The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection

[BillStime]

13 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Bob, where is anyone here saying that people who broke the law shouldn't be prosecuted?

Should Trump run for office again?

[SoCal Deek]

36 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

 

Dont respond to this douche turds WHATABOUTISM.

 

They cant stick to the topic so they spin and spin and spin.

 

 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+whataboutism&oq=define+whataboutism&aqs=chrome..69i57.3279j1j7&client=ms-android-att-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Hey internet tough guy!  My comment was a valid one as part of a discussion Bob from Michigan and I were having...like two adults.  No reason to call anyone a douche.  Geez!  Grow up.

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

 

Well, without naming names, almost all of the folks minimizing the seriousness of the J6 event or denying the intended goal of that event are essentially advocating that we ignore the central players’ guilt in orchestrating the event. They don’t want an investigation in my opinion because they don’t want further accountability 

Have you considered the fact that the committee, at least in part, could be over-dramatizing J6 event and be using the hearings largely as political theater?   

Just now, BillStime said:

Should Trump run for office again?

I sure hope he doesn't.  Anyone that can make normal, decent people become lunatic garbage people really isn't good for this country.  FWIW, Trump tends to bring the worst out in people on both sides of the aisle.  

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Have you considered the fact that the committee, at least in part, could be over-dramatizing J6 event and be using the hearings largely as political theater?   

By interviewing a huge number of members of the former Presidents staff and other Republicans? Come on 

[Bob in Mich]

6 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Have you considered the fact that the committee, at least in part, could be over-dramatizing J6 event and be using the hearings largely as political theater?   

Certainly some part of the hearings are done as political theater.  I don’t believe though that the hearings have convinced me that Jan6 was an attempt to overturn the election. I have recognized that for a long time

 

Have you any rational explanation for holding the J6 rally on a Wednesday morning other than to disrupt the recognition of electors?

Edited June 13, 2022 by Bob in Mich

[Tiberius]

 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Certainly some part of the hearings are done as political theater.  I don’t believe though that the hearings have convinced me that Jan6 was an attempt to overturn the election. I have recognized that for a long time

 

Have you any rational explanation for holding the J6 rally on a Wednesday morning other than to disrupt the recognition of electors?

The reason's obvious. If you only just want to make a point, you want the rally to be as close as possible to the day that action is being taken (it makes for really bad optics for those under the big dome). The 24 hour news cycle moves fast. If you wait too long afterwards or precede it by too many days....the media circus will have already moved on. And likewise...if you really want to 'overturn an election', you do NOT do this on the day of the recognition of electors.

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

Certainly some part of the hearings are done as political theater.  I don’t believe though that the hearings have convinced me that Jan6 was an attempt to overturn the election. I have recognized that for a long time

 

Have you any rational explanation for holding the J6 rally on a Wednesday morning other than to disrupt the recognition of electors?

I believe that Trump expected the protesters to march to the capital building and protest there.  I think most Americans do.   Do I think he expected it to go any further than just a loud bunch of a-holes protesting? He probably hoped so, but I'd be shocked if he was stupid enough to actually do anything about it.  

[Bob in Mich]

44 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The reason's obvious. If you only just want to make a point, you want the rally to be as close as possible to the day that action is being taken (it makes for really bad optics for those under the big dome). The 24 hour news cycle moves fast. If you wait too long afterwards or precede it by too many days....the media circus will have already moved on. And likewise...if you really want to 'overturn an election', you do NOT do this on the day of the recognition of electors.

Deek, you have provided a possible explanation. I don’t believe it is the actual reason but thanks for the reply

 

in my view Trump engaged in a multi-pronged attempt to invalidate the election in key states to try to stay in office.  In order,  he used court cases, the calls to the state election officials, and the meetings with state legislators all in unsuccessful attempts to overturn the votes.  Jan 6 was a late game effort to push the key state elector decision back to state legislatures

Edited June 13, 2022 by Bob in Mich

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

WHAT IF THEY THREW A SHOW TRIAL AND NOBODY SHOWED? 

 

Even Rachel Maddow Isn’t Drinking the J6 Committee’s Kool-Aid.

 

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/06/13/what-even-rachel-maddow-isnt-drinking-the-j6-committees-kool-aid-n1605087

 

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-msnbc-trump-january-6-812580682948

 

PJ Media?  Really??

