesn’t go to the ravens lol

 

If he goes to the Ravens, we'll never know how could he could be. 

[CNYfan]

I think I favor JOK

[whatdrought]

The poll is close. What time are you making the call @Virgil