Potential CB #2

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, ClemsonBills said:

We might be able to make solid additions using the bet minimum. These guys want to play for contenders. This is something that is always brought up with certain teams, and we are one of those teams now.

I agree on the general sentiment... probably with some solid-good players . Peterson is past being elite, but i still think he can fetch good $.  Its more likely to be players like Tomlinson and his talent level i think well be able to add from the low salary caps this year.  a few guys like that could really change the team

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I agree on the general sentiment... probably with some solid-good players . Peterson is past being elite, but i still think he can fetch good $.  Its more likely to be players like Tomlinson and his talent level i think well be able to add from the low salary caps this year.  a few guys like that could really change the team

I agree with Tomlinson.  He could very well change the dynamic of our D.  I’d love to land him and maybe Carlos Basham in the draft. Preferably a DT addition + an edge pass rush addition

Edited February 8, 2021 by NewEra

[BillsShredder83]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree with Tomlinson.  He could very well angle the dynamic of our D.  I’d love to land him and maybe Carlos Basham in the draft. Preferably a DT addition + an edge pass rush addition

Romeo Okwara from Det would be a fun pairing with Hughes on the other side too.  I think we need to address DE with FA instead of the draft if possible

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Re-sign Levi Wallace, AND lets not forget about Dane Jackson who looked pretty decent in his rookie season this year. And Taron Johnson made plays as well. I dont think we need to add much there in outside Free Agents.

 

Not interested in over-priced vets who are at the tail end of their career, unless it is a position in the trenches. And even then, I'm only half interested.

 

Our Defensive Backfield is fine how it is. We need help up front.

 

 

Standing pat with Jackson/Wallace/Johnson won't help much.

[appoo]

22 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I think Dane Jackson will win the #2 spot and we'll keep Levi as the Nickel. No expensive vets.

Think Levis lacks the quickness to be a slot corner. I actually think a more interesting plan would be to use Levi as your boundary corner, Dane as your field corner, and Tre as your slot corner.

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Standing pat with Jackson/Wallace/Johnson won't help much.

 

Help what much? The DB unit doesnt need help. The Front 7 does. Improving the Front 7 helps the DBs. Get a pass rush.

 

 

Edited February 8, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[BillsShredder83]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

Think Levis lacks the quickness to be a slot corner. I actually think a more interesting plan would be to use Levi as your boundary corner, Dane as your field corner, and Tre as your slot corner.

hmmmmmmmm i dunno, but thats interesting. im definitely unsure of it, but good post.  could definitely see that happening against certain teams. might be wasteful of tres abilities against other teams

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Standing pat with Jackson/Wallace/Johnson won't help much.

Yeah that’s my thought.....but then you could look at it like it can help our run game or DL, as the resources that we’d be allocating to adding a new corner could be used to hell bolster another area we need to improve.  
 

there’s no one way to become a champion, but improving the pass rush is up there on every teams priority list.

Keys to success imo- 

1- Franchise Qb

2. Elite pass rush

 

bypassing on corner might alllow us to get ngakoue or another impact pass rusher that can improve our pass rush. This is dependent on McBeanes confidence in Dane (and Levi, maybe cam too).  I’m a Dane fan personally and would love to skip on corner this year in order to focus our assets on the pass rush and run game/OL

[Magox]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I suspect Peterson as a free agent is more likely to end up bolstering the secondary of a team that stands in the way of a Bills SB win than ending up in Buffalo.   Quality veteran UFA's who might take a discount to chase rings in KC and Tampa are not good news for Buffalo.   I suspect the Bills will try to get out in front of competing for a ring chasing impact veteran by trading something for them rather than have it become a choice of Mahomes, Brady.......or Allen.   Allen is an elite QB but given the choice you can expect players to believe more in the guys with the rings. 

 

I don't agree with that at all.   This is going to be a year of tons of discounts due to the cap and Buffalo is a hot up and coming team that has a chance at the ring as well.  Plus the reputation of Buffalo and it's culture is another appealing aspect that will help attract Free Agents.    Beane is going to earn his money this year, I'd expect them to be very active and I think when it's all said and done Buffalo will have added a couple well-known players on 1-2 year deals.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah that’s my thought.....but then you could look at it like it can help our run game or DL, as the resources that we’d be allocating to adding a new corner could be used to hell bolster another area we need to improve.  
 

there’s no one way to become a champion, but improving the pass rush is up there on every teams priority list.

