T master Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) Although Jerry has been a constant for those here complaining how he's not that good and he's getting old yet he still continues to apply pressure in every game add to it his leadership on the D then given the fact his age and isn't this the last year of his current contract ? 🤔  Do you bring him back next year to continue what he has been doing or do you pull a Belly check and get rid of him to allow your younger players to get more playing time to become a bigger part of the D moving forward ?   I know we still have quite a few games to go this season but the off season will be upon us before we know it and there will be some tough decisions to be made as far as who to keep and who to let go given the loyalty McD and company has had with players such as Kyle , Zo, do you bring Jerry back ?  I think he is a very important piece to this D what he can pass on is priceless to the younger players !! Not to mention his actions speak louder than words .  I would like to see him finish his career as a Bills for one there aren't nearly as many players that spend their career for the most part with 1 team . I know we got Jerry from Indy but the best of his career has happened here and he has given the Bills and the fans all he can when he's on the field so do you bring him back or do you let him walk ???  If this subject has been posted recently my apologies !! Edited November 18, 2020 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 He is not a problem and has made big plays. I would keep him. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Bring him back at a reasonable price. He's the most disruptive player on the D, and has to be accounted for whenever he's out there.  Im not sure that can be said about anyone else on the current unit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Keep 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) Also, Hughes is in eighth season with the Bills, and has never missed a game. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HughJe99.htm Edited November 18, 2020 by dave mcbride 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 There’s been times when I felt he was toast, but he’s proven me wrong, at least lately. Given his current production, I would keep him at a two year deal at a reasonable cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Think we need a youth movement on defense.. I’d keep Epenesa and Daryl Johnson.. Addison, Hughes, Butler and Jefferson I’d move on from.. take that money and extend Daryl Williams and Jon Feliciano.. Trade down in the draft a few times, reload... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Bring him back at a reasonable price. He's the most disruptive player on the D, and has to be accounted for whenever he's out there.  Im not sure that can be said about anyone else on the current unit.  He's under contract for about the same 9.5 million for 2021. I don't see letting the longest tenured player leave when he's been productive this season.  1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I would bring him back without hesitation.  Perhaps the biggest problem with the team this season is the miscalculations they’ve made on both the lines.  They let Phillips and Shaq walk and the replacements haven’t performed even close to their level.   Similarly the on the offensive line, they’ve let Spain walk and then benched Morse and the run game has tanked.   Both our lines have taken a step backwards. No way I would let a consistent player like Hughes leave.  He’s not the best DE in the league but he’s good.  4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, Victory Formation said: Think we need a youth movement on defense.. I’d keep Epenesa and Daryl Johnson.. Addison, Hughes, Butler and Jefferson I’d move on from.. take that money and extend Daryl Williams and Jon Feliciano.. Trade down in the draft a few times, reload...  Are we trying to make the defense bad?  3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, dneveu said:  Are we trying to make the defense bad?  Well.. we’re in cap trouble my friend.. I think Epenesa and Johnson will be solid players for us if given the opportunity.. I also value our OL more so than I do our DL.. Our defense has vastly underperformed and that’s largely to our DL.. Entire defense needs to be reshuffled.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, Dan said: I would bring him back without hesitation.  Perhaps the biggest problem with the team this season is the miscalculations they’ve made on both the lines.  They let Phillips and Shaq walk and the replacements haven’t performed even close to their level.   Similarly the on the offensive line, they’ve let Spain walk and then benched Morse and the run game has tanked.   Both our lines have taken a step backwards. No way I would let a consistent player like Hughes leave.  He’s not the best DE in the league but he’s good.   They played a cupcake schedule last year - I don't think phillips was going to help stop the run (he was always out of position), and Shaq always struggled with scrambling QBs (Buffalo has played - Murray, Mahomes, Tannehill, Wilson, Newton, even fitz).   Spain was not a good run blocker - and they didn't let him walk. He was outplayed and lost his job. Seemed to like what they saw from that group with morse out - but i think he starts out of the bye because they sucked again against zona.   I think the defense as a whole has taken a step backward - but i don't think that its as drastic a step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) I'd like to bring him back, but would need to work a restructure.  