Brandon Beane end of season press conference 1/27 11am

[Buffalo Junction]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He’s been pretty pedestrian. Hasn’t lived up to the pick at all. He’ll be fighting Boettger and whomever else they bring in at Guard for a starting spot. 

We’re looking at a battle in both guard spots unless they manage to bring in a top FA. My opinion is that Ford could make a solid leap if he can get a full off season in one guard spot or the other. We’ll see how it plays out. 

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Back in da day when Le'Veon Bell was a featured back running for 80-100 ypg, wasn't he said to have a unique, patient running style where he would delay to get to the line of scrimmage and let holes develop?  I believe one pundit christened him "The Great Hesitator".  So if we want "burst to the line", going hard after Bell would not seem like the way to go.

 

What’s lost in their commentary is how good Bell was at manipulating LBers by pressing lanes and setting up blocks while being patient. His ability to get LBers to hesitate helped his linemen. That skill seems gone now, but it was something I look for now in RB prospects. 

[Coach Tuesday]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think too much reading between necessary.  Beane said all the same things about Matt Milano that he said about Jordan Phillips.

 

and yet, in his press conference, he kind of sounded like in retrospect he thought losing Jordan Phillips hurt the team, so....

The most important part of what he said was that Milano himself wants to test the market.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

10 hours ago, TPS said:

Boettger is an RFA, so he will be tendered for sure.

 

According to Spotrac, Morse's cap hit for 2021 is $10.35 mil and his dead cap hit is listed at $5.5, so they'd save almost $5 mil if they release him. 

Some interesting tidbits from Beane related to Morse: he's not going to over-power a DT; he commented on how well they ran the ball against the Pats when Morse was out.  I'm wondering if they think they need someone else who would better anchor the middle?

Morse will be cut. 

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The most important part of what he said was that Milano himself wants to test the market.  

Reading the tea leaves Milano is gone.  

Hopefully they respond by moving Edmunds outside

1 hour ago, ColeB said:

Would that be some players named Jefferson, Butler and Addison?

And Klein and Mantekevich 

[YoloinOhio]

Beane on WGR this am as well 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The most important part of what he said was that Milano himself wants to test the market.  

 

I don't think he said that.  He said "he's earned the right to test the market".  If he said that, can you give me a feeling for when in the hour-+ presser so I can re-listen?

 

In the past, that's Beane's code-word for cases where he senses that the market valuation for a player is higher than the Bills valuation or willingness to pay.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, TPS said:

Boettger is an RFA, so he will be tendered for sure.

 

According to Spotrac, Morse's cap hit for 2021 is $10.35 mil and his dead cap hit is listed at $5.5, so they'd save almost $5 mil if they release him. 

Some interesting tidbits from Beane related to Morse: he's not going to over-power a DT; he commented on how well they ran the ball against the Pats when Morse was out.  I'm wondering if they think they need someone else who would better anchor the middle?

 

Just a comment re: Boettger being an RFA.  The choices a team has when tendering a guy are 1st round, 2nd round, or original round.

When a guy is undrafted, as Boettger was, an original round tender is meaningless as far as draft pick compensation from the signing team. 

 

The difference between an original and 2nd round tender is typically a bit over $1M.

 

Decent explanation here.   If you recall, we had some dilemmas with that a while back.

 

Interestingly when mentioning the OL, Morse, Feliciano and Williams etc  I haven't heard him mention Boettger.

[Coach Tuesday]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think he said that.  He said "he's earned the right to test the market".  If he said that, can you give me a feeling for when in the hour-+ presser so I can re-listen?

 

In the past, that's Beane's code-word for cases where he senses that the market valuation for a player is higher than the Bills valuation or willingness to pay.

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/01/bills-brandon-beane-on-tough-decisions-looming-in-offseason-matt-milanos-future-in-buffalo.html

 

“Matt is a very good player. What a great job he’s done since he came in here to improve from 2017 to now,” Beane said. “We’d love to be able to get Matt back. He knows that. ... The business side matters. He wants to and he’s earned the right to go to free agency and see what his market bears. We’ll do our best to retain him and as many guys as we can. We just don’t even know the numbers yet and what it’s going to be. There’s going to be some tough decisions unfortunately for us. Whether it’s letting guys go on this roster or having to watch guys leave.”