Keys to success imo- 

1- Franchise Qb

2. Elite pass rush

 

bypassing on corner might alllow us to get ngakoue or another impact pass rusher that can improve our pass rush. This is dependent on McBeanes confidence in Dane (and Levi, maybe cam too).  I’m a Dane fan personally and would love to skip on corner this year in order to focus our assets on the pass rush and run game/OL

 

You are not wrong there. And not sure that's even "imo" as much as it is proven fact at this point.

 

Whether looking at last nights Super Bowl, or going all the way back to when the Wild Card Giants beat the undefeated Pats in 2008 due to being able to get to Brady with just their 4 DL. It is a MUST to win Championships. And probably the biggest thing we were missing this year.

 

Improve the Front 7, especially on the DL, and our DBs instantly get better. Throw money at the DBs, and our Front 7 still sucks.

[Simon Says]

Due to the expected salary cap reduction, many good players will likely become available ,perhaps at "bargain" prices,at least for the 2021 season.

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You are not wrong there. And not sure that's even "imo" as much as it is proven fact at this point.

 

Whether looking at last nights Super Bowl, or going all the way back to when the Wild Card Giants beat the undefeated Pats in 2008 due to being able to get to Brady with just their 4 DL. It is a MUST to win Championships. And probably the biggest thing we were missing this year.

 

Improve the Front 7, especially on the DL, and our DBs instantly get better. Throw money at the DBs, and our Front 7 still sucks.

Sucks is a strong word. Hughes, Oliver, and both backers are all plus players. Star is going to be another good one. AJE, with a good off season, has potential to be above average. Oliver especially has superstar potential if we ever get him back playing primarily 1T, and he has someone next to him to keep the double/triples off him.

 

This team DID go 13 - 3, and they pretty much destroyed the Ravens & Steelers' OLine. 

[Beast]

Levi Wallace is the perfect #2 CB for the Bills.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

Sucks is a strong word. Hughes, Oliver, and both backers are all plus players. Star is going to be another good one. AJE, with a good off season, has potential to be above average. Oliver especially has superstar potential if we ever get him back playing primarily 1T, and he has someone next to him to keep the double/triples off him.

 

This team DID go 13 - 3, and they pretty much destroyed the Ravens & Steelers' OLine. 

And the team that will be in the way every year laughed at our pass rush and run defense and embarrassed us in 2 games this season.  Yet that team was completely dominated by a 4 man wrecking crew pass rush.

2 minutes ago, Beast said:

Levi Wallace is the perfect #2 CB for the Bills.

The perfect #2 cb for the bills would be someone better and cheaper.  
 

but I do think Levi could be the guy for another year or 2.  I have higher hopes that Dane can take it from him this year.

[BillsShredder83]

27 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Romeo Okwara from Det would be a fun pairing with Hughes on the other side too.  I think we need to address DE with FA instead of the draft if possible

Nevermind Spotrac had him as a FA, and then said hes not.... confusing but looks like he isnt avail. DAMN!

[BornAgainBillsFan]

This is not the time for semi-expensive FAs on the down side of their careers. Norman's gone, draft a CB for depth, and let Dane compete for CB2 with Levi.

 

Dane made plays every time he was allowed in a game. He needs to get a chance at long term success.

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Help what much? The DB unit doesnt need help. The Front 7 does. Improving the Front 7 helps the DBs. Get a pass rush.

 

 

 

Sure it does. 

 

And sure, a pass rush would help  CBs (those are depth guys). But  it would be easier to upgrade at one position (CB) than to retool the front 7.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

I don't agree with that at all.   This is going to be a year of tons of discounts due to the cap and Buffalo is a hot up and coming team that has a chance at the ring as well.  Plus the reputation of Buffalo and it's culture is another appealing aspect that will help attract Free Agents.    Beane is going to earn his money this year, I'd expect them to be very active and I think when it's all said and done Buffalo will have added a couple well-known players on 1-2 year deals.

 

 

I expect them to as well but they might have to make trades to get the guys they really want.......because I think that the other top contenders will have the same idea in mind.    I think KC, Tampa, Green Bay and maybe even the LA Rams will have first dibs on the ring chaser types.   Bills and Ravens likely second tier.   

