H.R. 1 And The Fight For Voting Rights -- We The People!

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

27 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Attorney Matthew DePerno Releases Michigan Elections Forensics Report – 66,194 Unregistered Ballots Tallied in JUST 9 Counties

by Jim Hoft

 

Michigan Constitutional Attorney Matthew Deperno released his much anticipated Michigan Elections Forensics Report on Friday. Among the findings: Modem Chipsets Installed In Voting System Motherboards 66,194 unregistered ballots tallied in just 9 counties. 

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/huge-news-attorney-matthew-deperno-releases-michigan-elections-forensics-report-66194-unregistered-ballots-tallied-just-9-counties/

Impossible.  No way.  Can’t happen.  User error.  Harmless oversight. Voter suppression.  Incidental.  Republicans. MOST SECURE ELECTION EVAH!  

 

 

[Buffarukus]

On 4/9/2021 at 11:47 PM, Doc Brown said:

Same as it ever was.  Democratic politicians will always try to convince their constituents that the GOP is racist for trying to suppress your vote with stricter voting laws.  Republican politicians will always try to convince their constituents that strict voting laws are needed to prevent fraud.  They're intelligent enough to know that both racism and fraud charges are complete bs.  They'll continue to push that narrative though to gain and/or maintain power.

 

My only problem with the bill is it never would've been written if Trump won Georgia.

 

 do some of the "restrictions" have nothing to do with fraud or trump but a natural pullback from concessions made to promote voting during a pandemic?

 

serious question as i don't know Georgia laws before or after in regard to covid.

 

as for another element that goes beyond trump. you have a historic amount of illegals crossing into the US, a president who seems to have encouraged and promoted this crisis and states that have openly stated they disregard US law to provide "sanctuary".

 

these are real factors that would lead a public to want tighter election security for ALL states by americans. 

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by Buffarukus

[Chef Jim]

36 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’re onto something here.  In spite of hundred of years of evidence that people are moved to carry themselves based on their own experiences, it’s easy to rile up the masses by segmenting into skin color, gender etc.  Even well-intentioned people fall for it, so those running the game can’t really lose.  
 

 

It’s actually pandering of the highest order, and reveals how emotions can trump intellect and reason virtually every time. 

 

What it boils down to is that we, in this country, have it so easy we have to create imaginary problems just so those SJW can feel good about themselves.  Those poor people need our help!  Don't get me wrong there are plenty of people that need help and I will gladly help them with my tax dollars but creating imaginary problems to me appears as almost a psychological disorder.  

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Buffarukus said:

 

 do some of the "restrictions" have nothing to do with fraud or trump but a natural pullback from concessions made to promote voting during a pandemic?

 

serious question as i don't know Georgia laws before or after in regard to covid.

 

as for another element that goes beyond trump. you have a historic amount of illegals crossing into the US, a president who seems to have encouraged and promoted this crisis and states that have openly stated they disregard US law to provide "sanctuary".

 

these are real factors that would lead a public to want tighter election security for ALL states by americans. 

 

No.  It's Trump.  He lives inside all political operatives heads and the Georgia GOP is rewarding bad behavior.  The bill has everything to do with Trump saying the results in Georgia were rigged in various ways (my favorite through one of his lawyers saying that communists throughout the world rigged the voting machines through an algorithm).  The immense push back has everything to do with Trump refusing to accept the results.  I think it would be naive to think otherwise as the GOP was put under a microscope after the election.  As far as the bill itself, I don't like that they took away the drop boxes (why?) but other than that there's nothing really wrong with it.

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  It's Trump.  He lives inside all political operatives heads and the Georgia GOP is rewarding bad behavior.  The bill has everything to do with Trump saying the results in Georgia were rigged in various ways (my favorite through one of his lawyers saying that communists throughout the world rigged the voting machines through an algorithm).  The immense push back has everything to do with Trump refusing to accept the results.  I think it would be naive to think otherwise as the GOP was put under a microscope after the election.  As far as the bill itself, I don't like that they took away the drop boxes (why?) but other than that there's nothing really wrong with it.

I don’t like the legislature being able to potentially disenfranchise voters by overruling county officials.

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I don’t like the legislature being able to potentially disenfranchise voters by overruling county officials.

 

That's the part the GQP here won't comment on...

