Biden's Foreign Policy Already GettING Results

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

They did. 

After he got busted for asking for a favor. Broke the law. Trump is trash

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

After he got busted for asking for a favor. Broke the law. Trump is trash

 

So why did you say he didn't send them?  Odd

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

So why did you say he didn't send them?  Odd

Because he didn't until he was caught and had to

[Doc]

And Biden didn't give money to Ukraine unless/until they fired Shokin.  Which they did.  They did not, however, investigate Joey and Hunter.  When they absolutely should have.

[Niagara Bill]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

 

Trump seemed to deal with Russia just fine. 

So says he...he loved Putin and sold out others. He also loved North Korea and that went no where Rodman did more.

[Niagara Bill]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

If the US wanted to take over Canada (why, I don't know?), Russia and China also couldn't do a damn thing to stop them.  But it's a worldwide problem, not just the US's.  

For sure Russia has eyes on North Canada,  but first an island in the Baltic belonging to Sweden is next on the list. The last 2 presidents, Obama and trump hurt world solidarity. Putin pushed this, Obama yapped and did nothing, trump hugged him and Putin continues on. Biden is over his head.

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

For sure Russia has eyes on North Canada,  but first an island in the Baltic belonging to Sweden is next on the list. The last 2 presidents, Obama and trump hurt world solidarity. Putin pushed this, Obama yapped and did nothing, trump hugged him and Putin continues on. Biden is over his head.

 

He did nothing under Trump.  Think that was a coincidence?  He merely waited for the next Dem President.

[Niagara Bill]

Just now, Doc said:

 

He did nothing under Trump.  Think that was a coincidence?  He merely waited for the next Dem President.

Some truth to this statement, trump was a wild card that he waited for him to leave is a real possibility.

There will be another Cuban type crisis...with damaged relationships between US and France, Britain, Germany, Canada, Australia, Poland and others getting co-ordinated response will be difficult, and the US people gave no appetite to singularly help Ukraine or Sweden etc

[Doc]

55 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Some truth to this statement, trump was a wild card that he waited for him to leave is a real possibility.

There will be another Cuban type crisis...with damaged relationships between US and France, Britain, Germany, Canada, Australia, Poland and others getting co-ordinated response will be difficult, and the US people gave no appetite to singularly help Ukraine or Sweden etc

 

 

Well the Dems have been running on having someone other than America lead (America last, if you will), so now the chickens are coming home to roost.  We'll see how this policy works.

 

[Albwan]

Speaks for itself.

[Westside]

24 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Speaks for itself.

What a mess!!!

[Niagara Bill]

46 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Speaks for itself.

Germany and France rely on Russian natural gas for heating. 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Germany and France rely on Russian natural gas for heating. 

 

They do now.  Thanks to Joey.  But Trump was the puppet.

[Niagara Bill]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

 

They do now.  Thanks to Joey.  But Trump was the puppet.

True, trump was against it, but after turning on NATO publicly and the French and German leaders they told him to f off. So now Putin has gas power. 😅😅😅

[All_Pro_Bills]

16 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Some truth to this statement, trump was a wild card that he waited for him to leave is a real possibility.

There will be another Cuban type crisis...with damaged relationships between US and France, Britain, Germany, Canada, Australia, Poland and others getting co-ordinated response will be difficult, and the US people gave no appetite to singularly help Ukraine or Sweden etc

Russian intelligence concluded that Trump was unpredictable and therefore dangerous.  It wasn't so much what he would or wouldn't do but rather they couldn't play out the U.S. reaction to their actions with him in charge.  So they hesitated to take any action. 

The Biden administration is very predictable and officials like Blinken are well known.  Under Biden the U.S. will provide assistance but has already shown their hand by stating they will take no direct action or commit combat forces if hostilities break out.  Biden has also taken expulsion from SWIFT off the table.  With the two things Russia fears removed from the equation he's more or less signaled the U.S. will take no actions that Russia has any fear or concern over.

Given this all of the European countries will take no direct action because they assess the U.S. will abandon them and hang them out to dry if there is an escalation.  Also, most countries see economic integration with Russia as beneficial to their long-term interests and a European centric strategy that benefits their interests instead of benefiting the U.S.   

Putin knows all of this.  While the U.S. might welcome a proxy war against Russia that would tie up their forces and distract them from other interests in places like the Middle East I don't understand why anyone thinks Russia has any interest in Ukraine other than protecting their access to the Black Sea and keeping NATO and US forces out of Ukraine and off their border.  Occupying the country is not a goal as it's a financial drain and financial disaster and in need of constant aid from external benefactors.  I see the idea of an invasion as a media talking point and negotiating tactic more than a likely outcome.  The most likely outcome is the situation slowly de-escalates and disappears from the headlines.      

[Niagara Bill]

43 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Russian intelligence concluded that Trump was unpredictable and therefore dangerous.  It wasn't so much what he would or wouldn't do but rather they couldn't play out the U.S. reaction to their actions with him in charge.  So they hesitated to take any action. 