[Doc]

So wait, when did Trump tell the people who actually breached the Capitol barricades?  Was it telepathy?  Have they rolled on him?  Did Epps even allege Trump was behind it?

[B-Man]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-msnbc-trump-january-6-812580682948

 

PJ Media?  Really??

 

 

Yes.

 

Matt Margolis is the author of Trumping Obama: How President Trump Saved Us From Barack Obama's Legacy.

 

He is also a columnist for PJ Media. He lives with his family on a vineyard near Buffalo, New York.

 

 

Associated Press ?  Really??

 

 

 

 

[Jauronimo]

32 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I believe that Trump expected the protesters to march to the capital building and protest there.  I think most Americans do.   Do I think he expected it to go any further than just a loud bunch of a-holes protesting? He probably hoped so, but I'd be shocked if he was stupid enough to actually do anything about it.  

J6 was 4 years in the making.  It was the culmination of years of reckless behavior.  From the get go he did everything he could to whip his followers into a frenzy. Lock her up, Fake News, embracing QAnon, and it all came home to roost when he spent weeks preparing his base for a "stolen" election before a single ballot was cast.  

 

I highly doubt Trump planned or orchestrated much of anything on J6 and even if he did I doubt it can be proven.  Hes indirectly responsible and that won't hold up in court.  

 

There is definitely some level of political theater at play and the most serious of charges are unlikely to stick in my opinion.  Examples will be made of a few instigators.  That still doesn't make J6 a non-event, a witch hunt, or a form of political persecution as many are desperately claiming.

[SoCal Deek]

25 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Deek, you have provided a possible explanation. I don’t believe it is the actual reason but thanks for the reply

 

in my view Trump engaged in a multi-pronged attempt to invalidate the election in key states to try to stay in office.  In order,  he used court cases, the calls to the state election officials, and the meetings with state legislators all in unsuccessful attempts to overturn the votes.  Jan 6 was a late game effort to push the key state elector decision back to state legislatures

I don’t disagree. All the more reason to make a final stink on January 6th. I have never agreed with those that entered the Capitol but I’m pretty sure the actual Trump administration was beyond frustrated with how the election ‘went down’…and I don’t blame them.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I don’t disagree. All the more reason to make a final stink on January 6th. I have never agreed with those that entered the Capitol but I’m pretty sure the actual Trump administration was beyond frustrated with how the election ‘went down’…and I don’t blame them.

 

Just like the Dems were with how the 2016 election went down.

[Beach]

59 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Certainly some part of the hearings are done as political theater.  I don’t believe though that the hearings have convinced me that Jan6 was an attempt to overturn the election. I have recognized that for a long time

 

Have you any rational explanation for holding the J6 rally on a Wednesday morning other than to disrupt the recognition of electors?

Trump didnt even organize the rally, Women for Trump did. We decided to go before we even knew Trump would be speaking there.  We went to show support for Trump and have our voices heard that we were not satisfied that more investigation hadn't happened concerning many voting practices. 

 

During the speeches it was mostly like a music festival, just fun an friendly.  During the march it was like a mockery of BLM marches, chants were "who's streets? sesame streets!"  When we arrived to the outside of the Capitol I expected to just hoot and holler, hear a speech, and go home. 

I took a folding chair out of some plastic wrap and sat down.  Within seconds tear gas landed near me.  Someone picked it up and threw it back to the cop who shot it down.  He and his fellow cops ran.  The crowd surged up the outside steps and some started climbing the walls.  I never knew that anyone even made it inside.  I had lost my friends (phones werent working because of the amount of ppl there) and I paced all around the outside until we met back up and we left after being on the grounds for an hour or so.  

 

When I left I felt good about what happened until I got back to the hotel and saw that people had entered the building.  But, my intention of being there was not to disrupt the electors.  

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Just like the Dems were with how the 2016 election went down.

Exactly….but the difference is that the Trump campaign/Republicans hasn’t boycotted the inauguration, created a fake narrative impeachment, torn up the State of the Union, etc. ….to date they’ve just allowed the Biden Administration fall all over themselves unimpeded. 