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I don’t like the legislature being able to potentially disenfranchise voters by overruling county officials.

I read the whole bill and the hoops that are needed to jump through to make that happen make it highly unlikely.  

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I read the whole bill and the hoops that are needed to jump through to make that happen make it highly unlikely.  

I hope so.  But there’s a reason that provision was put in.  Same for taking overall responsibility from the Secretary of State.  Bottom line is they made a law to address a non-existent issue.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I hope so.  But there’s a reason that provision was put in.  Same for taking overall responsibility from the Secretary of State.  Bottom line is they made a law to address a non-existent issue.

I’m sure the average Georgian sits around just wondering what well-meaning non-Georgians worry about on their behalf, and the counsel they can offer. 
🙄
 

 

[B-Man]

 

[BillStime]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I read the whole bill and the hoops that are needed to jump through to make that happen make it highly unlikely.  

 

Laughable.... These "hoops" are designed nicely for the GQP legislature to jump through as the new bill gives legislators majority power over the agency thus removing the last line of defense at the county level.

 

No more checks and balances in the process to find those 11,000 votes and you know it.

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I hope so.  But there’s a reason that provision was put in.  Same for taking overall responsibility from the Secretary of State.  Bottom line is they made a law to address a non-existent issue.

Incompetent supervisors led to long lines and other problems like not providing absentee voting requests.  They should be subject to being replaced if they can't competently do their job.

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Laughable.... These "hoops" are designed nicely for the GQP legislature to jump through as the new bill gives legislators majority power over the agency thus removing the last line of defense at the county level.

 

No more checks and balances in the process to find those 11,000 votes and you know it.

Trump asked them to find the votes and they refused so maybe they have more integrity than you blindly assume they lack.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Doc Brown

[BillStime]

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Incompetent supervisors led to long lines and other problems like not providing absentee voting requests.  They should be subject to being replaced if they can't competently do their job.

 

Trump asked them to find the votes and they refused so maybe they have more integrity than you blindly assume they don't.

 

Incompetent supervisors? Here we go again - more bullshittt.  The GQP removed over 200 voting sites the past few years and long lines (4-9 hours) developed as a result.  How many voting sites were reactivated in the new law? ZERO.

 

The Secretary of State in Georgia lost his powers in this new bill because he did his job and didn't let political pressure and temptation manufacturer those 11,000 votes.

 

RETALIATION.

 

GQP can't win without cheating...

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by BillStime

[Boatdrinks]

53 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  It's Trump.  He lives inside all political operatives heads and the Georgia GOP is rewarding bad behavior.  The bill has everything to do with Trump saying the results in Georgia were rigged in various ways (my favorite through one of his lawyers saying that communists throughout the world rigged the voting machines through an algorithm).  The immense push back has everything to do with Trump refusing to accept the results.  I think it would be naive to think otherwise as the GOP was put under a microscope after the election.  As far as the bill itself, I don't like that they took away the drop boxes (why?) but other than that there's nothing really wrong with it.

They took away drop boxes because they were the vehicle for the fraudulent paper ballots cranked out by Democratic Party leading up to the election. They were an unnecessary concession to Dems with the excuse being the pandemic made voting in person “ unsafe” lol. When you consider that about 40k votes ( likely unverified paper ballots) in Georgia and Wisconsin put the lunatic fringe left in power, it’s understandable that election security is a huge issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was at least attempted electronic manipulation by the Democrat party, but I’m certain that tens of thousands of illegitimate paper ballots were counted for Biden. The scheme was obvious as Democrat Governors were very early to implement mass mailing of unrequested ballots , and then backed legal maneuvers to remove all verification and checks on paper ballots. Then the media blitz afterward calling the fraud the “ big lie”. Though they were stunned that 70+ million voters didn’t fall for it and voted for Trump ( mostly in person) , they quickly chalked it up to unprecedented “ turnout”. In reality, it was unprecedented manipulation of many States voting systems and unheard of amounts of phony ballots being counted as they couldn’t be verified. Unsurprisingly, the Dems now want unconstitutional federal takeover of elections and to permanently allow ballot stuffing through mass unverified paper ballots. They hate America, hate the Constitution and hate people that work hard. They now pander exclusively to illegals, criminals, and woke Caucasians that hate themselves and wish they lived in socialist countries. 