The Biden administration is very predictable and officials like Blinken are well known.  Under Biden the U.S. will provide assistance but has already shown their hand by stating they will take no direct action or commit combat forces if hostilities break out.  Biden has also taken expulsion from SWIFT off the table.  With the two things Russia fears removed from the equation he's more or less signaled the U.S. will take no actions that Russia has any fear or concern over.

Given this all of the European countries will take no direct action because they assess the U.S. will abandon them and hang them out to dry if there is an escalation.  Also, most countries see economic integration with Russia as beneficial to their long-term interests and a European centric strategy that benefits their interests instead of benefiting the U.S.   

Putin knows all of this.  While the U.S. might welcome a proxy war against Russia that would tie up their forces and distract them from other interests in places like the Middle East I don't understand why anyone thinks Russia has any interest in Ukraine other than protecting their access to the Black Sea and keeping NATO and US forces out of Ukraine and off their border.  Occupying the country is not a goal as it's a financial drain and financial disaster and in need of constant aid from external benefactors.  I see the idea of an invasion as a media talking point and negotiating tactic more than a likely outcome.  The most likely outcome is the situation slowly de-escalates and disappears from the headlines.      

I believe they want Ukraine because they are too close to becoming a democracy and a light for more.

Don't see money as concern, Russia has little concern for citizens, many of which work in Russia.

The small island jn the Baltic may be the real push.  One thing for sure, Biden is out of his league, and the US is not prepared. 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

True, trump was against it, but after turning on NATO publicly and the French and German leaders they told him to f off. So now Putin has gas power. 😅😅😅

 

Yup.  Again, thanks to Joey.

[GETTOTHE50]

What a terrible administration. US families are now advised to leave Ukraine as we are now gearing up to defend Ukraine from Russia. 
 

We are going to get the war the corporations and politicians want now. Congrats on voting this dolt in you stupid, stupid libs. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Good Lord.

 

There is no speaking to Biden. You speak to his handlers. That does not fly with world leaders.
 

German chancellor turned down Biden invite to discuss Ukraine crisis - Der Spiegel
 

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz turned down an invite from U.S. President Joe Biden to discuss the Ukraine crisis, German magazine Der Spiegel said on Friday.
 

Scholz did not accept the invitation due to a full schedule, including a trip to Madrid, as well as the desire to show that he was present as Germany grapples with the COVID-19 pandemic, according to Der Spiegel.
 

A government spokesman declined to comment on the report.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-chancellor-turned-down-biden-invite-discuss-ukraine-crisis-der-spiegel-2022-01-21/

 

 

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

What a terrible administration. US families are now advised to leave Ukraine as we are now gearing up to defend Ukraine from Russia. 
 

We are going to get the war the corporations and politicians want now. Congrats on voting this dolt in you stupid, stupid libs. 

 

Except it wasn't just libs.  And those who voted 3rd party wasted their time and have no business complaining about how things are right now.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Doc

[B-Man]

 

 

"results"

 

 

 

Number of Countries we had to evacuate 2016-2020: 0

 

Number of Countries we had to evacuate 2021-2022: 2

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Get ready Ukraine.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Uh oh. We're back to hashtag diplomacy.

 

 

 

 

Yep, the Obama folks are certainly back in charge.

 

 

 

 

 

[Doc]

That's sure to stop Vlad...

[SoCal Deek]

About all that’s left now is for Joe to declare we’re once again… Leading From Behind. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

RESULTS ?

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Yeah, we're really "more respected" around the world now......................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Yeah, we're really "more respected" around the world now......................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

America has lots their balls.  

[Big Blitz]

Can't imagine why all this is happening  

 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Big Blitz

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 1/22/2022 at 9:31 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

Uh oh. We're back to hashtag diplomacy.

 

 

 

 

Yep, the Obama folks are certainly back in charge.

 

 

 

 

 

A lot is being made here about standing with Ukraine, but I’m sure the concern is less “Who is hashtag standing with us in Washington?”, and more “Who will stand with us physically in Ukraine?”.   
 

Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, Biden has already signaled his intent, and trusting his administration for anything beyond hashtag support would be a mistake.  

[SoCal Deek]

OK that’s it! It’s time to send in James Taylor with his guitar. One, two, three…everyone now…”you’ve got a friend”. 😂😂

[Niagara Bill]

On 1/22/2022 at 11:45 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

Good Lord.

 

There is no speaking to Biden. You speak to his handlers. That does not fly with world leaders.
 

German chancellor turned down Biden invite to discuss Ukraine crisis - Der Spiegel
 

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz turned down an invite from U.S. President Joe Biden to discuss the Ukraine crisis, German magazine Der Spiegel said on Friday.
 

Scholz did not accept the invitation due to a full schedule, including a trip to Madrid, as well as the desire to show that he was present as Germany grapples with the COVID-19 pandemic, according to Der Spiegel.
 

