Big Turk Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Level 1 players: Taron Johnson Devin Singletary Dawson Knox Zack Moss Tyler Bass Level 2 players: Gabriel Davis No level 3 players. This basically rewards players drafted in the 3rd round or below for performance above expectations and allows them to earn contract escalators to increase their base salaries during their rookie contracts. Full list of players with detailed explanation of how it works is here: https://overthecap.com/proven-performance-escalator/ 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Quote The Level One PPE is earned if a player participates in a certain percentage of a team's offensive or defensive snaps in two of his first three seasons, or averages that percentage of offensive or defensive snaps over his entire first three years. I assume PK are offense since they produce points and P are defense since they are kicking usually on 4th down. Very hard for a ST player to get bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) It’s actually rather funny that we find our two running backs and our tight end on the list. All three are routinely cited as needing to be politely shown to the bench. Edited February 22, 2021 by SoCal Deek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s actually rather funny that we find our two running backs and our tight end on the list. All three are routinely cited as needing to be politely shown to the bench. Yup, just shows how little we the fans understand about how things actually work in pro football, makes me chuckle thinking about certain posts and threads... but that’s just me I guess... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s actually rather funny that we find our two running backs and our tight end on the list. All three are routinely cited as needing to be politely shown to the bench. How polite is it when shown to bench by someone with fork and pitchfork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Yup, just shows how little we the fans understand about how things actually work in pro football, makes me chuckle thinking about certain posts and threads... but that’s just me I guess... It looks like the escalators are strictly based on playing time. Should more accurately be called ‘Playing Time Escalators’ instead of ‘Proven Performance Escalators’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: It looks like the escalators are strictly based on playing time. Should more accurately be called ‘Playing Time Escalators’ instead of ‘Proven Performance Escalators’ But they aren’t... 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s actually rather funny that we find our two running backs and our tight end on the list. All three are routinely cited as needing to be politely shown to the bench. That really did surprise me i would have thought with the year he had Gabe Davis would have been ahead of all 3 of them but who knew ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s actually rather funny that we find our two running backs and our tight end on the list. All three are routinely cited as needing to be politely shown to the bench. You know what's crazy about our running backs? Every single one of them, Singletary, Moss, Yeldon, and Williams averaged over 4 yards per carry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s actually rather funny that we find our two running backs and our tight end on the list. All three are routinely cited as needing to be politely shown to the bench. Based on playing time so regardless of their productivity when they play it still counts the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Did you read it? It’s based on playing time. Not actual results.😅 Hmm, playing time... let me see now... 🤔, playing time is a direct result of what?..., hmm, ah, yes, results... So by your reckoning it then appears those lowly good for nuthin bench/ cut worthy players showed no results to those who decide who gets playing time..., yah that’s it, that’s how it works in the NFL. “Results” of all kinds, do not take shape in a vacuum. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Level 1 players: Taron Johnson Devin Singletary Dawson Knox Zack Moss Tyler Bass Level 2 players: Gabriel Davis No level 3 players. This basically rewards players drafted in the 3rd round or below for performance above expectations and allows them to earn contract escalators to increase their base salaries during their rookie contracts. Full list of players with detailed explanation of how it works is here: https://overthecap.com/proven-performance-escalator/ Just a little clarifying note that this applies to a player's 4th year, based on their performance during the previous 3 seasons. So Taron Johnson will see his salary bump up next season (his 4th) for sure. The other 5 players are just on track so far. For example, Dawson Knox is currently averaging 52.4% of the offensive snaps, but that's based on 60% his rookie season and 44.8% this past season. If his snaps fall again in 2021, NopeNope. PS in the link provided, it just says "not drafted in the first round", so apparently a 2nd round guy would qualify 40 minutes ago, T master said: That really did surprise me i would have thought with the year he had Gabe Davis would have been ahead of all 3 of them but who knew ?? He is ahead of them. Level 1 is the lowest level, level 3 is the highest. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just a little clarifying note that this applies to a player's 4th year, based on their performance during the previous 3 seasons. So Taron Johnson will see his salary bump up next season (his 4th) for sure. The other 5 players are just on track so far. For example, Dawson Knox is currently averaging 52.4% of the offensive snaps, but that's based on 60% his rookie season and 44.8% this past season. If his snaps fall again in 2021, NopeNope. PS in the link provided, it just says "not drafted in the first round", so apparently a 2nd round guy would qualify He is ahead of them. Level 1 is the lowest level, level 3 is the highest. Oh got you i thought level 1 was the highest . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: My point is just because these guys played a lot doesn’t mean they are any good. Singletary and Moss are solid running backs who do nothing spectacular and lack top end speed which was a strong reason for the running games issues this season. They are good secondary options, they aren’t premier backs, IMO. Ive been arguing that Yeldon is the best back on the team and whenever he got opportunities he played just as good and better than Moss/Singletary. And Knox? That guy is as inconsistent as they come. His competition was Tyler Kroft. 😅No ***** he got a lot of playing time. Do you find it strange fans and media alike are suggesting we need upgrades at both these positions despite these players hitting their PPE’s? Not surprised that talking heads or fans say anything they say, in which they/we are usually wrong, they almost always address everything as if it existed in a vacuum, which makes folk come off as silly and shallow in thought, we all fall prey to this way of thinking from time to time, some more so than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Hmm, playing time... let me see now... 