[TPS]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Morse will be cut. 

Reading the tea leaves Milano is gone.  

Hopefully they respond by moving Edmunds outside

And Klein and Mantekevich 

Matekevich isn’t going anywhere.  If anything, they will restructure or extend him.  They value STs, and he was Farwell’s #1 ask last year. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/01/bills-brandon-beane-on-tough-decisions-looming-in-offseason-matt-milanos-future-in-buffalo.html

 

“Matt is a very good player. What a great job he’s done since he came in here to improve from 2017 to now,” Beane said. “We’d love to be able to get Matt back. He knows that. ... The business side matters. He wants to and he’s earned the right to go to free agency and see what his market bears. We’ll do our best to retain him and as many guys as we can. We just don’t even know the numbers yet and what it’s going to be. There’s going to be some tough decisions unfortunately for us. Whether it’s letting guys go on this roster or having to watch guys leave.”

 

Thanks when I heard that section, I associated "he wants to with "we'd love to be able to get Matt back" (ie he wants to be back) but as quoted "he wants to go to free agency" certainly seems like the correct interpretation

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Reading between the lines I think it’s safe to say that Matt Milano is gone. 

 

I think so.  I would personally have to prioritize signing Williams and keeping Feliciano over keeping Milano 😪

 

On the other hand....maybe some guys will talk to him about the difference between being on the Bills and being on some other teams or part of some organizations that aren't as cohesive and he'll be selective.  There are only a few teams that have cap space plus good culture, then add in a team that would make good use of his physical talents.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 hours ago, TheProcess said:

I hear you, but I guess it’s just preference.  I’d rather cut all those guys, keep Milano, and invest in young dline in the draft. I don’t know that you’re going to find a premier pass rusher in FA. Certainly not one that won’t command a ton of $. I agree they are critical to have. A really good pass rusher that can change a game is something we’ve lacked for a while now, but I’d invest some draft picks in the dline. At least 2 picks on the dline and maybe grab 1-2 decent (but not high priced) guys in FA. Keep Jerry on another year if you can to teach the young cats. 

 

Do you think you'll find a ready-for-prime-time sure thing pass rusher, AND rebuild the DL, in the draft?

 

People like to criticize Beane's drafts for producing "OK" players instead of difference makers, but keep in mind that overall, the success rate in the first 3 rounds of the draft to even produce solid, contributing players is about 30% - higher in the first round, maybe 50%, lower in the third, maybe 20%.  (I promise if I picked an objective criteria that includes 40% overall you would look at it and say HE'S included? and HIM?  and HIM?).  There are all kinds of reasons for that - injuries, loss of motivation once paid, skills that didn't really translate to the NFL as projected.

 

It is not a realistic plan to expect to maintain a good defense whilst cutting or letting 4 starters walk and rebuilding in the draft and with low priced FA.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Beane on WGR this am as well 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey @YoloinOhio, any idea where I could listen to the WGR interview?

[TPS]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hey @YoloinOhio, any idea where I could listen to the WGR interview?

https://www.radio.com/wgr550/sports/bills/beane-goal-is-to-host-afc-championship-game

 

It's an the end of this article--oops! that might be his presser, not the WGR discussion.  They usually post them though

Edited January 28, 2021 by TPS

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hey @YoloinOhio, any idea where I could listen to the WGR interview?

Radio.com app, WGR - latest audio 

[billsherd]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hey @YoloinOhio, any idea where I could listen to the WGR interview?

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cub21ueWNvbnRlbnQuY29tL2QvcGxheWxpc3QvNGI1ZjlkNmQtOTIxNC00OGNiLTg0NTUtYTczMjAwMDM4MTI5L2Q3NmMwNGNkLWUxM2UtNDE2ZC1hMjY5LWFhMDgwMTA5ZGEyOC85YjlmNjY2OS04NWE5LTRiNzAtYmU0ZS1hYTA4MDEwOWRhMzIvcG9kY2FzdC5yc3M&ep=14&episode=N2I1MzFmNzMtZDE1YS00Zjc4LWIwODQtYWNiZTAwZDk0N2Fm

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Radio.com app, WGR - latest audio 

 