A government spokesman declined to comment on the report.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-chancellor-turned-down-biden-invite-discuss-ukraine-crisis-der-spiegel-2022-01-21/

 

 

 

This is about Russia holding Germany hostage with natural gas supply. Germany cannot afford to piss off Putin.

3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

A lot is being made here about standing with Ukraine, but I’m sure the concern is less “Who is hashtag standing with us in Washington?”, and more “Who will stand with us physically in Ukraine?”.   
 

Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, Biden has already signaled his intent, and trusting his administration for anything beyond hashtag support would be a mistake.  

Agree. Much of NATO has already experienced trumps threats and Bidens weakness. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

34 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

This is about Russia holding Germany hostage with natural gas supply. Germany cannot afford to piss off Putin.

Agree. Much of NATO has already experienced trumps threats and Bidens weakness. 

This didn’t happen on Trump’s watch, it is happening on Biden’s watch.  Whether by chance, divine intervention or because Biden is a career politician who talks of minor incursions and is entirely predictable, I cannot say.  However, Biden has been in office a year and it’s certainly not coincidental.  He certainly does not inspire confidence with his confusing take on the situation. 
 

Btw, it would have been interesting to see the handling of these matters in a second term under Trump.  When you remove the concern about being voted out of office, the dynamic changes dramatically.  

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This didn’t happen on Trump’s watch, it is happening on Biden’s watch.  Whether by chance, divine intervention or because Biden is a career politician who talks of minor incursions and is entirely predictable, I cannot say.  However, Biden has been in office a year and it’s certainly not coincidental.  He certainly does not inspire confidence with his confusing take on the situation. 
 

Btw, it would have been interesting to see the handling of these matters in a second term under Trump.  When you remove the concern about being voted out of office, the dynamic changes dramatically.  

To your second point.  Come on man!  This is so obvious. Trump would finally be starting WWIII as everyone predicted. We are so lucky he was defeated. We saved ourselves from WWIII and Covid is no longer raging. Well one out of two ain’t bad even though I’m not so confident about the one. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

To your second point.  Come on man!  This is so obvious. Trump would finally be starting WWIII as everyone predicted. We are so lucky he was defeated. We saved ourselves from WWIII and Covid is no longer raging. Well one out of two ain’t bad even though I’m not so confident about the one. 

We can only hope General Milley will call and tip-off his counterpart at the Kremlin if the U.S. or allied forces decide to take any military action regarding Ukraine.

Edited January 25, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

26 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

To your second point.  Come on man!  This is so obvious. Trump would finally be starting WWIII as everyone predicted. We are so lucky he was defeated. We saved ourselves from WWIII and Covid is no longer raging. Well one out of two ain’t bad even though I’m not so confident about the one. 

Was he defeated?  Lots of folks predicted he would not leave.  Maybe he's still there?  I've never met the man! 

[Niagara Bill]

32 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This didn’t happen on Trump’s watch, it is happening on Biden’s watch.  Whether by chance, divine intervention or because Biden is a career politician who talks of minor incursions and is entirely predictable, I cannot say.  However, Biden has been in office a year and it’s certainly not coincidental.  He certainly does not inspire confidence with his confusing take on the situation. 
 

Btw, it would have been interesting to see the handling of these matters in a second term under Trump.  When you remove the concern about being voted out of office, the dynamic changes dramatically.  

My point on trump was the relationships with the US and NATO had been damaged by trump , publicly ridiculing Euro leaders, publicly loving Putin. They do not trust Biden for a different reason, and likely valid reason.

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Was he defeated?  Lots of folks predicted he would not leave.  Maybe he's still there?  I've never met the man! 

Meet him on the 9th hole, offer him a big Mac and coke for lunch and he will be your friend for life or until he decides not to be. 😁😁😁😁😁

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

My point on trump was the relationships with the US and NATO had been damaged by trump , publicly ridiculing Euro leaders, publicly loving Putin. They do not trust Biden for a different reason, and likely valid reason.

Look Frenchy, you don't see me over here blaming Dudley DooRight for the miscalculations of Justin Trudeau, or actions of foreign aggressors on his watch.   

 

Biden has had nearly 50 years of conspiring/working with NATO allies at the highest level of government.  Billions of dollars have changed hands and fattened wallets over that time, and all I can tell you is:

 

• What is happening now did not happen under Donald Trump;
• What is happening now is happening under a man who's access to power brokers should be unquestioned.  That man is Joe Biden;

If they don't trust him, he earned it all on his own. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

My point on trump was the relationships with the US and NATO had been damaged by trump , publicly ridiculing Euro leaders, publicly loving Putin. They do not trust Biden for a different reason, and likely valid reason.

Meet him on the 9th hole, offer him a big Mac and coke for lunch and he will be your friend for life or until he decides not to be. 😁😁😁😁😁

Trump did what needed to be done and was long overdue being said to our European allies. He neither created the current system where they were not paying their 'fair share'....nor was he willing to continue it. It was long overdue that they were called to task in public!  Their sloth had been going on for decades.