Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, 716er said: Odds are you won't wait and will fire off this tired trope again and again Maybe doc conspiracy will prove me wrong. Stay tuned. But be prepared to be disappointed (again). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 A staffer for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign instructed Republicans planning to cast electoral college votes for Trump in Georgia despite Joe Biden’s victory to operate in “complete secrecy,” an email obtained by The Washington Post shows. “I must ask for your complete discretion in this process,” wrote Robert Sinners, the campaign’s election operations director for Georgia, the day before the 16 Republicans gathered at the Georgia Capitol to sign certificates declaring themselves duly elected. “Your duties are imperative to ensure the end result — a win in Georgia for President Trump — but will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/06/fake-trump-electors-ga-told-shroud-plans-secrecy-email-shows/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: A staffer for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign instructed Republicans planning to cast electoral college votes for Trump in Georgia despite Joe Biden’s victory to operate in “complete secrecy,” an email obtained by The Washington Post shows. “I must ask for your complete discretion in this process,” wrote Robert Sinners, the campaign’s election operations director for Georgia, the day before the 16 Republicans gathered at the Georgia Capitol to sign certificates declaring themselves duly elected. “Your duties are imperative to ensure the end result — a win in Georgia for President Trump — but will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/06/fake-trump-electors-ga-told-shroud-plans-secrecy-email-shows/ Part of the problem with actually charging some of these people is that a lot of the election crimes require mens rea, which is difficult to prove. Evidence that they were asking everyone to work in secret would help with that (why make it secret if you believe it’s legal?) but is by no means dispositive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Part of the problem with actually charging some of these people is that a lot of the election crimes require mens rea, which is difficult to prove. Evidence that they were asking everyone to work in secret would help with that (why make it secret if you believe it’s legal?) but is by no means dispositive. Even if they can't be stuffed in jail, as they deserve to be, it's important to expose them so we pro-republic, patriotic Americans know what these animals tried and who was behind it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 It’d be so much better if people attempted to overturn the results of an election the old fashioned way: make up false stories about a sitting President, circulate those stories to the media and FBI, and then hold an impeachment trial based on the narrative. 👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’d be so much better if people attempted to overturn the results of an election the old fashioned way: make up false stories about a sitting President, circulate those stories to the media and FBI, and then hold an impeachment trial based on the narrative. 👍 Even if that’s what happened, that would not be overturning an election. It would be influencing the voters before the election. Trying to change the results after the election to nullify the voice of the people is a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Doc said: Have they or the Oath Keepers said that any Republican directed them to do what they did? Or were they, as we've been saying, just a bunch of idiots who acted on their own but were never a real threat to democracy? I'm glad to see they've been downgraded to idiots from near hero, patriot status. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’d be so much better if people attempted to overturn the results of an election the old fashioned way: make up false stories about a sitting President, circulate those stories to the media and FBI, and then hold an impeachment trial based on the narrative. 👍 How dumb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 48 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’d be so much better if people attempted to overturn the results of an election the old fashioned way: make up false stories about a sitting President, circulate those stories to the media and FBI, and then hold an impeachment trial based on the narrative. 👍 Like I said in the other thread, I'm sure most people now wish they had succeeded. 26 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I'm glad to see they've been downgraded to idiots from near hero, patriot status. I won't speak for others but that's how I always viewed the ones who were violent and destructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Like I said in the other thread, I'm sure most people now wish they had succeeded. I won't speak for others but that's how I always viewed the ones who were violent and destructive. How about the bystanders, the people just happy to be part of a mob, the people meandering about the capitol building? You wish a bunch of violent "idiots" had succeeded in overthrowing the republic? Nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 What the January 6 Committee Hearings Won’t Cover By Julie Kelly A sham congressional committee working with a corrupt Justice Department boosted by a dishonest national media can only be expected to create political propaganda. U.S. Representative Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) promises the January 6 Select committee hearings “will tell a story that will blow the roof of the House.” Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) insists the committee’s “job is to tell the truth.” Turncoat Republican Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) claims her fellow committee members will be “focused on facts, not rhetoric, and we will present those facts without exaggeration, no matter what criticism we face.” After a year of unrestrained investigation led by seasoned federal prosecutors who interrogated at least 1,000 witnesses and collected hundreds of thousands of documents including records once considered privileged material, the committee will present its findings to the American people beginning with a much-hyped primetime hearing Thursday night. Their bottom-line task is to convince the public that Trump led a “coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election,” according to a committee tweet last week. To spark interest in the hearing, the committee has hired, at taxpayer expense, a veteran television producer to create a “blockbuster investigative special” featuring clips of the protest and witness interviews. https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/06/what-the-january-6-committee-hearings-wont-cover/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: How about the bystanders, the people just happy to be part of a mob, the people meandering about the capitol building? You wish a bunch of violent "idiots" had succeeded in overthrowing the republic? Nice. LOL! Get yourself together, then we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 And in here as well for the morons who've been played willingly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 As if everyone didn't know already. Democrats Admit the Real Reason for the Sham January 6th Committee The now 17-month-old event continues to stoke the imaginations of journalists and leftwing partisans everywhere, not because they truly believe the threat to the country was real (a few hundred rioters weren’t overthrowing the government), but because they have nothing else to run on going into November’s mid-terms. January 6th is their Hail Mary. It’s all they’ve got left, and without it, Joe Biden’s disasters domestically and internationally stand alone in the consciousness of the American people. The New York Times actually penned a piece admitting as much, noting that the committee is hoping to “recast” the mid-term election. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/06/07/democrats-admit-the-real-reason-for-the-sham-january-6th-committee-n575625 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, Doc said: LOL! Get yourself together, then we'll talk. I am now together. Proceed with trying to talk your way out of your previous statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: And in here as well for the morons who've been played willingly. Because the crime of seditious conspiracy does not require guns? This isn't hard. They are charged with a specific crime. If you want to know what that means, look up the law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384 If you want to play media critic and tell people off for how they cover this stuff, go ahead. I'm probably with you on that. But making up some standard that has no basis in the law and then mocking people for not meeting that arbitrary standard is a pretty weak approach to all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Imagine a world where taking selfies was enough to overthrow a government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: Imagine a world where taking selfies was enough to overthrow a government. Imagine a world where breaking into the Capitol building and assaulting cops is dismissed as "taking selfies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Imagine a world where taking selfies was enough to overthrow a government. Did your terrorist-babe Babbitt die of a selfie wound? 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Imagine a world where breaking into the Capitol building and assaulting cops is dismissed as "taking selfies" Welcome to PPP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I am now together. Proceed with trying to talk your way out of your previous statement. Talk my way out of what? Your histrionics? I called the violent and destructive people "idiots" which means I don't support what they did. But there was never any threat to the Republic or democracy or even any Congress critter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, 716er said: They claim nobody cares about January 6th yet they won't shut the ***** up about trying to discredit it. 😂 Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do wth the Show trials being on prime time in 2 days, and the corresponding uptick in media coverage. This is a "classic case" of 716 reaching Billstime level of illogic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Talk my way out of what? Your histrionics? I called the violent and destructive people "idiots" which means I don't support what they did. But there was never any threat to the Republic or democracy or even any Congress critter. Talk your way out of wishing that violent idiots overturned the results of an election. Your words, Doc. No histrionics needed. These seem like the sentiments of a highly composed individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Talk your way out of wishing that violent idiots overturned the results of an election. Your words, Doc. No histrionics needed. These seem like the sentiments of a highly composed individual. Where did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 We live in the best country in the world and people want to destroy it. And people on this board defend those efforts! Horrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 48 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Imagine a world where breaking into the Capitol building and assaulting cops is dismissed as "taking selfies" Some did break in, some even assaulted cops. Some also were ushered in and took selfies. Seems like both exist in the same world. 