37 minutes ago, TPS said:

https://www.radio.com/wgr550/sports/bills/beane-goal-is-to-host-afc-championship-game

 

It's an the end of this article--oops! that might be his presser, not the WGR discussion.  They usually post them though

 

34 minutes ago, billsherd said:

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cub21ueWNvbnRlbnQuY29tL2QvcGxheWxpc3QvNGI1ZjlkNmQtOTIxNC00OGNiLTg0NTUtYTczMjAwMDM4MTI5L2Q3NmMwNGNkLWUxM2UtNDE2ZC1hMjY5LWFhMDgwMTA5ZGEyOC85YjlmNjY2OS04NWE5LTRiNzAtYmU0ZS1hYTA4MDEwOWRhMzIvcG9kY2FzdC5yc3M&ep=14&episode=N2I1MzFmNzMtZDE1YS00Zjc4LWIwODQtYWNiZTAwZDk0N2Fm

 

Not being a local, whose show am I looking for?

I could be wrong but these are like 9 hrs old - is it yesterday's presser, or when in the show (approx) was he on?

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Not being a local, whose show am I looking for?

I could be wrong but these are like 9 hrs old - is it yesterday's presser, or when in the show (approx) was he on?

Click on Howard and Jeremy Show - it’s 1-28 Brandon Beane 

[Dkollidas]

Idk. I know we try to read into this a lot. The only things i really came away with is...

 

1) Expect them to look for a speed rusher in the front-7. Either a DE, or a LB in the Lorenzo role.

2) continued re-tooling of the offensive line.

 

3) Speed added to the offense at RB and WR

 

4) a consistent, veteran TE added. 
 

-I think he is being genuine when he states letting Milano go test the market, because at this point he doesn’t know what the salary cap will be. 

[Estro]

After listening to Beane, my between the line thoughts were as follows:

 

FA's

 

1- Jon Feliciano - They want him back and they'll probably be able to get him back because he's not a break the bank type of FA.

 

2- Matt Milano - I think they really want him back, but they know he's going to be looking for more than what they want to spend.  Beane brought up his availability as a problem, and used the word "good" player on a couple of occasions......I think Beane was posturing a bit, they want him for $11.5-$12M a yr....he probably wants $14-15M.  Can he get it on the open market? In a normal FA yr. I think he could, hut there won't be the same money out there this year.  Thus one really seems like a 50/50 proposition, but I do believe the Bills want him back more than they are publicly willing to admit.  Likely a 3rd round compensatory pick if he leaves.

 

3- Daryl Williams- Got the feeling the Bills won't be buying high on Williams.  They git a great yr out of him, but Beane didn't sound like a guy that wanted to bet on Williams long term.  I think they'd have him back on a team friendly deal, but I think there will be other teams willing to go where the Bills won't be.  Possible 4th/5th compensatory pick in next yrs draft if he leaves.

 

4- Matt Barkley - Beane was very complimentary and thankful toward Barkley and his wife.  Had the sound of a good bye to me.  Pretty sure he won't receive an offer from the Bills unless it's vet min. & I don't think Barkley would play for that.

 

Possible cuts:

 

John Brown - I think hes gone

 

Lee Smith - Gone 

 

V. Butler/Q. Jefferson/M. Addison - I think 1 of these guys is definitely cut, 2 is possible and it wouldn't shock me if all 3 are let go.  Beane admitted that if they knew what the cap was going to be this coming yr. They wouldn't have signed all the DL they did.  That to me is an admission that 1 or 2 of them will have to go.  I'd say Vernon Butler is the most likely to be cut as his game is most similar to Stars (assuming he comes back, which maybe he wont).  I would put Addison as the next most likely l, considering his age (34) and a very so so yr in '20

 

Mitch Morse - This one is tricky.  Cutting him saves them only $2ish M in cap space, but doing so basically admits this was a big whiff of a signing.  They've paid him nothing of $28M over the last 2 yrs., he's only due $7.5M this coming season.  I think he sticks around for 1 more yr. Because the $2M cap savings isn't enough to justify cutting him.

[Dkollidas]

3 minutes ago, Estro said:

After listening to Beane, my between the line thoughts were as follows:

 

FA's

 

1- Jon Feliciano - They want him back and they'll probably be able to get him back because he's not a break the bank type of FA.