[Doc Brown]

23 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Incompetent supervisors? Here we go again - more bullshittt.  The GQP removed over 200 voting sites the past year years and long lines (4-9 hours) developed as a result.  How many voting sites were reactivated in the new law? ZERO.

 

The Secretary of State in Georgia lost his powers in this new bill because he did his job and didn't let political pressure and temptation manufacturer those 11,000 votes.

 

RETALIATION.

 

GQP can't win without cheating...

 

You do realize how conspiratorial that sounds and you're basically the pot calling the kettle black.  Same thing with @Boatdrinks insane post.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Doc Brown

[BillStime]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

You do realize how conspiratorial that sounds and you're basically the pot calling the kettle black.  Same thing with @Boatdrinks insane post.

It’s conspiratorial because your sugar coated sources didn’t tell you that the Georgia GQP closed over 200 voting sites?

 

Are you afraid to look it up?

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You do realize how conspiratorial that sounds and you're basically the pot calling the kettle black.  Same thing with @Boatdrinks insane post.

Insane? That’s the world of the Dems. The truth is now “ insane” or conspiratorial , facts are racist, women are men and men are women, illegals flooding in immediately after the borders are opened by Biden is Trump’s fault , removing the vehicles of cheating from elections is Jim Crow, destroying entire states economies due to a virus that is fatal to a half percent or less of the population is “ following the science”, infrastructure is defined as anything you want it to be etc etc.  Insanity is believing the Dems and the media propaganda when the obvious is smacking you in the face. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, BillStime said:

It’s conspiratorial because your sugar coated sources didn’t tell you that the Georgia GQP closed over 200 voting sites?

 

Are you afraid to look it up?

I did and googled "Georgia GQP" said "did you mean Georgia GDP" so I didn't bother.

 

The new bill gives election officials the option to add staff and voting machines if a line lasts for more than an hour if it makes you feel any better.

[Boatdrinks]

50 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 

Trump asked them to find the votes and they refused so maybe they have more integrity than you blindly assume they lack.

 

That quote was already proven to be a lie , but again once the media repeats their propaganda often enough it becomes accepted as truth. They retract months later when the damage is done and the retraction is easily forgotten. 

[BillStime]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

I did and googled "Georgia GQP" said "did you mean Georgia GDP" so I didn't bother.

 

The new bill gives election officials the option to add staff and voting machines if a line lasts for more than an hour if it makes you feel any better.

 

Awe, how cute. They added provision to add a machine or two on the fly... that will really help with the over 200 closed sites across the state - lovely. 

 

Meanwhile:

 

Voting precincts closed across Georgia since election oversight lifted

• Election officials have closed 214 precincts in Georgia over the last six years, many of them in rural, poor and minority communities.

 

Southern U.S. states have closed 1,200 polling places in recent years

• Georgia closed roughly 1 in 20 polling locations

Supreme Court ruling caused mass polling place closures across Southern USA

• The accelerated closures left seven counties in Georgia with just one polling place to serve hundreds of square miles
• After the law, which targeted communities with a history of voter discrimination, was struck down, Texas saw 750 polling locations closed, Arizona lost 320, and Georgia shut down 214

Why Georgia Has Slashed Hundreds of Polling Places in the Last 4 Years

 

 

8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

That quote was already proven to be a lie , but again once the media repeats their propaganda often enough it becomes accepted as truth. They retract months later when the damage is done and the retraction is easily forgotten. 

 

No, don't conflate the issue and who Trump was talking with at the time.  There is audio pressuring the Secretary of State to find those 11,000 votes.

 

"I just want to find 11,780 votes - which is one more than we have - because we won the state"

 

 

[BillStime]