🤔, playing time is a direct result of what?..., hmm, ah, yes, results... So by your reckoning it then appears those lowly good for nuthin bench/ cut worthy players showed no results to those who decide who gets playing time..., yah that’s it, that’s how it works in the NFL. “Results” of all kinds, do not take shape in a vacuum. Go Bills!!! Um yes and no. When there are no other running backs on the roster (Yeldon for whatever reason was in McD doghouse) Singletary and Moss will get playing time. So its a function of performance and lack of competition at the positon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Um yes and no. When there are no other running backs on the roster (Yeldon for whatever reason was in McD doghouse) Singletary and Moss will get playing time. So its a function of performance and lack of competition at the positon. By those who make the decisions it is only yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Well, pope is a reflection of either performance or crap opposing talent, or injuries. It makes a great deal of sense the lower drafted persons get incentives to play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Where offensively did the Bills struggle this year? O line run blocking, all season long, as pointed out by Mr. Beane at the end of the season PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You know what's crazy about our running backs? Every single one of them, Singletary, Moss, Yeldon, and Williams averaged over 4 yards per carry. When you have Josh slinging the rock all over the field, it's hard to stack the box on him, especially when you only get five carries a game Our running back should be popping five yards per carry . There's nothing impressive about them going 4.0 on 6 man boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: When you have Josh slinging the rock all over the field, it's hard to stack the box on him, especially when you only get five carries a game Our running back should be popping five yards per carry . There's nothing impressive about them going 4.0 on 6 man boxes It does show consistency 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: When you have Josh slinging the rock all over the field, it's hard to stack the box on him, especially when you only get five carries a game Our running back should be popping five yards per carry . There's nothing impressive about them going 4.0 on 6 man boxes Our running backs lack explosiveness, but I still believe our lack of production out of the running game was more scheme and mentality than anything else. The Bills just didn't go into many games trying to run the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Our running backs lack explosiveness, but I still believe our lack of production out of the running game was more scheme and mentality than anything else. The Bills just didn't go into many games trying to run the football. Listen I'm not trying to say we're a good running team we're not. But nobody was stacking up the box this year the way Josh was slinging the pill.. our running backs had six man boxes all day and they couldn't do anything with it Our running backs going over 4 yards per carry is not an accomplishment with how defenses treated us last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: O line run blocking, all season long, as pointed out by Mr. Beane at the end of the season PC. He pointed to multiple factors. He did not blame the OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He pointed to multiple factors. He did not blame the OL. Our running game suffered do to many parts. 1. Our passing game... you pass that well why stop? 2. Play calling...when you run the exact same run, from the exact same formation, running to the exact same spot in one drive and expecting different results (that's the definition of insanity btw lol) 3. RB Talent. I am sorry... Singletary is not a starting RB in this league... he lacks explosiveness cant dropped passes got annoying at critical times of the games. 4. Interior Offensive Line had a horrible time this year in the run game. Paying Singletary more kind of makes me sick at this point. Moss is not far behind. Tyler bass earned a slight raise of pay Johnson played way better Even though Knox improved his drop rate this year he had 2 fumbles as well. Just my thoughts on the running situation and the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s actually rather funny that we find our two running backs and our tight end on the list. All three are routinely cited as needing to be politely shown to the bench. It's actually rather funny to see some put credence to basically a participation trophy list. Just because a player activates a 50-60% snap threshold hardly elevates him to being amazing. Davis, Taron, Bass and Moss had promising seasons. But you simply can't ignore the mediocrity of Knox and Singletary. To call this a performance indicator is a little misleading. I know alot of bad players in the NFL that play 60% of the snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Def played a part... I’m just a little confused how you assume that because these players hit some playtime incentives that some how means they are performing at a high level...... there are other aspects contributing, but they hit the incentives because there weren’t better options behind them, that doesn’t necessarily mean they are good players though.... you realize there’s a difference between the two right? Ah, there it is, I never once said or made inferences that there was high level of play, only that the players results were enough to be rewarded playing time, by those that make the decisions. Other personnel were available, but were not considered, so things stand as they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He pointed to multiple factors. He did not blame the OL. He put the responsibility the O line and the RBs, and in essence the offensive position coaches, and the OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Allen should share responsibility since he had many plays with RPO and almost always choose pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 21 hours ago, Limeaid said: Allen should share responsibility since he had many plays with RPO and almost always choose pass. There is truth in this statement, it is hoped he will grow a wider scope of actions as QB, this being one of those actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 2/22/2021 at 9:45 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: You know what's crazy about our running backs? Every single one of them, Singletary, Moss, Yeldon, and Williams averaged over 4 yards per carry. That's pretty crazy to hear, Ive been neutral in the "RBs good, RBs bad" thing but the way the RBs are talked about here and radio, I would never have guessed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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