Maybe a 2 year extension, get him some more money in the long run, but spread it out and make sure we can cut him at any time.  2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Well.. we’re in cap trouble my friend..  I dont think it's as bad as a few posters make it seem. I need to see some real numbers.   Edited November 18, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 With him cost is the bigger issue than play, he is at the age where he will not be able to be relied on to be good every play. I don't know what he is worth but he still makes plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, Victory Formation said: Well.. we’re in cap trouble my friend.. I think Epenesa and Johnson will be solid players for us if given the opportunity.. I also value our OL more so than I do our DL.. Our defense has vastly underperformed and that’s largely to our DL.. Entire defense needs to be reshuffled..  Are we in cap trouble? We don't even know what the cap is for next year. And if its as low as some suspect, we aren't in nearly as bad a spot as other teams. Also - if cap is super low, free agents will get massively underpaid - especially non-cap casualties since picks will be even more of a premium.  If space is needed - you can release: John Brown - 8ish million savings Butler - almost 7 million savings Smith - 2 1/4 savings  Losing those 3 players would save almost 20 million.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Let him go and that leaves the need to add multiple DE pass rushers. Landing one good one is hard enough.  He’s one of the leaders of this team. It’s a no brainer.  Bring him back 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, dneveu said:  They played a cupcake schedule last year - I don't think phillips was going to help stop the run (he was always out of position), and Shaq always struggled with scrambling QBs (Buffalo has played - Murray, Mahomes, Tannehill, Wilson, Newton, even fitz).   Spain was not a good run blocker - and they didn't let him walk. He was outplayed and lost his job. Seemed to like what they saw from that group with morse out - but i think he starts out of the bye because they sucked again against zona.   I think the defense as a whole has taken a step backward - but i don't think that its as drastic a step. I’ll respectfully disagree.  Yes, the level of competition is a lot tougher this season, but the glaring problem on this team, other than injuries, has been the line play.  Even if we say the level of play is a wash, they’ve lost leadership and perhaps even some chemistry that it’s taking time to regain.   Back to the OP’s question, I wouldn’t make that same mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, dneveu said:  Are we in cap trouble? We don't even know what the cap is for next year. And if its as low as some suspect, we aren't in nearly as bad a spot as other teams.  Exactly.  If the cap drops significantly, it will be a problem for EVERY team. And no way the NFL doesnt come up with some forgiveness program, or changes the rules for an off year.  What are they going to do? Force teams to cut all the high-priced guys and leave them out of work for a year? No. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, dneveu said:  Are we in cap trouble? We don't even know what the cap is for next year. And if its as low as some suspect, we aren't in nearly as bad a spot as other teams. Also - if cap is super low, free agents will get massively underpaid - especially non-cap casualties since picks will be even more of a premium.  If space is needed - you can release: John Brown - 8ish million savings Butler - almost 7 million savings Smith - 2 1/4 savings  Losing those 3 players would save almost 20 million.  Releasing Brown is a bad bad idea.. Our offense is completely different with him out there.. I expect Gabe Davis to make a leap but it’s a bad idea to take away one of Allen’s trusted targets..Think you gut that DL.. The most expensive DL in the NFL and arguably our biggest under performer.. Epenesa will be good, I’m pretty sure about that.. He’ll be an upgrade over Murphy next year.. Daryl Johnson should be a solid rotational piece.. Bills need another quality DE and a solid NT to plug in that DL next to Ed Oliver and Star.. I think if you do that and add a few quality LBs we’ll be ok.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Releasing Brown is a bad bad idea.. Our offense is completely different with him out there.. I expect Gabe Davis to make a leap but it’s a bad idea to take away one of Allen’s trusted targets..Think you gut that DL.. The most expensive DL in the NFL and arguably our biggest under performer.. Epenesa will be good, I’m pretty sure about that.. He’ll be an upgrade over Murphy next year.. Daryl Johnson should be a solid rotational piece.. Bills need another quality DE and a solid NT to plug in that DL next to Ed Oliver and Star.. I think if you do that and add a few quality LBs we’ll be ok..  I'm not saying you need to release brown.  I'm just saying - don't gut an entire unit and elevate young players who haven't earned their time. Murphys already gone, Butler is definitely overpaid. Zimmer is already getting time, and epenesa is/was starting to (not sure on his injury in the cards game).   But hughes? He's legit one of the players playing well on the defense. And while addison hasn't exactly lit it up, he's leading the team in sacks and TFLs. Jeffersons stats are relatively in line with what he's done in his career so far.   You can't just "get young" if it results in getting bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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