23 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Talk your way out of wishing that violent idiots overturned the results of an election. Your words, Doc. No histrionics needed. These seem like the sentiments of a highly composed individual. When did he say that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We live in the best country in the world and people want to destroy it. And people on this board defend those efforts! Horrible Yup. The ones who want to "fundamentally transform" it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Some did break in, some even assaulted cops. Some also were ushered in and took selfies. Seems like both exist in the same world. When did he say that? One page ago. He is sure most people now wish the "non-threat" of the participants of Jan 6 had succeeded. I will give Doc credit and assume that quip was just another "I hate Biden" joke but then again I have seen a number of violent revolution fantasies described in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. The ones who want to "fundamentally transform" it. You mean like how we are different now than in 1790? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 "Unannounced adviser" to Democrats on January 6 committee spiked Epstein story on human trafficking https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2022/06/07/unannounced-adviser-to-dems-on-january-6-committee-spiked-epstein-story-on-human-trafficking-n474515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: One page ago. He is sure most people now wish the "non-threat" of the participants of Jan 6 had succeeded. I will give Doc credit and assume that quip was just another "I hate Biden" joke but then again I have seen a number of violent revolution fantasies described in this forum. It was pretty clearly a joke that you seem to have intentionally assumed was not. Nice of you to give him credit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: It was pretty clearly a joke that you seem to have intentionally assumed was not. Nice of you to give him credit though. It's OK. This whole J6 thing has people pretty emotional. You know, "threat to democracy" and all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: It was pretty clearly a joke that you seem to have intentionally assumed was not. Nice of you to give him credit though. There was more than a little truth behind this joke. The juxtaposition between "there was no threat" and "wish they had succeeded" is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 A 2 hour protest turned riot is not an insurrection. No matter how many times you repeat it. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc said: It's OK. This whole J6 thing has people pretty emotional. You know, "threat to democracy" and all that... Calling posts emotional where no emotion is to be found is truly a last resort. I'm surprised you haven't resorted to "u mad bro" memes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, B-Man said: A 2 hour protest turned riot is not an insurrection. No matter how many times you repeat it. . They literally breached the Capitol building. Broke into the offices of members of Congress. Interrupted the certification of the election. People died. I get it messes with your worldview, but to handwave this away as basically nothing is irresponsible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: They literally breached the Capitol building. Broke into the offices of members of Congress. Interrupted the certification of the election. People died. I get it messes with your worldview, but to handwave this away as basically nothing is irresponsible. And is the commission looking into how they were able to breach the Capitol? No, they are not. That should tell you all you need to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Jauronimo said: There was more than a little truth behind this joke. The juxtaposition between "there was no threat" and "wish they had succeeded" is interesting. The truth was that 2/3 of the country disapprove of the job Joe's been doing. The joke was saying those people probably wish the "insurrection" had worked. 3 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Calling posts emotional where no emotion is to be found is truly a last resort. I'm surprised you haven't resorted to "u mad bro" memes. Hardly a last resort and totally fitting if you buy the "it was an insurrection and democracy was threatened!" claim. If you take the emotion out of it, again, it was some idiots who fought with police and/or broke into the Capitol. Once inside, there were some idiots who destroyed stuff. But it was mostly a bunch of people milling around, taking pictures and getting bored and leaving without killing any Congress people or overturning any election. If it had been planned, there would have been weapons, at least. But the question that needs to be asked is: 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: And is the commission looking into how they were able to breach the Capitol? No, they are not. That should tell you all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Jauronimo said: There was more than a little truth behind this joke. The juxtaposition between "there was no threat" and "wish they had succeeded" is interesting. So he didn't make a joke, which you realized but then accused him of wishing the election was overturned anyway? My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 hours ago, ChiGoose said: They literally breached the Capitol building. Broke into the offices of members of Congress. Interrupted the certification of the election. People died. I get it messes with your worldview, but to handwave this away as basically nothing is irresponsible. Besides the death of Ashli Babbitt who died? I know it messes with your world view but she is the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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