Edited June 13, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[Bob in Mich]

2 minutes ago, Beach said:

Trump didnt even organize the rally, Women for Trump did. We decided to go before we even knew Trump would be speaking there.  We went to show support for Trump and have our voices heard that we were not satisfied that more investigation hadn't happened concerning many voting practices. 

 

During the speeches it was mostly like a music festival, just fun an friendly.  During the march it was like a mockery of BLM marches, chants were "who's streets? sesame streets!"  When we arrived to the outside of the Capitol I expected to just hoot and holler, hear a speech, and go home. 

I took a folding chair out of some plastic wrap and sat down.  Within seconds tear gas landed near me.  Someone picked it up and threw it back to the cop who shot it down.  He and his fellow cops ran.  The crowd surged up the outside steps and some started climbing the walls.  I never knew that anyone even made it inside.  I had lost my friends (phones werent working because of the amount of ppl there) and I paced all around the outside until we met back up and we left after being on the grounds for an hour or so.  

 

When I left I felt good about what happened until I got back to the hotel and saw that people had entered the building.  But, my intention of being there was not to disrupt the electors.  

Beach, thanks for the personal anecdote.  Protests can be gratifying.  If I had believed that the election was about to be stolen I might have gone out to protest too.

 

The thing is, you need proof.  Nearly every national election has its results determined by state election officials.  This election many Trump supporters here want us to take the word of Trump over the sworn statements of those officials.  If the shoe was on the other foot and today Biden was protesting his loss, would you take his word that he was robbed or would you demand evidence?  

 

I think it obvious the Jan6 date was chosen to allow protesters to delay certification.  I don’t know who first announced that date but it was not just coincidental imo

 

if you watched the first hearing you would have seen that the apparent plan had the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers starting the attack before Trump’s speech was even finished.  These folks had the defined role to disrupt the proceedings and the masses that followed were largely just for cover, again, to my way of thinking.  Beach, you needn’t have intended to disrupt but some protesters at the same event most certainly did

[T master]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

@T master Evil walks with thugs

 

 

 

Here is his own campaign lawyer 

 

 

 

Well any one can be wrong when making allegations it's like you saying that the sitting president now is doing a good job when in fact we all know he's a wing nut & more than likely couldn't run a hot dog stand successfully but he's still there despite all the proof to the contrary . 

 

I for one never thought that he would have the proof to over turn the election but he did & a lot of others thought so that's their prerogative just like what i wrote in the previous sentence when it comes to believing in this POTUS . 

 

 

[Beach]

4 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Beach, thanks for the personal anecdote.  Protests can be gratifying.  If I had believed that the election was about to be stolen I might have gone out to protest too.

 

The thing is, you need proof.  Nearly every national election has its results determined by state election officials.  This election many Trump supporters here want us to take the word of Trump over the sworn statements of those officials.  If the shoe was on the other foot and today Biden was protesting his loss, would you take his word that he was robbed or would you demand evidence?  

 

I think it obvious the Jan6 date was chosen to allow protesters to delay certification.  I don’t know who first announced that date but it was not just coincidental imo

 

if you watched the first hearing you would have seen that the apparent plan had the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers starting the attack before Trump’s speech was even finished.  These folks had the defined role to disrupt the proceedings and the masses that followed were largely just for cover, again, to my way of thinking.  Beach, you needn’t have intended to disrupt but some protesters at the same event most certainly did

i def didnt say the election was stolen.  i dont know.  but there were plenty of discrepancies i thought needed more looking into.  its weird to me that people can say one way or another that it was or wasnt fair, you are really just trusting a news source for that. 

 

Yes, J6 was chosen for a reason but i really dont think it was to break in and stop the electors.  it seems obvious they would just finish up later like they did.  it was a very small portion of people who went in or did any violence, but for some reason we didnt get the "mostly peaceful" tag. 

[BuffaninSarasota]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

Deek, you have provided a possible explanation. I don’t believe it is the actual reason but thanks for the reply

 

in my view Trump engaged in a multi-pronged attempt to invalidate the election in key states to try to stay in office.  In order,  he used court cases, the calls to the state election officials, and the meetings with state legislators all in unsuccessful attempts to overturn the votes.  Jan 6 was a late game effort to push the key state elector decision back to state legislatures

Look at this - a civil conversation between 2 mature adults w/out name calling, cartoonish memes, or idiotic Twitter references - who could ever have imagined this could happen here on PPP ?