43 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

They took away drop boxes because they were the vehicle for the fraudulent paper ballots cranked out by Democratic Party leading up to the election. They were an unnecessary concession to Dems with the excuse being the pandemic made voting in person “ unsafe” lol. When you consider that about 40k votes ( likely unverified paper ballots) in Georgia and Wisconsin put the lunatic fringe left in power, it’s understandable that election security is a huge issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was at least attempted electronic manipulation by the Democrat party, but I’m certain that tens of thousands of illegitimate paper ballots were counted for Biden. The scheme was obvious as Democrat Governors were very early to implement mass mailing of unrequested ballots , and then backed legal maneuvers to remove all verification and checks on paper ballots. Then the media blitz afterward calling the fraud the “ big lie”. Though they were stunned that 70+ million voters didn’t fall for it and voted for Trump ( mostly in person) , they quickly chalked it up to unprecedented “ turnout”. In reality, it was unprecedented manipulation of many States voting systems and unheard of amounts of phony ballots being counted as they couldn’t be verified. Unsurprisingly, the Dems now want unconstitutional federal takeover of elections and to permanently allow ballot stuffing through mass unverified paper ballots. They hate America, hate the Constitution and hate people that work hard. They now pander exclusively to illegals, criminals, and woke Caucasians that hate themselves and wish they lived in socialist countries. 

 

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[Doc Brown]

18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

That quote was already proven to be a lie , but again once the media repeats their propaganda often enough it becomes accepted as truth. They retract months later when the damage is done and the retraction is easily forgotten. 

They recorded the phone call.  What retraction?  Jesus.

[BillStime]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

They recorded the phone call.  What retraction?  Jesus.

He is referring to Trumps call with Frances Watson, the lead investigator in Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's office.

 

On December 23 Trump encouraged her to look for voter fraud in specific counties, telling her "when the right answer comes out, you'll be praised." 
 

The Post put out a correction but the truth is - Trump shouldn’t be calling any election official pressuring them to do anything. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washington-post-correction-trump-call-georgia-investigator/%3foutputType=amp

 

[Tiberius]

Quote

 

More than 100 chief executives and corporate leaders gathered online Saturday to discuss taking new action to combat the controversial state voting bills being considered across the country, including the one recently signed into law in Georgia.

Executives from major airlines, retailers and manufacturers — plus at least one NFL owner — talked about potential ways to show they opposed the controversial legislation, including by halting donations to politicians who support the bills and even delaying investments in states that pass the restrictive measures, according to four people who were on the call, including one of the organizers, Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a Yale management professor.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/04/11/companies-voting-bills-states/

[Doc Brown]

25 minutes ago, BillStime said:

He is referring to Trumps call with Frances Watson, the lead investigator in Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's office.

 

On December 23 Trump encouraged her to look for voter fraud in specific counties, telling her "when the right answer comes out, you'll be praised." 
 

The Post put out a correction but the truth is - Trump shouldn’t be calling any election official pressuring them to do anything. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washington-post-correction-trump-call-georgia-investigator/%3foutputType=amp

 

I was talking about this leaked tape by Georgia's SOS and the statement Trump makes at the 38:18 mark.

 

 

[Buffarukus]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  It's Trump.  He lives inside all political operatives heads and the Georgia GOP is rewarding bad behavior.  The bill has everything to do with Trump saying the results in Georgia were rigged in various ways (my favorite through one of his lawyers saying that communists throughout the world rigged the voting machines through an algorithm).  The immense push back has everything to do with Trump refusing to accept the results.  I think it would be naive to think otherwise as the GOP was put under a microscope after the election.  As far as the bill itself, I don't like that they took away the drop boxes (why?) but other than that there's nothing really wrong with it.

 

that could be the case for many but you cant just write off the factors i stated. there are historic, never seen before numbers of illegal aliens pouring into this country and democrats dont seem to mind..period. certain states say yes please come we will protect you..promoting it further. regardless of trump i promise regular people want secure elections due to this..it has zero to do with trump or software.

 

im glad your rational enough to not fall for the full on board propaganda "on steriods and such". but both sides have their zealots and that will never change.

 

if you have a problem with the drop boxes #'s. thats perfectly fine. i heard you can vote absentee no questions asked. thats basically a solution to any dropbox issue but it requires standards to be secure. if you, the democrats or anyone in community think the standards are restrictive or too high there is NOTHING stopping anyone from having campaign drives, fundraisers or outreach programs to help those achieve the standards such as IDs. instead there are threats, corporate interventions and inflated toxic accusations. this is from the self proclaimed, great uniter.

 

you can litterally start right now. why is the solution always lower expectations and lower standards. instead of lets raise up communities to achieve them. dont have a id lets get you one and now you can also use it from other things your "restricted" from.