 

2- Matt Milano - I think they really want him back, but they know he's going to be looking for more than what they want to spend.  Beane brought up his availability as a problem, and used the word "good" player on a couple of occasions......I think Beane was posturing a bit, they want him for $11.5-$12M a yr....he probably wants $14-15M.  Can he get it on the open market? In a normal FA yr. I think he could, hut there won't be the same money out there this year.  Thus one really seems like a 50/50 proposition, but I do believe the Bills want him back more than they are publicly willing to admit.  Likely a 3rd round compensatory pick if he leaves.

 

3- Daryl Williams- Got the feeling the Bills won't be buying high on Williams.  They git a great yr out of him, but Beane didn't sound like a guy that wanted to bet on Williams long term.  I think they'd have him back on a team friendly deal, but I think there will be other teams willing to go where the Bills won't be.  Possible 4th/5th compensatory pick in next yrs draft if he leaves.

 

4- Matt Barkley - Beane was very complimentary and thankful toward Barkley and his wife.  Had the sound of a good bye to me.  Pretty sure he won't receive an offer from the Bills unless it's vet min. & I don't think Barkley would play for that.

 

Possible cuts:

 

John Brown - I think hes gone

 

Lee Smith - Gone 

 

V. Butler/Q. Jefferson/M. Addison - I think 1 of these guys is definitely cut, 2 is possible and it wouldn't shock me if all 3 are let go.  Beane admitted that if they knew what the cap was going to be this coming yr. They wouldn't have signed all the DL they did.  That to me is an admission that 1 or 2 of them will have to go.  I'd say Vernon Butler is the most likely to be cut as his game is most similar to Stars (assuming he comes back, which maybe he wont).  I would put Addison as the next most likely l, considering his age (34) and a very so so yr in '20

 

Mitch Morse - This one is tricky.  Cutting him saves them only $2ish M in cap space, but doing so basically admits this was a big whiff of a signing.  They've paid him nothing of $28M over the last 2 yrs., he's only due $7.5M this coming season.  I think he sticks around for 1 more yr. Because the $2M cap savings isn't enough to justify cutting him.

I think most of your stuff is correct except Brown. I think they extend him one year, cutting his 2021 cap hit from $9M to about $4M-$5M, and cut him after this year if he doesn’t return to form for a small cap penalty ($1M-$2M). 

He said he didn’t want to call Davis a #2, and Brown would be insurance for that. 

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you think you'll find a ready-for-prime-time sure thing pass rusher, AND rebuild the DL, in the draft?

 

People like to criticize Beane's drafts for producing "OK" players instead of difference makers, but keep in mind that overall, the success rate in the first 3 rounds of the draft to even produce solid, contributing players is about 30% - higher in the first round, maybe 50%, lower in the third, maybe 20%.  (I promise if I picked an objective criteria that includes 40% overall you would look at it and say HE'S included? and HIM?  and HIM?).  There are all kinds of reasons for that - injuries, loss of motivation once paid, skills that didn't really translate to the NFL as projected.

 

It is not a realistic plan to expect to maintain a good defense whilst cutting or letting 4 starters walk and rebuilding in the draft and with low priced FA.

Good Q. I’m not one that focuses too much on criticizing Beane’s drafts. I think he’s done a nice job overall, but there’s no question we need to find a few more impact guys from the collegiate ranks. All of this is a lot easier once you have a franchise QB in place. We do, so you can take a few more gambles on players (healthy, questionable character but elite physical ability, etc.). 
 

With respect to your Q on the Dline, I do think they can replace all those guys in one offseason. Maybe that’s ambitious, but that’s just me. Reason being - I don’t think we’d be replacing 4 starters. If we needed the space for Milano, I’d cut Addison, Butler, and Jefferson (although I wouldn’t hate keeping Jefferson if they could). All 3 combined are less valuable to me than Milano. Addison is the only starter from that group. I’d replace him through the draft with either a first or second round pick and look for some growth out of Epenesa. Butler and Jefferson I’d replace with either lesser deals if they want to restructure, the draft, or reasonable to low cost FA. I’d also circle back around in the middle part of the draft to grab another developmental pass rusher or DT. In that scenario, starting Dline would include:

 

Hughes, Oliver, Star, Epenesa/1st or 2nd rd Rookie Pass Rusher

 

Backups: Johnson, Horrible Harry, FA, Rookie Mid-Round Pick, Zimmer, Mike Love. 
 