 

You two have temporarily restored my faith in humanity....

[Coffeesforclosers]

50 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

There is definitely some level of political theater at play and the most serious of charges are unlikely to stick in my opinion.  Examples will be made of a few instigators.  That still doesn't make J6 a non-event, a witch hunt, or a form of political persecution as many are desperately claiming.

 

Yup, exactly.

[Bob in Mich]

4 minutes ago, Beach said:

i def didnt say the election was stolen.  i dont know.  but there were plenty of discrepancies i thought needed more looking into.  its weird to me that people can say one way or another that it was or wasnt fair, you are really just trusting a news source for that. 

 

Yes, J6 was chosen for a reason but i really dont think it was to break in and stop the electors.  it seems obvious they would just finish up later like they did.  it was a very small portion of people who went in or did any violence, but for some reason we didnt get the "mostly peaceful" tag. 

 

No, election results may be predicted by news networks, but the official, signed-off results come from state election officials.  It is their duty to certify results.  In all of the states that Trump has contested, the election officials have stated that Trump lost in their states.  It is not an unknowable ‘who gonna believe?’ issue.  

[Beach]

3 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

No, election results may be predicted by news networks, but the official, signed-off results come from state election officials.  It is their duty to certify results.  In all of the states that Trump has contested, the election officials have stated that Trump lost in their states.  It is not an unknowable ‘who gonna believe?’ issue.  

yes, i wanted those contested states to be looked into and i say those election officials didnt want to look into it.  the news really didnt want the election questioned, you couldnt even say those words on twitter, facebook or youtube.  its crazy that you cant even question something without being silenced.  i dont claim the election was stolen i only question it.

[Demongyz]

3 minutes ago, Beach said:

yes, i wanted those contested states to be looked into and i say those election officials didnt want to look into it.  the news really didnt want the election questioned, you couldnt even say those words on twitter, facebook or youtube.  its crazy that you cant even question something without being silenced.  i dont claim the election was stolen i only question it.

The only reason I question the election is because you can't question the election.  That makes me wonder.

[Bob in Mich]

1 minute ago, Beach said:

yes, i wanted those contested states to be looked into and i say those election officials didnt want to look into it.  the news really didnt want the election questioned, you couldnt even say those words on twitter, facebook or youtube.  its crazy that you cant even question something without being silenced.  i dont claim the election was stolen i only question it.

There were recounts done in at least 3 of the contested states with Georgia doing more than one recount.  In all cases where the votes were recounted, Biden’s win was confirmed.

 

Do you realize why so many doubt the election results?  The only reason is because they believe Trump’s accusations or those of his toadies.  There has never been any substantial evidence shown, only Trump’s lie.  There is no real doubt about any state results aside from the doubt Trump has planted.  

 

Today’s hearing had extensive footage of Bill Barr testimony.  Watch it to see that he too told Trump there was no widespread fraud that would alter the results.  Still Trump continued with this lie

[BillStime]

15 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

There were recounts done in at least 3 of the contested states with Georgia doing more than one recount.  In all cases where the votes were recounted, Biden’s win was confirmed.

 

Do you realize why so many doubt the election results?  The only reason is because they believe Trump’s accusations or those of his toadies.  There has never been any substantial evidence shown, only Trump’s lie.  There is no real doubt about any state results aside from the doubt Trump has planted.  

 

Today’s hearing had extensive footage of Bill Barr testimony.  Watch it to see that he too told Trump there was no widespread fraud that would alter the results.  Still Trump continued with this lie

This crowd also thought Mexico would pay for the wall.

 

 

[Andy1]

It was interesting to hear the Trump Election Defense Fund never existed. It was just another scam to suck money from his supporters. He sucked $250 million in small donations from his people with the lie. At this point, they should just give him their bank account numbers and passwords to show their support. 

[Beach]

23 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

There were recounts done in at least 3 of the contested states with Georgia doing more than one recount.  In all cases where the votes were recounted, Biden’s win was confirmed.

 

Do you realize why so many doubt the election results?  The only reason is because they believe Trump’s accusations or those of his toadies.  There has never been any substantial evidence shown, only Trump’s lie.  There is no real doubt about any state results aside from the doubt Trump has planted.  