 

Example:  JJ Watt.  Checks the boxes Beane wants......big and physical and still a solid pass rusher.

 

From Wisconsin,  has been used to living in a warmer climate like Tampa where the GOAT plays,  has lost to Mahomes in the playoffs despite a 24-0 lead and could really set up his next career even more if he were stationed in LA.   You really think the Bills get first dibs on him if he is a free agent willing to take less to get that ring?         

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Sure it does. 

 

And sure, a pass rush would help  CBs (those are depth guys). But  it would be easier to upgrade at one position (CB) than to retool the front 7.

 

Easier, but far less effective overall. If all you are looking for is easy, then go for it. I hope Beane is smarter than that tho.

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, appoo said:

Sucks is a strong word. Hughes, Oliver, and both backers are all plus players. Star is going to be another good one. AJE, with a good off season, has potential to be above average. Oliver especially has superstar potential if we ever get him back playing primarily 1T, and he has someone next to him to keep the double/triples off him.

 

This team DID go 13 - 3, and they pretty much destroyed the Ravens & Steelers' OLine. 

 

 

That might be wishful thinking.  32 year old who hasn't played in over a year and sat around this past season at home.  

[NewEra]

30 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I don't agree with that at all.   This is going to be a year of tons of discounts due to the cap and Buffalo is a hot up and coming team that has a chance at the ring as well.  Plus the reputation of Buffalo and it's culture is another appealing aspect that will help attract Free Agents.    Beane is going to earn his money this year, I'd expect them to be very active and I think when it's all said and done Buffalo will have added a couple well-known players on 1-2 year deals.

While the Bills aren’t  the laughing stock anymore, choosing to live in a cold, dreary, snowy city can be a decision many want no part of making.  I’ve had opportunities to move back east and haven’t seriously considered one of them because I dislike the east coast due to the humidity and local time as a sport junkie. I’m a morning person by nature and I hate the fact many sporting events are on until 12-1am.  LAME.  Not to mention I hate shoveling/snow blowing/ having my daily routine interrupted due to something that falls from the sky.  Many feel the same.  Especially millionaire athletes 

Edited February 8, 2021 by NewEra

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Easier, but far less effective overall. If all you are looking for is easy, then go for it. I hope Beane is smarter than that tho.

 

Well...how's he going to build a better front 7?

[Magox]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I expect them to as well but they might have to make trades to get the guys they really want.......because I think that the other top contenders will have the same idea in mind.    I think KC, Tampa, Green Bay and maybe even the LA Rams will have first dibs on the ring chaser types.   Bills and Ravens likely second tier.   

 

Example:  JJ Watt.  Checks the boxes Beane wants......big and physical and still a solid pass rusher.

 

From Wisconsin,  has been used to living in a warmer climate like Tampa where the GOAT plays,  has lost to Mahomes in the playoffs despite a 24-0 lead and could really set up his next career even more if he were stationed in LA.   You really think the Bills get first dibs on him if he is a free agent willing to take less to get that ring?         

 

It depends who the player is, if it's a younger single guy who likes the limelight then no, but if it's someone who already has a family and wants to be part of the great locker room type team Buffalo has and a shot at the ring who is already financially secure, then yes I could see Buffalo being very appealing.

 

Either way, Buffalo will be a better option than many other places and I expect the pool of FA's to be deep for discounted quality players.

 

 

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

While the Bills are the laughing stock anymore, choosing to live in a cold, dreary, snowy city can be a decision many want no part of making.  I’ve had opportunities to move back east and haven’t seriously considered one of them because I dislike the east coast due to the humidity and local time as a sport junkie. I’m a morning person by nature and I hate the fact many sporting events are on until 12-1am.  LAME.  Not to mention I hate shoveling/snow blowing/ having my daily routine interrupted due to something that falls from the sky.  Many feel the same.  Especially millionaire athletes 

 

We're gonna find out soon enough.   There is a great story to be told for Beane to prospects to join the Bills and I'm sure he will be telling it a lot over the coming months.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Well...how's he going to build a better front 7?

 

Sign and draft better players. Doi.

 

The details are for him to worry about, and why he gets paid the big bucks.