If we need to cut one of Star or Hughes this year to make it work, it becomes a bit more tricky, but doable. I think there’s probably a way to do it where you structure Milano’s deal to ramp up after 2021 season when we can keep Hughes and Star another year until we move on in 2022. 
 

In that scenario, I haven’t even gotten to John Brown or Mitch Morse yet where we may need to do something with them to free up money for FAs, Feliciano, Daryl Williams, or Josh’s deal. 

[ColoradoBills]

17 minutes ago, Estro said:

After listening to Beane, my between the line thoughts were as follows:

 

FA's

 

1- Jon Feliciano - They want him back and they'll probably be able to get him back because he's not a break the bank type of FA.

 

2- Matt Milano - I think they really want him back, but they know he's going to be looking for more than what they want to spend.  Beane brought up his availability as a problem, and used the word "good" player on a couple of occasions......I think Beane was posturing a bit, they want him for $11.5-$12M a yr....he probably wants $14-15M.  Can he get it on the open market? In a normal FA yr. I think he could, hut there won't be the same money out there this year.  Thus one really seems like a 50/50 proposition, but I do believe the Bills want him back more than they are publicly willing to admit.  Likely a 3rd round compensatory pick if he leaves.

 

3- Daryl Williams- Got the feeling the Bills won't be buying high on Williams.  They git a great yr out of him, but Beane didn't sound like a guy that wanted to bet on Williams long term.  I think they'd have him back on a team friendly deal, but I think there will be other teams willing to go where the Bills won't be.  Possible 4th/5th compensatory pick in next yrs draft if he leaves.

 

4- Matt Barkley - Beane was very complimentary and thankful toward Barkley and his wife.  Had the sound of a good bye to me.  Pretty sure he won't receive an offer from the Bills unless it's vet min. & I don't think Barkley would play for that.

 

Possible cuts:

 

John Brown - I think hes gone

 

Lee Smith - Gone 

 

V. Butler/Q. Jefferson/M. Addison - I think 1 of these guys is definitely cut, 2 is possible and it wouldn't shock me if all 3 are let go.  Beane admitted that if they knew what the cap was going to be this coming yr. They wouldn't have signed all the DL they did.  That to me is an admission that 1 or 2 of them will have to go.  I'd say Vernon Butler is the most likely to be cut as his game is most similar to Stars (assuming he comes back, which maybe he wont).  I would put Addison as the next most likely l, considering his age (34) and a very so so yr in '20

 

Mitch Morse - This one is tricky.  Cutting him saves them only $2ish M in cap space, but doing so basically admits this was a big whiff of a signing.  They've paid him nothing of $28M over the last 2 yrs., he's only due $7.5M this coming season.  I think he sticks around for 1 more yr. Because the $2M cap savings isn't enough to justify cutting him.

 

I totally agree with all your point Estro but I will correct the Morse numbers.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mitch-morse-16773/

Spotrac has his Cap Savings this year of $4.8M.

Also IF the Bills trade/cut someone like Morse they can designate one player for a post June 1st cut moving some

of that cap into next year.  If they did that with Morse the cap savings would be $7.6M this year.

Beane is only going to do this if he has to IMO.

[krf139]

All GMs kind of use the same lingo, but I do appreciate the candor Beane projects when he speaks. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

Matekevich isn’t going anywhere.  If anything, they will restructure or extend him.  They value STs, and he was Farwell’s #1 ask last year. 

 

Not only that, but Matekevich played 1/4 against Denver and 1/2 against Miami and looked pretty good.  Now I grant that by that time, both those teams were fairly disheartened but 6 tackles and 2 PD in a half ain't shabby.

 

He had a fairly slow 40 time, but he seems to play faster than that to my eye. 

 

It's a little bit hard to tell, and of course Dodson a lot of time on IR with a hamstring injury, but Matekevich may have overtaken him on the depth chart.  At least, Matakevich and Smith were the guys who played when the starters were pulled in Miami while Dodson seems to have backfilled on ST.