 

Today’s hearing had extensive footage of Bill Barr testimony.  Watch it to see that he too told Trump there was no widespread fraud that would alter the results.  Still Trump continued with this lie

i dont question how many votes there were for Biden.  I question where those votes came from.  Anyway, i didnt come to debate election results, there is no point. I just wanted to tell you what i saw j6.   Biden is president and everything is great.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

30 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

There were recounts done in at least 3 of the contested states with Georgia doing more than one recount.  In all cases where the votes were recounted, Biden’s win was confirmed.

 

Do you realize why so many doubt the election results?  The only reason is because they believe Trump’s accusations or those of his toadies.  There has never been any substantial evidence shown, only Trump’s lie.  There is no real doubt about any state results aside from the doubt Trump has planted.  

 

Today’s hearing had extensive footage of Bill Barr testimony.  Watch it to see that he too told Trump there was no widespread fraud that would alter the results.  Still Trump continued with this lie

Let’s tell the whole story though, because it matters in context. 
 

Barr has also suggested that what was done to Trump, and by extension to the American people who elected him fairly, was “a grave injustice”, “a political dirty trick”, and most recently, “seditious”.   He further suggested the entire sad saga was designed to “hobble” the President and “drive him from office”. 
 

All of the above is true.  So, when supporters of the other side get all worked up because the “seditious” in Washington are trying, and failing, again to tie Trump to the horrible events of 1/6, it falls completely on deaf ears.  Based on the ratings and lack of national interest in this story, it seems it falls in other deaf ears as well. 
 

Put another way, two things can be true, Bob.  It was entirely possible for DJT to appear at a rally for partisan political purposes, on the day he chose (my belief is he chose Wednesday, 1/6 specifically to steal the thunder away from Biden, crank up the next campaign for the next political cycle, and prepare for the next fight).  It’s is also true that pre-planned and/or spontaneous chaos could occur within a few miles of the rally down the road, and that Trump and his inner circle had nothing to do with it. 

As far as I can tell, liberals were ok with the death by paper cut approach to their version of changing the outcome of the prior election, but really uncomfortable with the “Let’s rip the band aid off” approach Trump employed. 

[BillStime]

13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Let’s tell the whole story though, because it matters in context. 
 

Barr has also suggested that what was done to Trump, and by extension to the American people who elected him fairly, was “a grave injustice”, “a political dirty trick”, and most recently, “seditious”.   He further suggested the entire sad saga was designed to “hobble” the President and “drive him from office”. 
 

All of the above is true.  So, when supporters of the other side get all worked up because the “seditious” in Washington are trying, and failing, again to tie Trump to the horrible events of 1/6, it falls completely on deaf ears.  Based on the ratings and lack of national interest in this story, it seems it falls in other deaf ears as well. 
 

Put another way, two things can be true, Bob.  It was entirely possible for DJT to appear at a rally for partisan political purposes, on the day he chose (my belief is he chose Wednesday, 1/6 specifically to steal the thunder away from Biden, crank up the next campaign for the next political cycle, and prepare for the next fight).  It’s is also true that pre-planned and/or spontaneous chaos could occur within a few miles of the rally down the road, and that Trump and his inner circle had nothing to do with it. 

As far as I can tell, liberals were ok with the death by paper cut approach to their version of changing the outcome of the prior election, but really uncomfortable with the “Let’s rip the band aid off” approach Trump employed. 

But Trump colluded w Russia - deal with it 

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

J6 was 4 years in the making.  It was the culmination of years of reckless behavior.  From the get go he did everything he could to whip his followers into a frenzy. Lock her up, Fake News, embracing QAnon, and it all came home to roost when he spent weeks preparing his base for a "stolen" election before a single ballot was cast.  

 

I highly doubt Trump planned or orchestrated much of anything on J6 and even if he did I doubt it can be proven.  Hes indirectly responsible and that won't hold up in court.  

 

There is definitely some level of political theater at play and the most serious of charges are unlikely to stick in my opinion.  Examples will be made of a few instigators.  That still doesn't make J6 a non-event, a witch hunt, or a form of political persecution as many are desperately claiming.