 

this would be different if the hurdles were completely unreasonable asks. you can't look at the bill honestly and say that's true.  

without any bias involved i want secure elections..and could care less if trump anywhere near them. i want a standard that cannot be argued over and litigated EVERY 4 years...and yes the democrats routinely declare voter fraud as well. 2016 russia anyone? so in order for this to end there has to be COMPROMISE. maybe the republicans need to sit back at the table to fine tune things, but that was not in any democrat response. just a overblown overreaction which is all we can ever expect from american politics and the loudest folks on any website.

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Buffarukus

[B-Man]

 

[Chef Jim]

And BTW those bitching about Drop Boxes?  You do realize there a ***** loads of "drop boxes" for people to drop off their ballots right?  They are more commonly known as mailboxes and there are 327 in ATL.   So to those of you calling this Bill racist or Jim Crow on steroids?  Stop inventing boogeymen.  

 

https://mailboxlocate.com/states/GA/cities/ATLANTA

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

 

#RESIST: ‘Keep Your Hands Off Our Elections,’ Arizona State Lawmaker Tells HR 1 Backers.

 

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/04/15/keep-your-hands-off-our-elections-arizona-state-lawmaker-tells-hr-1-backers/

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Suppression or INTEGRITY: 

 

General Assembly Considering ‘Tennessee Election Integrity Act’ to Regulate Outside Funding for Election Officials, Require Official Watermarking for Absentee Ballots.

 

https://tennesseestar.com/2021/04/14/general-assembly-considering-tennessee-election-integrity-act-to-regulate-outside-funding-for-election-officials-require-official-watermarking-for-absentee-ballots/

[BillStime]

 

[Unforgiven]

lol...'we the people'...about to become fully segregated again....riiiiight

 

/end post

[BillStime]

GOPigs just asking for H.R. 1

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

It's true.

 

There is no way that Native Americans or students could register to vote in any of the 12 months prior.

 

They aren't smart enough. Thats what democrats have taught us.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

The arms race for democrats to federalize and control future outcomes, vs republicans to obstruct vote harvesting to control future outcomes rages under the false narrative of racism vs fraud. 

[BillStime]

13 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The arms race for democrats to federalize and control future outcomes, vs republicans to obstruct vote harvesting to control future outcomes rages under the false narrative of racism vs fraud. 

Minority rules bro - it’s the American way!!

 

PS - you are delusional if you think the GOPigs are trying to just curb harvesting - they are baking in ways to find those 11,000 votes.

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

51 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Minority rules bro - it’s the American way!!

 

PS - you are delusional if you think the GOPigs are trying to just curb harvesting - they are baking in ways to find those 11,000 votes.

 

 

 

 

The Republic was set up to avoid the tyranny of the majority. balance of power is the only way to keep your loony party and it’s opponent from doing whatever they want and rigging the system for control. 
 

 

PS harvesting is the democratic way bro. The Blue wave was crafted from the welfare rolls and the homeless and pandemic mail in policy. Knocking on doors collecting signatures on preprinted ballots. Why else would they be pissing and whining about IDs, Dropboxes and signatures. Lazy loves some democratic redistribution man!!! Republicans are stuck in the Stone Age on social issues, but they get off their ass to do things they consider important. 
 

you seriously can’t be this naive. 

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

The Republic was set up to avoid the tyranny of the majority. balance of power is the only way to keep your loony party and it’s opponent from doing whatever they want and rigging the system for control. 
 

 

PS harvesting is the democratic way bro. The Blue wave was crafted from the welfare rolls and the homeless and pandemic mail in policy. Knocking on doors collecting signatures on preprinted ballots. Why else would they be pissing and whining about IDs, Dropboxes and signatures. Lazy loves some democratic redistribution man!!! Republicans are stuck in the Stone Age on social issues, but they get off their ass to do things they consider important. 
 

you seriously can’t be this naive. 

You don’t think all Americans should have the right to vote? Welfare and homeless don’t qualify?

 

Amazing we have a political party that is so out of touch w the electorate they would rather limit voting than adapt their antiquated platform.

 

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

You don’t think all Americans should have the right to vote? Welfare and homeless don’t qualify?

 

Amazing we have a political party that is so out of touch w the electorate they would rather limit voting than adapt their antiquated platform.

 

 

 

 

I didn’t assert any such opinion. I’m just trying to help you understand the motives of the two cults. It’s all about winning elections. That’s all any of this is about.