 

He went against my offseason plan from last March, and that didnt work out too well, so hopefully he's learned his lesson. He knows how to find me if he needs advice.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Well...how's he going to build a better front 7?

By using more resources on acquiring a pass rusher and less on a corner

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

Either way, Buffalo will be a better option than many other places and I expect the pool of FA's to be deep for discounted quality players.

 

 

Better than some yes but the ones at the top are super-appealing for a variety of reasons.

 

We'll see about the quality of players.   I don't suspect the pool to be very deep in the Bills 2 most serious areas of need......pass rushers and playmaking TE's.  I think those are going to cost them something more than a discounted deal.

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

By using more resources on acquiring a pass rusher and less on a corner

 

It will take more than 1 guy to beef up the front 7, was my point.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It will take more than 1 guy to beef up the front 7, was my point.

Yeah....which means we will need more resources to bolster the pass rush effectively.
 

The less resources you put into corner means that there will be more resources you can put into pass rush. More into pass rush, less into corner.  

[appoo]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It will take more than 1 guy to beef up the front 7, was my point.

That's sort of what I was disagreeing with.

 

For example, restructure both Hughes and Addison so they only hit at <5M in terms of cap (which is likely what they'd get in the open market), release Morse, Brown and Jefferson, sign a legit EDGE - and you have an excellent 4 man rotation at the EDGE with Hughes, New Signing, AJE, and Addison.  You combine that with an elite 1T in Oliver, a pretty good 3T in Star...and that gets you to pretty close to an elite pass rush, equivalent to that of the Bucs, depending on who you sign as your new EDGE.

 

The Chiefs made the D look bad, but they took advantage of basically a single match-up issue - our DEs vs their tackles. Oliver actually had a pretty good game, and with just one guy like Barrett, that's a VERY different ball game. The Bills have a better back 7 than the Bucs.

[PrimeTime101]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

While the Bills aren’t  the laughing stock anymore, choosing to live in a cold, dreary, snowy city can be a decision many want no part of making.  I’ve had opportunities to move back east and haven’t seriously considered one of them because I dislike the east coast due to the humidity and local time as a sport junkie. I’m a morning person by nature and I hate the fact many sporting events are on until 12-1am.  LAME.  Not to mention I hate shoveling/snow blowing/ having my daily routine interrupted due to something that falls from the sky.  Many feel the same.  Especially millionaire athletes 

I really hate this argument Brown, Diggs, Beasley had no problems choosing what you call a cold, dreary, snowy city.  I love Western NY.

 

They come cause we are an up and rising team

They come because they trust this organization and the process it gives 

They enjoy the best god darn football fans in the NFL.

They come cause we have players in place they trust in.

 

We may have snow but we don't have earthquakes in a regular basis.

We don't have Hurricanes 

We don't have Tornado's on a regular basis

We don't have Wild Fires.

We don't have major flash flooding as bad as many many other cities.

 

Mother nature kicks everyone every where one way or another right in the but.

 

This is yet another horrible narrative 

 

Sorry NewEra I agree with most everything you say ... this post is garbage time and insulting to me

I feel like your mocking our city cause we have cold and snow.. I hate it and everything about this post.

[BillsCuse]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

While the Bills aren’t  the laughing stock anymore, choosing to live in a cold, dreary, snowy city can be a decision many want no part of making.  I’ve had opportunities to move back east and haven’t seriously considered one of them because I dislike the east coast due to the humidity and local time as a sport junkie. I’m a morning person by nature and I hate the fact many sporting events are on until 12-1am.  LAME.  Not to mention I hate shoveling/snow blowing/ having my daily routine interrupted due to something that falls from the sky.  Many feel the same.  Especially millionaire athletes 

They only have to deal with a couple of crappy months in Buffalo and can live wherever they want in the offseason.  Training camp through November isn't that bad.  (And I hate the cold and snow just as much as you)

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, BillsCuse said:

They only have to deal with a couple of crappy months in Buffalo and can live wherever they want in the offseason.  Training camp through November isn't that bad.  (And I hate the cold and snow just as much as you)

Some feel that way.  And there’s there’s some that don’t. 
 

my point was, while we are a destination for FAs based on our culture and talent level, some people just refuse to the join a small

market cold weather city

[MrEpsYtown]

I think they draft a corner at the back end of the first