 

I agree that Trump has been riling his people up for years, too.  Since he really started his 1st presidential run, Trump started getting people whipped into a frenzy, and deserves the lion's share of moral responsibility for the Jan 6 event.  Same with his supporters in Washington.  But he's not the only one that has been sowing the seeds of divide.  What do you think happens when Hillary calls Trump supporters deplorables?  Then claims that the guy they voted for stole the election from her in 2016?  And then 2 years of Russia-gate that ended up with Trump getting off? And CNN going full on attack mode for 4 years?  Is a lot of it on Trump?  Absolutely.  Does everyone else own the fires they have stoked themselves? Of course we do.

 

As for Jan 6, it was an event.  It was a large protest that turned into a riot, with many police and civilians being assaulted.  That mass riot turned into a mass trespassing when some of those idiots stormed the capitol.  And by stormed, some scaled walls and knocked downs barricades, doors, and police to do it.  As for the Jan 6 hearings?  I can't see it as anything beyond political theater at this point.  

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

 

I agree that Trump has been riling his people up for years, too.  Since he really started his 1st presidential run, Trump started getting people whipped into a frenzy, and deserves the lion's share of moral responsibility for the Jan 6 event.  Same with his supporters in Washington.  But he's not the only one that has been sowing the seeds of divide.  What do you think happens when Hillary calls Trump supporters deplorables?  Then claims that the guy they voted for stole the election from her in 2016?  And then 2 years of Russia-gate that ended up with Trump getting off? And CNN going full on attack mode for 4 years?  Is a lot of it on Trump?  Absolutely.  Does everyone else own the fires they have stoked themselves? Of course we do.

 

As for Jan 6, it was an event.  It was a large protest that turned into a riot, with many police and civilians being assaulted.  That mass riot turned into a mass trespassing when some of those idiots stormed the capitol.  And by stormed, some scaled walls and knocked downs barricades, doors, and police to do it.  As for the Jan 6 hearings?  I can't see it as anything beyond political theater at this point.  

J6 was an event with what intended result?

[Bob in Mich]

12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Let’s tell the whole story though, because it matters in context. 
 

Barr has also suggested that what was done to Trump, and by extension to the American people who elected him fairly, was “a grave injustice”, “a political dirty trick”, and most recently, “seditious”.   He further suggested the entire sad saga was designed to “hobble” the President and “drive him from office”. 
 

All of the above is true.  So, when supporters of the other side get all worked up because the “seditious” in Washington are trying, and failing, again to tie Trump to the horrible events of 1/6, it falls completely on deaf ears.  Based on the ratings and lack of national interest in this story, it seems it falls in other deaf ears as well. 
 

Put another way, two things can be true, Bob.  It was entirely possible for DJT to appear at a rally for partisan political purposes, on the day he chose (my belief is he chose Wednesday, 1/6 specifically to steal the thunder away from Biden, crank up the next campaign for the next political cycle, and prepare for the next fight).  It’s is also true that pre-planned and/or spontaneous chaos could occur within a few miles of the rally down the road, and that Trump and his inner circle had nothing to do with it. 

As far as I can tell, liberals were ok with the death by paper cut approach to their version of changing the outcome of the prior election, but really uncomfortable with the “Let’s rip the band aid off” approach Trump employed. 

Oh pulease!  I find sometimes folks can’t admit the truth because they are too far dug in for far too long.  I believe your desire to maintain your position has cost you your reasoning skills.  Like I have told you before, you are a nicer guy than most here but you still wear the orange robe of the cult.

 

Trump tried to stay in power when he knew he had lost.  He was trying to disenfranchise millions of Biden voters. Do you recall that conversation with Raffensperger of Georgia?  How in the hell could any American justify that attempt ?  That is at the core of our country.

 

There is no equivalency to legal impeachment proceedings.  Had Trump been convicted, his running mate, Pence would take over.  And quit with the unjust scrutiny angle.  Trump has brought scrutiny on himself

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

Oh pulease!  I find sometimes folks can’t admit the truth because they are too far dug in for far too long.  I believe your desire to maintain your position has cost you your reasoning skills.  Like I have told you before, you are a nicer guy than most here but you still wear the orange robe of the cult.

 

Trump tried to stay in power when he knew he had lost.  He was trying to disenfranchise millions of Biden voters. Do you recall that conversation with Raffensperger of Georgia?  How in the hell could any American justify that attempt ?  That is at the core of our country.

 

There is no equivalency to legal impeachment proceedings.  Had Trump been convicted, his running mate, Pence would take over.  And quit with the unjust scrutiny angle.  Trump has brought scrutiny on himself

Maybe if you drop the cult talk you'll get a more reasonable response, Bob.  Just a thought. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

There were recounts done in at least 3 of the contested states with Georgia doing more than one recount.  In all cases where the votes were recounted, Biden’s win was confirmed.

 

Do you realize why so many doubt the election results?  The only reason is because they believe Trump’s accusations or those of his toadies.  There has never been any substantial evidence shown, only Trump’s lie.  There is no real doubt about any state results aside from the doubt Trump has planted.  

 

Today’s hearing had extensive footage of Bill Barr testimony.  Watch it to see that he too told Trump there was no widespread fraud that would alter the results.  Still Trump continued with this lie

We disagree a bit here. I watched the results that night and there was clearly something amiss. Trump was ahead in a few key states and then the vote tally didn’t move for hours. We finally went to bed. I told the family…watch, and see if it doesn’t switch by morning…and sure enough it did. Now, that doesn’t prove anything but it sure as heck looked like those precincts were waiting to see how many votes they needed to sway the results. Biden supporters can tout some 80 million votes but we all know it comes down to only a few thousand in some cherry picked precincts. Stolen, rigged, or not….the election night optics are what fueled the fire! There’s no argument there.

Edited June 13, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[Andy1]

The J 6th mob was a mix of peaceful protesters, rioters and organized paramilitary Proud Boys and others groups. Those paramilitary traitors were on a mission to stop the certification of the election. They were prepared to take hostages or do worse if needed to accomplish a coup. They weren’t there to hear Trump speak. They were at the Capital before the mob got there. Proud Boys were socializing with Trump associates before J 6th. That ugly day was way more than just a bunch of random protesters who got out of control. 

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Andy1 said:

The J 6th mob was a mix of peaceful protesters, rioters and organized paramilitary Proud Boys and others groups. Those paramilitary traitors were on a mission to stop the certification of the election. They were prepared to take hostages or do worse if needed to accomplish a coup. They weren’t there to hear Trump speak. They were at the Capital before the mob got there. Proud Boys were socializing with Trump associates before J 6th. That ugly day was way more than just a bunch of random protesters who got out of control. 

Why weren't the paramilitary groups armed? If they really planned to overturn the election results, wouldn't it have made sense for them to bring guns?

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Andy1 said:

The J 6th mob was a mix of peaceful protesters, rioters and organized paramilitary Proud Boys and others groups. Those paramilitary traitors were on a mission to stop the certification of the election. They were prepared to take hostages or do worse if needed to accomplish a coup. They weren’t there to hear Trump speak. They were at the Capital before the mob got there. Proud Boys were socializing with Trump associates before J 6th. That ugly day was way more than just a bunch of random protesters who got out of control. 

Sounds exactly like the mostly peaceful protestors who gathered to demonstrate in the preceding summer….no? There are forces at work at both ends of the political spectrum trying to tear this country apart from the inside. I’m not much into conspiracy theories but this looks and smells a lot like an ‘outside’ job.

[Bob in Mich]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

We disagree a bit here. I watched the results that night and there was clearly something amiss. Trump was ahead in a few key states and then the vote tally didn’t move for hours. We finally went to bed. I told the family…watch, and see if it doesn’t switch by morning…and sure enough it did. Now, that doesn’t prove anything but it sure as heck looked like this precincts were waiting to see how many they votes they needed to sway the results. Biden supporters can tout some 80 million votes but we all know it comes down to only a few thousand in some cherry picked precincts. Stolen, rigged, or not….the election night optics are what fueled the fire! There’s no argument there.

Yes, there is argument there. What you are describing, the Red Mirage, was discussed at length in today’s hearing. It is a phenomena that is well known - early returns will favor republicans and when the mail in ballots are counted, the Dems will gain ground.  Trump was warned to expect this to happen.  He deliberately ignored the warning and begun to claim this was suspicious.  It was expected